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The name of the company was created as a play on the existing phrase "pret a porter", that is, "ready to wear". This seems unlikely to me. The French phrase "prêt-à-manger" already existed in the sense of "ready-to-eat" or "fast food" (it's a separate question whether the French phrase was modelled, in the French language, on an earlier "prêt-à-porter" -- that does seem likely). Can someone can cite something showing that the company itself was consciously named as a play on the second phrase? -- I deleted the assertion for now. -- Kiscica 06:45, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
To me, this article reads like straightforward marketing for Pret. I came to Wikipedia to read something objective and even-handed. There have been criticisms of Pret food - high levels of salt for example - nowhere to be seen here. Pret is expanding rapidly on the McDonalds model; in some areas of central London there are multiple outlets within hundreds of yards of each other; which leads me to wish to find out more about its business practises. Eg its sources and suppliers- any information on these? Does Pret make any fair trade overtures; does it fly ingredients from thousands of miles away, contributing to climate change? What's the real story behind the soft jazz conviviality of the stores' environments? The ambience of the stores seems to me to imply, even if it's never asserted, that Pret has enlightened, responsible policies re the environment and trading practises; is this the case? In an ideal world, I'd like to see some examination of this on Wikipedia. Maybe if I go away and do some research I'll be able to provide it myself.
I really don't think the Open Guide to London exlink is suitable. It's largely free of information, and instead is mostly an unsourced rant. I appreciate that it's a good idea for articles about commercial entities to have some negative comment links, so as to avoid looking like adverts, but I don't think the Open Guide page really does that properly. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 15:18, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
Being a native of central London, I am extremely familiar with Pret a Manger, since there is one (or two or three) on virtually every street in an area with offices, often in view of each other. Despite this somewhat insidious invasion of the London high street, I have been reasonably satisfied with the food and service. Several points at the bottom of this article are rather too subjective for wikipedia I think, but sadly I must agree with the points raised. Now living in New York, I agree that the service at Prets here is appalling, in contrast to that of the London branches. The sandwiches are also of a lower quality, with far less choice, and standard items offered in the UK stores such as Pret crisps (potato chips) are not sold (These are a major attraction of Pret in London for many of my American friends). It's also expensive compared to other lunch places in the city. If these practices are continued and this is how Pret plans to operate in the US, I don't think it will do well at all, and only serves to re-enforce the stereotype of bad, overpriced British food to Americans.
"In January 2001 McDonald's bought a 33% stake in Pret a Manger. McDonald's is often criticised for its high-fat fast food, exploitation of workers and for causing ecological damage."
McDonald's purchase is already mentioned in the article. The criticism corresponds to McDonalds, not Pret A Manger. F15x28 19:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
The sandwiches are made early in the morning and stored in a refrigerator. Some consumers prefer the type of made-to-order sandwiches available from shops like Subway, and from many independent retailers.
Is this really a "criticism"? It's just personal preference. You might as well add "some consumers prefer to eat hamburgers, some like fish and chips, and others prefer to make their own sandwiches at home".
Personally I like the idea of just grabbing a sandwich and running with it, rather than fussing over 1023 different types of bread and fillings. Having said that, I always buy from Greggs rather than the far-too-expensive Pret a Manger. 217.34.39.123 12:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
What does "well-abled" mean in "The staff in the recruitment centre are well-abled people and include lawyers"? I can find no such word. Was "capable" or perhaps "well-off" intended? — Paul G 14:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
After doing a Google search for references, I removed an unsourced assertion that Pret a Manger use trans fats in some of their products. This has been in the article before though, so is there a source? or is it just an urban legend? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petecarney ( talk • contribs) 19:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
What on earth does this sentence mean: "Recent attempts to expand into the Irish market have stalled due to the reluctance of the local baguette aficionado Crip to come on board." What is "Crip" in what way is it a "baguette aficionado" ? Why would it need to "come on board" ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.33.2.82 ( talk) 17:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
This article opens badly and ends appallingly. i think instead of making amendments the person who wrote this should just wipe the board clean and start afresh. If not, I would urge wikipedia to delete this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.120.66 ( talk) 14:29, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
After I finished laughing, I removed the bizarre caveat in the introduction: from "a UK sandwich retailer (its Italian shareholder sold its stake to an investment group)", to the more succinct "a UK sandwich retailer". This sort of rubbish is the bane of Wiki, any mention of a nationality, particularly UK it seems, and we're into a world of bullsh*t. Was Pret really X% an Italian retailer while it had an Italian shareholder? Did the coffee get worse when they sold up. Does it really help explain what Pret is to have a huge caveat about formerly having a foreign shareholder at some point? Tjamesjones ( talk) 19:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I founded it, it's exactly as the French would say it. Jeffrey Hyman.
