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This is caused by Muslims preventing name change out of spite. Russian cities are accepted as St Petersburgh etc. Myanmar is not still called Burma. Most English speakers have no idea about Indian cities, use the name given in the state. Or maybe Indian board of Censors will be requested to reconsider Wiki access to India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.215.153.9 ( talk) 01:56, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
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please change Allahabad to Prayagraj in this article immediately for correct information. Akashaktri ( talk) 11:33, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
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Shujath19 ( talk) 12:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Allahbad or Illahbad should not be renamed as Prayagraj. If another Govt comes they will again rename it to Allahbad. Let them make a new city and name it as Prayagraj. Everyone keeps on changing the names now.
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The statement on the page:- "Allahabad (About this soundpronunciation (help·info)), officially known as Prayagraj" is weird.
Either official name should be made the page name, or it should be removed altogether. Not using official name as main name would be, in a way, illegal. Hence, page name should be changed to - "Prayagraj". And first sentence should also be changed to - "Prayagraj (About this soundpronunciation (help·info)), formerly known as Allahabad" 103.95.120.115 ( talk) 02:31, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
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Area of Prayagraj is shown as 82 sq km(32 sq mile). Change it to 354.73 sq km (136.96). Hope it is clear now! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C2:5001:C670:1C76:FF87:CD4:CFAA ( talk) 06:37, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
After the Uttar Pradesh cabinet decision on 31/12/2019 to expand the city of Prayagraj, the total area of Prayagraj Nagar Nigam will be the original 62.64 square kilometer plus new 292.09 sq km, that is, now total size of the city is 354.73 sq km (136.96 sq miles).
Source (see page 19 of the cabinet decision from 31/12/19 below) :
http://information.up.nic.in/attachments/CabinetDecisionfile/e849a3e48b52fa2f28ae9c247cb3ff3e.pdf 2601:1C2:5001:C670:1C76:FF87:CD4:CFAA ( talk) 22:53, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
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Area of Prayagraj is shown as 82 square kilometer(32 sq mile) in the city information box on the top right side. Change it to 354.73 sq km (136.96 sq miles). Hope it is clear now!
Source (see page 19 of the cabinet decision from 31/12/19 in the link shown below regarding expansion of city limits which is already notified) :
http://information.up.nic.in/attachments/CabinetDecisionfile/e849a3e48b52fa2f28ae9c247cb3ff3e.pdf 2601:1C2:5001:C670:1C76:FF87:CD4:CFAA ( talk) 06:45, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
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06:52, 8 January 2020 (UTC)The name must be changed to Prayagraj. It should have be done right at the time of government notification. If there is really a need to mention the common name Allahabad then it can be mentioned as the secondary name. It doesn’t mean the page and the title of the page should not be changed. Going by the current logic of the overworked wiki contributors who revert every change my other users of the page’s name to Prayagraj, Mumbai page would never be able to get the correct title and would always be known as Bombay as people still use Bombay as a common name of the city. Tarunuee ( talk) 17:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Your logic on Mumbai is not correct. The name of the city changed long before Wikipedia came into existence.
The logic of common name is also incorrect because it is based on what certain group of individuals believe. It is impossible to gauge the correct publicly used name at the right time. Tarunuee ( talk) 05:09, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
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Do change the page's name to Prayagraj which is the official name of the city as mentioned by this page only. Will you write Sri Lanka as Ceylon? 2402:3A80:6F7:10AD:3886:B4C3:6FD8:BB83 ( talk) 16:06, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello editors. I would like to highlight some of the points which are nothing but just advertisement and future things proposed by governments but yet to implement. For example section Projects, Allahabad Metro is proposed so can be added but not as separate section. In order to decrease length of the article several section can be merged in paragraph. Please refer FA like Bengaluru or Kolkata. Suggestion welcome. Thank you.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 06:28, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Allahabad is not a official name.
Prayagraj is official name
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Then allow the page to create a page from the official name and can be redistributed
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Hello,
The article needs to be moved. All relevant websites (Google, Britannica ...) are already using the new (historical, original) name. The population of Prayagraj is also mostly Hindu. -- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 20:00, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Care to read my message? Well, I got new information, Google and Britannica have changed to Name already, so it needs to be changed on Wikipedia finally. Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 16:34, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes, so the criteria say, a name change has to be done in this case. Then do it, why do you wait? Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 18:26, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
So, nothing can ever change? Because when you are putting the Google results as an Argument, i say 9 Millions for Prayagraj is quite impressive for only 2 years around. Of Course the old name has more hits, it always has, so nothing will ever change, because old names always got mlre Hits. but what's the Point?
