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COGDEN, you wrote: "Among the duties of the Presiding Patriarch are to preside in council meetings" - can you please clarify this - it sounds like the presiding patriach presides over all/any council meetings in the church, including the council of the Twelve, stake high councils, 1st presidency and presiding bishopric council on disposition, etc. This needs to be clarified and referenced. Hope things are going well. - Visorstuff 21:53, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
While Looking for image I ran across something that has me confused. I good source of image of pre-1930 leadership is
{{
cite book}}
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help); External link in |title=
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help)While reading I came across Asahel Smith.
It reads, "Smith, Asahel, the fourth Presiding Patriarch of the Church...." and "He was ordained a patriarch by the twelve Apostles in Nauvoo, Ill, Oct 7 1844, and after the rejection of William Smith his nephew in 1845 the patriarchal office according to the hereditary order belonged to Asahel Smith". Additionally, on the same page, John Smith (John Smith (uncle of Joseph Smith)) is described as the fifth Presiding Patriarch, not the fourth as suggested by this page.
However, Asahel Smith person is missing from the table in the "Chronology of the Presiding Patriarchs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". Additionally, Andrew Jenson was an
Offical LDS Church Historian so I would think he would know. I do note that Jenson says that due to his heath Asahel "is not known to have taken any active part in the office of presiding patriarch".
However, I note that
Lost Legacy: The Mormon Office of Presiding Patriarch dose list John Smith (uncle of Joseph Smith)) is described as the fourth presiding patriarch and
josephsmithpapers.org only list him as a "Patriarch" and not "Presiding Patriarch" as Jenson dose. So was he never set apart? Is that why Lost Legacy and josephsmithpapers.org don't list him? What was his "Status" as "Presiding Patriarch"?--
ARTEST4ECHO (
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I saw that IP editor 75.162.226.101 added Asahel Smith to the list. I agree with Good Ol’factory in that his inclusion at this time is inappropriate. Andrew Jenson, wrote several books some saying he was and some saying he wasn't, so he seems to be confused. Therefore I agree that it needs to stay as is, unless something else clarifies it much better.
However, I have found the following:
He was ordained presiding Patriarch, Feb 18, 1855 in G.S.L City by Pres. Brigham Young and is the present incumbent of the office of presiding Patriarch.
the fourth Presiding Patriarch of the Church...." and "He was ordained a patriarch by the twelve Apostles in Nauvoo, Ill, Oct 7 1844, and after the rejection of William Smith his nephew in 1845 the patriarchal office according to the hereditary order belonged to Asahel Smith".
{{
cite book}}
: |access-date=
requires |url=
(
help); External link in |title=
(
help)After the rejection of William Smith, The Patriarchal office, according to the hereditary order belonged to Ashel Smith, (a brother of Joseph Smith, Sen.), who had been ordained a Patriarch at Nauvoo in 1844; but his being poor, he is not know to have magnified his office as Patriarch
So the four books from Andrew Jenson contradict each other, so there must be more to the story, but as it remains so unclear he should not be included. --- ARTEST4ECHO( Talk) 21:14, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
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COGDEN, you wrote: "Among the duties of the Presiding Patriarch are to preside in council meetings" - can you please clarify this - it sounds like the presiding patriach presides over all/any council meetings in the church, including the council of the Twelve, stake high councils, 1st presidency and presiding bishopric council on disposition, etc. This needs to be clarified and referenced. Hope things are going well. - Visorstuff 21:53, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
While Looking for image I ran across something that has me confused. I good source of image of pre-1930 leadership is
{{
cite book}}
: |access-date=
requires |url=
(
help); External link in |title=
(
help)While reading I came across Asahel Smith.
It reads, "Smith, Asahel, the fourth Presiding Patriarch of the Church...." and "He was ordained a patriarch by the twelve Apostles in Nauvoo, Ill, Oct 7 1844, and after the rejection of William Smith his nephew in 1845 the patriarchal office according to the hereditary order belonged to Asahel Smith". Additionally, on the same page, John Smith (John Smith (uncle of Joseph Smith)) is described as the fifth Presiding Patriarch, not the fourth as suggested by this page.
However, Asahel Smith person is missing from the table in the "Chronology of the Presiding Patriarchs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". Additionally, Andrew Jenson was an
Offical LDS Church Historian so I would think he would know. I do note that Jenson says that due to his heath Asahel "is not known to have taken any active part in the office of presiding patriarch".
However, I note that
Lost Legacy: The Mormon Office of Presiding Patriarch dose list John Smith (uncle of Joseph Smith)) is described as the fourth presiding patriarch and
josephsmithpapers.org only list him as a "Patriarch" and not "Presiding Patriarch" as Jenson dose. So was he never set apart? Is that why Lost Legacy and josephsmithpapers.org don't list him? What was his "Status" as "Presiding Patriarch"?--
ARTEST4ECHO (
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contribs) 16:45, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
I saw that IP editor 75.162.226.101 added Asahel Smith to the list. I agree with Good Ol’factory in that his inclusion at this time is inappropriate. Andrew Jenson, wrote several books some saying he was and some saying he wasn't, so he seems to be confused. Therefore I agree that it needs to stay as is, unless something else clarifies it much better.
However, I have found the following:
He was ordained presiding Patriarch, Feb 18, 1855 in G.S.L City by Pres. Brigham Young and is the present incumbent of the office of presiding Patriarch.
the fourth Presiding Patriarch of the Church...." and "He was ordained a patriarch by the twelve Apostles in Nauvoo, Ill, Oct 7 1844, and after the rejection of William Smith his nephew in 1845 the patriarchal office according to the hereditary order belonged to Asahel Smith".
{{
cite book}}
: |access-date=
requires |url=
(
help); External link in |title=
(
help)After the rejection of William Smith, The Patriarchal office, according to the hereditary order belonged to Ashel Smith, (a brother of Joseph Smith, Sen.), who had been ordained a Patriarch at Nauvoo in 1844; but his being poor, he is not know to have magnified his office as Patriarch
So the four books from Andrew Jenson contradict each other, so there must be more to the story, but as it remains so unclear he should not be included. --- ARTEST4ECHO( Talk) 21:14, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
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