How is the name pronounced? does it resemble French "prêt à manger" or "Pret a mainger" in English?-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 20:56, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
1998? That's a while ago. Any up to date info?
OK I'm the original founder, how can I validate the original history. Jeffrey Hyman
I've had a go at tidying up this article, but note:
In particular, I see from the talk above some mention of including material on the (un)healthiness of the food, which was not followed-up. A quick Google shows that concern of salt levels (e.g.) has certainly been raised in the UK press at least. However I am not sure if this is notable enough for inclusion in the article … thoughts? Alexbrn 09:40, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Is it true? [2] Anyone live in NYC? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.44.49.32 ( talk) 01:52, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I'm Jeffrey Hyman and I founded the first Pret A Manger. There is absolutely no doubt that my sister Valerie Hyman Coined the term. Probably in our living room. She was a theatrical costumier with a large premises in King Street Covent Garden, it was called The Costume Centre. She also founded The Dance Centre in Floral Street Covent Garden. We are both alive and well. There was no Pret A Manger to my knowledge when we founded the company. There was certainly no company by that name. I also saw the story about the boarded up shop and the £160. I think the £160 is very very unlikely. Would the liquidator have worked for that! Was it borrowed, I don't think so. They bought the whole enterprise out of voluntary liquidation. The liquidator David Ruben remembers the day well, as one of their team fell down an open trap door in the shop. Integius ( talk) 15:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
You can ask me anything about the beginning of Pret A Manger and I will tell you what actually happened. Integius ( talk) 15:17, 21 November 2015 (UTC) Integius ( talk) 15:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Integius ( talk • contribs) 15:09, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
The founders name in the body doesn't match the ones in the side bar? Integius ( talk) 16:49, 16 June 2016 (UTC) I have changed the founder back to me. Jeffrey Hyman. I founded the original Pret A manger in Hamptead. It was founded in 1983 and was called Pret A Manger (Hampstead) Ltd. Sinclair Beecham and Julian Metcalf bought the company and its name out of liquidation. They then developed it to the substantial company it is today. But I think you can only have one "founding moment" and I believe that belongs solely to me. Here is a hyperlink to the company information https://companycheck.co.uk/company/01763373/PRET-A-MANGER-HAMPSTEAD-LIMITED/summary And here is the text on that page. PRET A MANGER (HAMPSTEAD) LIMITED dissolved C/o David Rubin And Co, Pearl Assurance House, 319 Ballards Lane, London, N12 8NA Integius ( talk) 16:49, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
An IP editor changed the founder from Hyman to Julian Metcalfe and Sinclair Beecham.
When I reverted their edit pointing out that Hyman as founder was backed up by a current source in the article they in turn reverted my edits again, without comment.
I have no strong opinion on who founded Pret, and I can't tell if the current source for Hyman meets the criteria as a WP:RS, so I'll just back away from this now. But somebody with more knowledge of the matter may want to look into this. -- Fëanor ( talk) 22:11, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Preserving here by providing this link; pls see edit summary for rationale. K.e.coffman ( talk) 19:23, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm not a fan of "Jeffrey Hyman had literally no more to do with any of this than the man on the moon; he should not be mentioned in the slightest". I am not a fan of "All this was Hyman's work. Beechan and Metcalfe are some minor figures who came along later to slightly build on his work", OK?
Neither is true.
Now, is it not true that all of these statements are true?
If that is true, then Beechan and Metcalfe took something from Hyman's restaurant, even if only the name. Thus, Hyman is worth mentioning. It does not harm the reader to mention him.
At the same time, it looks like Hyman's restaurant was a single outlet that folded after less than two years. Whether Beechan and Metcalfe took anything besides the name -- such as an approach toe menu, or decor, or service, or bookkeeping, or anything else -- is probably impossible to know at this point. Since we can't really know, let's just elide as much of this as we can.