And why was Swaziland changed to Eswatini then? Prayagraj is the original name, the name change 2018 is more like coming home or correcting a Mistake (which occupatuons always are) the name is original and so it has to be changed back. Plus the inhabitants are with a vast majority Hindus, so what do you think they think about their Traditional name or the name praising another Religion in it's name? Well it's obvious, but maybe you just dont care. Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 00:51, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Well, I read differently, that the inhabitants accepted the name change, so you might shed some Light, where do you know your Information from.
Eswatini was renamed, so Prayagraj will be, and you cant change that, guidelines will be kept. And no, what people actually call a city is not irrelevant, but it is the most important source of how articles on Wikipedia are named. How cheeky you try to claim things, which ain't like that at all. -- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 03:30, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
the inhabitants accepted the name changeThe inhabitants were not asked about a name change, there has been no referendum of any sort. The change was imposed on the city by Delhi. Yet, the name Allahabad is the only one commonly used throughout the city, district and beyond. — kashmīrī TALK 13:27, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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I am writing to request the name change for this webpage from Allahabad to Prayagraj and at all other points where the word Allahabad exists. Lokesh2809 ( talk) 23:47, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
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00:06, 22 July 2020 (UTC)Where are the links ro the requests or consensus discussions? -- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 07:48, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
What are you talking about? There is no yellow area with no white boxes. And if course people are not interested in archive requests, but only in current ones. -- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 03:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
It seems logically inconsistent to use the old name here but not for Ho Chi Minh City - particularly when one considers that this name change was supported by the state government, while the change from Saigon to HCMC was imposed by the national Vietnamese government against the will of the city. 2602:306:CFEA:170:3478:C3D5:AA05:19AF ( talk) 21:00, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
The naming of this article is bizarre given that the city was always called Prayagraj in vernacular press and the name has near-universal adoption in India since the official change. Courts and Universities are the only exceptions (they have completely separate mechanisms, eg Bombay University and Calcutta High Court). What is clearly happening here is a POV-based title. It is also utterly inconsistent with virtually all other subcontinental place-article titles. Why is Muslim Bagh not titled Hindu Bagh if Prayagraj is titled Allahabad? How shall we fix this? -- Hunnjazal ( talk) 20:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
"How shall we fix this?", yet no one asked "Who is 'we'?" for that question. - BilCat ( talk) 22:52, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
I am going to change either the population or the citation for the population of the city and maybe the metropolitan area in the infobox.
It currently says the city has a population of 1,112,544 according to the 2011 census. It cites this document: "Census 2011" (pdf). censusindia. The Registrar General & Census Commissioner. Retrieved 25 June 2014.
But the document being cited says that Allahabad (Municipal Corporation) had a population of 1,117,094 in the 2011 census.
The figure of 1,112,544 actually comes from a different source: A-4 Towns And Urban Agglomerations Classified By Population Size Class In 2011 With Variation Since 1901 (Report). Office of the Registrar General & Census Commissioner, India. Retrieved 7 August 2020. That source gives quite a lot of figures, these include for the 2011 census:
The infobox quotes a figure of 1,216,719 for the population of the metropolitan area ("metro") and cites
"Urban Agglomerations/Cities having population 1 lakh and above" (pdf). censusindia. The Registrar General & Census Commissioner,. Retrieved 25 June 2014.{{
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link). The document cited says that the population of Allahabad Urban Agglomeration was 1,216,719 in the 2011 census.
@ Kashmiri: Do you agree that the correct population to use in the infobox for the city is for the Allahabad (Municipal Corporation)? Is the correct population to use for the metropolitan area is for Allahabad Urban Agglomeration?-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:38, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
The infobox quotes an area for the "metropolitan area" of 82 sq km, and cites: "Allahabad". allahabadmc.gov.in. Government of Uttar Pradesh. Archived from the original on 4 April 2018. Retrieved 26 March 2018. The source does not contain the word "metropolitan". We need to look at the archived version to find out what was meant by "82" because the numbers have changed. The citation quotes a "city profile" and a "district profile", which I will summarise below:
Notice that the population figure of 5,954,391 is the same as the district population figure, which is clearly an error.