If Beechan and Metcalfe did not want, in any way shape or form, to ever be associated with Hyman's restaurant, they probably should not have bought his assets and used the same name. But they did. And it is too late to change that.
A somewhat similar situation is McDonald's. McDonald's is really Kroc's -- Ray Kroc made the company. But the McDonald brothers did open the first one and came up with the name, and they are properly mentioned in the article.
Also, whatever Pret A Manager Corporation has to say is of zero interest to us. Corporations lie about stuff all the time. Pret A Manger itself is not a reliable source for any statements of fact to be used in this article, except stuff like their address.
I wrote a compromise version and published it. It includes instructions to leave the infobox fields for founder and founding date entry blank, and let's. Let's work from the compromise version, critique away. Or edit it, but let's be careful here, there has been edit warring. Herostratus ( talk) 00:58, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
What is important to note, is that Metcalfe and Beecham did not buy the company from Hyman. The company Hyman "founded" which his cafe traded under went into liquidation and no longer exists. A separate company, founded by metcalfe and beecham bought the just the name from the liquidators.
i think its fair to say that those looking up Pret a Manger on wikipedia are not looking for the cafe which was open for 18 months in the 80's, they are looking for Pret a Manger, the global sandwich giant. This company was founded by Julian Metcalfe and Sinclair Beecham.
Citing Jeffery Hyman as the founder on this page is at best misleading and at worst vandalism. Personally i think there should be a new page made for Pret a Manger (the cafe in Hamsted), in which it would be factually correct for Hyman to be listed as the founder. But seeing as this has already been turned down i think its best to leave the founder section blank. Even though factually, the compnay, Pret a Manger that still trades today, and that this article is clearly about, was founded in 1986 by Julian Metcalfe and Sinclair Beecham.
The distinction is incredibly clear, i hope this has cleared things up for everyone.
Pret a manager didn't even sell sandwiches in boxes until 1989! It was just a shop in victoria that made custom sandwiches "to order" for 2 years before switching to boxes after Marks and Spencer first launched the sandwich box. Perhaps we should credit Hyman with this innovation too? Maybve he founded marks and spencers?
lastly (and thankfully) you cant set up a Pret franchise. Pret rents and manages all stores internally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cos02125 ( talk • contribs) 13:15, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Cos02125 ( talk · contribs) and Dunmore.hi.4 ( talk · contribs) have both just been blocked as sockpuppets.
Not sure if this is worth mentioning in the article: [4] "Fast casual restaurant Pret A Manger closed its stores in Chicago after the unexpected death of co-worker Dante Colloly." Is it reflective of overall company culture, or an isolated local incident? -- Theodore Kloba ( talk) 13:35, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
On Season 4 Ep56 of game show Tenable a contestant claimed to have vandalised this page and that “after three years, it finally got changed back” – a bit of an exaggeration here – the edit he was referring to was added 31 October 2013 and rendered not visible by another edit less than half an hour later. Visibility was accidentally restored 27 November 2014, but it was removed 19 July 2015. As luck would have it he lost. EdwardUK ( talk) 15:26, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) ❯❯❯ Raydann (Talk) 06:55, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Pret a Manger → Pret A Manger – Pret themselves capitalise the 'A' in the middle. E.g. this press release. (Note also the footer on that press release page.) A bit iffy ( talk) 14:23, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
follow the same style as for titles of published works." The cited page refers to WP:Manual of Style/Titles § Capital letters (aka MOS:CT), and I'm pretty sure that what is stated there says Wikipedia would not capitalize the "a" if this were the title of a published work. — BarrelProof ( talk) 20:47, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
I am homeless and have been using Pret on the King's Road in Chelsea all day for the past several weeks I have been occupying myself by doing calligraphy, yesterday the store manager informed me that he had received an email from head office saying I was no longer allowed to do this, this because a customer had made a complaint. Plenty of other customers liked what I do as I don't bother other customers in fact I don't engage into conversation with anyone unless they talk to me first. Customers are always buying me coffee and sandwiches. When I told some people what had happened they then told me that they would boycott Pret, I've asked them not to do this. One person makes a complaint and I get told that I can't carry on and yet I know people who go into Pret every day and use the internal internet and use pret as an office 2A01:4C8:104B:DE9:1:1:5F35:6E11 ( talk) 12:38, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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The name of the company was created as a play on the existing phrase "pret a porter", that is, "ready to wear". This seems unlikely to me. The French phrase "prêt-à-manger" already existed in the sense of "ready-to-eat" or "fast food" (it's a separate question whether the French phrase was modelled, in the French language, on an earlier "prêt-à-porter" -- that does seem likely). Can someone can cite something showing that the company itself was consciously named as a play on the second phrase? -- I deleted the assertion for now. -- Kiscica 06:45, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
To me, this article reads like straightforward marketing for Pret. I came to Wikipedia to read something objective and even-handed. There have been criticisms of Pret food - high levels of salt for example - nowhere to be seen here. Pret is expanding rapidly on the McDonalds model; in some areas of central London there are multiple outlets within hundreds of yards of each other; which leads me to wish to find out more about its business practises. Eg its sources and suppliers- any information on these? Does Pret make any fair trade overtures; does it fly ingredients from thousands of miles away, contributing to climate change? What's the real story behind the soft jazz conviviality of the stores' environments? The ambience of the stores seems to me to imply, even if it's never asserted, that Pret has enlightened, responsible policies re the environment and trading practises; is this the case? In an ideal world, I'd like to see some examination of this on Wikipedia. Maybe if I go away and do some research I'll be able to provide it myself.
I really don't think the Open Guide to London exlink is suitable. It's largely free of information, and instead is mostly an unsourced rant. I appreciate that it's a good idea for articles about commercial entities to have some negative comment links, so as to avoid looking like adverts, but I don't think the Open Guide page really does that properly. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 15:18, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
Being a native of central London, I am extremely familiar with Pret a Manger, since there is one (or two or three) on virtually every street in an area with offices, often in view of each other. Despite this somewhat insidious invasion of the London high street, I have been reasonably satisfied with the food and service. Several points at the bottom of this article are rather too subjective for wikipedia I think, but sadly I must agree with the points raised. Now living in New York, I agree that the service at Prets here is appalling, in contrast to that of the London branches. The sandwiches are also of a lower quality, with far less choice, and standard items offered in the UK stores such as Pret crisps (potato chips) are not sold (These are a major attraction of Pret in London for many of my American friends). It's also expensive compared to other lunch places in the city. If these practices are continued and this is how Pret plans to operate in the US, I don't think it will do well at all, and only serves to re-enforce the stereotype of bad, overpriced British food to Americans.
"In January 2001 McDonald's bought a 33% stake in Pret a Manger. McDonald's is often criticised for its high-fat fast food, exploitation of workers and for causing ecological damage."
McDonald's purchase is already mentioned in the article. The criticism corresponds to McDonalds, not Pret A Manger. F15x28 19:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
The sandwiches are made early in the morning and stored in a refrigerator. Some consumers prefer the type of made-to-order sandwiches available from shops like Subway, and from many independent retailers.
Is this really a "criticism"? It's just personal preference. You might as well add "some consumers prefer to eat hamburgers, some like fish and chips, and others prefer to make their own sandwiches at home".
Personally I like the idea of just grabbing a sandwich and running with it, rather than fussing over 1023 different types of bread and fillings. Having said that, I always buy from Greggs rather than the far-too-expensive Pret a Manger. 217.34.39.123 12:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
What does "well-abled" mean in "The staff in the recruitment centre are well-abled people and include lawyers"? I can find no such word. Was "capable" or perhaps "well-off" intended? — Paul G 14:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
After doing a Google search for references, I removed an unsourced assertion that Pret a Manger use trans fats in some of their products. This has been in the article before though, so is there a source? or is it just an urban legend? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petecarney ( talk • contribs) 19:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
What on earth does this sentence mean: "Recent attempts to expand into the Irish market have stalled due to the reluctance of the local baguette aficionado Crip to come on board." What is "Crip" in what way is it a "baguette aficionado" ? Why would it need to "come on board" ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.33.2.82 ( talk) 17:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
This article opens badly and ends appallingly. i think instead of making amendments the person who wrote this should just wipe the board clean and start afresh. If not, I would urge wikipedia to delete this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.120.66 ( talk) 14:29, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
After I finished laughing, I removed the bizarre caveat in the introduction: from "a UK sandwich retailer (its Italian shareholder sold its stake to an investment group)", to the more succinct "a UK sandwich retailer". This sort of rubbish is the bane of Wiki, any mention of a nationality, particularly UK it seems, and we're into a world of bullsh*t. Was Pret really X% an Italian retailer while it had an Italian shareholder? Did the coffee get worse when they sold up. Does it really help explain what Pret is to have a huge caveat about formerly having a foreign shareholder at some point? Tjamesjones ( talk) 19:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I founded it, it's exactly as the French would say it. Jeffrey Hyman.
How is the name pronounced? does it resemble French "prêt à manger" or "Pret a mainger" in English?-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 20:56, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
1998? That's a while ago. Any up to date info?
OK I'm the original founder, how can I validate the original history. Jeffrey Hyman
I've had a go at tidying up this article, but note:
In particular, I see from the talk above some mention of including material on the (un)healthiness of the food, which was not followed-up. A quick Google shows that concern of salt levels (e.g.) has certainly been raised in the UK press at least. However I am not sure if this is notable enough for inclusion in the article … thoughts? Alexbrn 09:40, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Is it true? [2] Anyone live in NYC? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.44.49.32 ( talk) 01:52, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I'm Jeffrey Hyman and I founded the first Pret A Manger. There is absolutely no doubt that my sister Valerie Hyman Coined the term. Probably in our living room. She was a theatrical costumier with a large premises in King Street Covent Garden, it was called The Costume Centre. She also founded The Dance Centre in Floral Street Covent Garden. We are both alive and well. There was no Pret A Manger to my knowledge when we founded the company. There was certainly no company by that name. I also saw the story about the boarded up shop and the £160. I think the £160 is very very unlikely. Would the liquidator have worked for that! Was it borrowed, I don't think so. They bought the whole enterprise out of voluntary liquidation. The liquidator David Ruben remembers the day well, as one of their team fell down an open trap door in the shop. Integius ( talk) 15:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
You can ask me anything about the beginning of Pret A Manger and I will tell you what actually happened. Integius ( talk) 15:17, 21 November 2015 (UTC) Integius ( talk) 15:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Integius ( talk • contribs) 15:09, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
The founders name in the body doesn't match the ones in the side bar? Integius ( talk) 16:49, 16 June 2016 (UTC) I have changed the founder back to me. Jeffrey Hyman. I founded the original Pret A manger in Hamptead. It was founded in 1983 and was called Pret A Manger (Hampstead) Ltd. Sinclair Beecham and Julian Metcalf bought the company and its name out of liquidation. They then developed it to the substantial company it is today. But I think you can only have one "founding moment" and I believe that belongs solely to me. Here is a hyperlink to the company information https://companycheck.co.uk/company/01763373/PRET-A-MANGER-HAMPSTEAD-LIMITED/summary And here is the text on that page. PRET A MANGER (HAMPSTEAD) LIMITED dissolved C/o David Rubin And Co, Pearl Assurance House, 319 Ballards Lane, London, N12 8NA Integius ( talk) 16:49, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
An IP editor changed the founder from Hyman to Julian Metcalfe and Sinclair Beecham.
When I reverted their edit pointing out that Hyman as founder was backed up by a current source in the article they in turn reverted my edits again, without comment.
I have no strong opinion on who founded Pret, and I can't tell if the current source for Hyman meets the criteria as a WP:RS, so I'll just back away from this now. But somebody with more knowledge of the matter may want to look into this. -- Fëanor ( talk) 22:11, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Preserving here by providing this link; pls see edit summary for rationale. K.e.coffman ( talk) 19:23, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm not a fan of "Jeffrey Hyman had literally no more to do with any of this than the man on the moon; he should not be mentioned in the slightest". I am not a fan of "All this was Hyman's work. Beechan and Metcalfe are some minor figures who came along later to slightly build on his work", OK?
Neither is true.
Now, is it not true that all of these statements are true?
If that is true, then Beechan and Metcalfe took something from Hyman's restaurant, even if only the name. Thus, Hyman is worth mentioning. It does not harm the reader to mention him.
At the same time, it looks like Hyman's restaurant was a single outlet that folded after less than two years. Whether Beechan and Metcalfe took anything besides the name -- such as an approach toe menu, or decor, or service, or bookkeeping, or anything else -- is probably impossible to know at this point. Since we can't really know, let's just elide as much of this as we can.
If Beechan and Metcalfe did not want, in any way shape or form, to ever be associated with Hyman's restaurant, they probably should not have bought his assets and used the same name. But they did. And it is too late to change that.
A somewhat similar situation is McDonald's. McDonald's is really Kroc's -- Ray Kroc made the company. But the McDonald brothers did open the first one and came up with the name, and they are properly mentioned in the article.
Also, whatever Pret A Manager Corporation has to say is of zero interest to us. Corporations lie about stuff all the time. Pret A Manger itself is not a reliable source for any statements of fact to be used in this article, except stuff like their address.
I wrote a compromise version and published it. It includes instructions to leave the infobox fields for founder and founding date entry blank, and let's. Let's work from the compromise version, critique away. Or edit it, but let's be careful here, there has been edit warring. Herostratus ( talk) 00:58, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
What is important to note, is that Metcalfe and Beecham did not buy the company from Hyman. The company Hyman "founded" which his cafe traded under went into liquidation and no longer exists. A separate company, founded by metcalfe and beecham bought the just the name from the liquidators.
i think its fair to say that those looking up Pret a Manger on wikipedia are not looking for the cafe which was open for 18 months in the 80's, they are looking for Pret a Manger, the global sandwich giant. This company was founded by Julian Metcalfe and Sinclair Beecham.
Citing Jeffery Hyman as the founder on this page is at best misleading and at worst vandalism. Personally i think there should be a new page made for Pret a Manger (the cafe in Hamsted), in which it would be factually correct for Hyman to be listed as the founder. But seeing as this has already been turned down i think its best to leave the founder section blank. Even though factually, the compnay, Pret a Manger that still trades today, and that this article is clearly about, was founded in 1986 by Julian Metcalfe and Sinclair Beecham.
The distinction is incredibly clear, i hope this has cleared things up for everyone.
Pret a manager didn't even sell sandwiches in boxes until 1989! It was just a shop in victoria that made custom sandwiches "to order" for 2 years before switching to boxes after Marks and Spencer first launched the sandwich box. Perhaps we should credit Hyman with this innovation too? Maybve he founded marks and spencers?
lastly (and thankfully) you cant set up a Pret franchise. Pret rents and manages all stores internally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cos02125 ( talk • contribs) 13:15, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Cos02125 ( talk · contribs) and Dunmore.hi.4 ( talk · contribs) have both just been blocked as sockpuppets.
Not sure if this is worth mentioning in the article: [4] "Fast casual restaurant Pret A Manger closed its stores in Chicago after the unexpected death of co-worker Dante Colloly." Is it reflective of overall company culture, or an isolated local incident? -- Theodore Kloba ( talk) 13:35, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
On Season 4 Ep56 of game show Tenable a contestant claimed to have vandalised this page and that “after three years, it finally got changed back” – a bit of an exaggeration here – the edit he was referring to was added 31 October 2013 and rendered not visible by another edit less than half an hour later. Visibility was accidentally restored 27 November 2014, but it was removed 19 July 2015. As luck would have it he lost. EdwardUK ( talk) 15:26, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) ❯❯❯ Raydann (Talk) 06:55, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Pret a Manger → Pret A Manger – Pret themselves capitalise the 'A' in the middle. E.g. this press release. (Note also the footer on that press release page.) A bit iffy ( talk) 14:23, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
follow the same style as for titles of published works." The cited page refers to WP:Manual of Style/Titles § Capital letters (aka MOS:CT), and I'm pretty sure that what is stated there says Wikipedia would not capitalize the "a" if this were the title of a published work. — BarrelProof ( talk) 20:47, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
I am homeless and have been using Pret on the King's Road in Chelsea all day for the past several weeks I have been occupying myself by doing calligraphy, yesterday the store manager informed me that he had received an email from head office saying I was no longer allowed to do this, this because a customer had made a complaint. Plenty of other customers liked what I do as I don't bother other customers in fact I don't engage into conversation with anyone unless they talk to me first. Customers are always buying me coffee and sandwiches. When I told some people what had happened they then told me that they would boycott Pret, I've asked them not to do this. One person makes a complaint and I get told that I can't carry on and yet I know people who go into Pret every day and use the internal internet and use pret as an office 2A01:4C8:104B:DE9:1:1:5F35:6E11 ( talk) 12:38, 30 March 2023 (UTC)