If we look at the 25 June 2020 archived version it has the government's new name for the city, and says:
Other numbers seem to be the same.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:04, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
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Change Allahabad to Prayagraj 122.172.169.185 ( talk) 10:03, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
Sometimes the subject of an article will undergo a change of name. When this occurs, we give extra weight to reliable sources written after the name change. If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match. If, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well, as described above in " Use commonly recognizable names".
Prayagraj is the name used commonly, so change it. When the media use the name Prayagraj, which they do, i proved that with the links, the name is within hours the name commonly used, so you provided the argument, i provided the example -> Prayagraj is the name. Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 19:02, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Hoary, what do you mean, can you please not talk in riddles? The request of correcting the mistake of calling Prayagraj Allahabad was closed,is that true? When and by whom, can you send me the link? Why would something be closed, when the majority of arguments as well as the majority of Wikipedia users opt for the new name Prayagraj? Almost daily there was a request by different users to rename the article, the Arguments speak for themselves. Prayagraj is the name! -- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 13:30, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Well, it is not funny, it is quite ridiculous, what you write doesn't make any sense and you sure know it. xD Weird, very weird. You send me a link when Toddy wrote it will be changed when Prayagraj is commonly used, but how can he say it is not commonly used, is he able to simply assert it is not commonly used without proof, is that how Wikipedia works nowadays? And you all accept that. And why do you come with WP:COMMONNAME, I read it, it is no help at all in this issue, because I provided references, that in fact the name Prayagraj is commonly used by English, Russian, French media you name it, they all in the majority use the new name Prayagraj more thab the old name since it was established, by inhabitants of course the new name is used as well, because who would want another Religion's name established under occupation? Well, except for some Wikipedia Administrators of course. What a bubble Wikipedia sometimes becomes.. I do not only assert with an exclamation mark, I sure wrote arguments over arguments, when I havent heard any enough argument why to keep the name. It's actually pretty crazy, in what World does your writing make sense? Well, maybe it doesnt need to make sense in your view, because you want the article to be wrongfully named Allahabad for whatever hidden reason, one can only speculate why that is, in other Wikipedia even German Wikipedia they said, they dont like the reigning BJP Party, well I could understand this as I wrote , but the Germans just have enough Morals and feeling for justice and Stick to their rules and admitted they have to rename the article to Prayagraj (because the Plan to rename rhe city to it's original name Prayagraj was long before BJP Officielt thought of. where here in English Wikipedia rules are bend or completely ignored/forgotten, then totally irrelevant things are written, which dont have any point just to distract the Argumentation.
So, can you please for a change.. name a single argument , only one to start with, against (!) a name change to Prayagraj? Everyone would be thrilled to hear that.. Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 03:58, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Well first of all thank you Hoary for showing what one can do, I really appreciate it, although I have to think about it as always for a fair amount of time.
Well, I too made a Google News Search, and I got
341k for Prayagraj excluding Allahabad which is an increase of about 50.000
and I did a Google News search for Allahabad excluding Prayagraj which is numbered 3.340k which would mean a decrease of a million, so you know where that's heading..
For me it is quite obvious, that stopping the article being renamed to Prayagraj has to have different roots. I am so much from the bottom of my heart anti-racism and this is concerning me a lot. I am only discussing like others do here on Wikipedia pro renaming the article to Prayagraj, if the discussion is over, I will stop of course, at least there is now the first Argument against the renaming, which is the Google News results, thank you Toddy, i accept this argument. But still the direction is seen, Allahabad being less and less used, of course it takes time for a city's new name to be accepted and used. And of course there are still all the other arguments, amongst many that it is the original name, which was changed under occupation and that in one of the holiest towns of Hindus a Hindu name is quite apporpriate and that media use the name frequently, more than is was the case of other cities, that were in fact renamed on English Wikipedia, so yea stopping the article being renamed has ti have anti-Hindu or at least anti-BJP roots, which i could understand as i wrote earlier, but renaming the town from Allahabad to it's original name Prayagraj was so long in preparation, it is the will of many more than just the BJP.
I will stop my Part of the discussion right here, everything is said, only when I am supposed to answer something or defend something, because i got high values and only because of that i am doing this, I am no Hindu, it is just the right thing to do, i will do that. Maybe I will Start a request or something else, but not right now. I am really disappointed, not by English Wikipedia (i love English Wikipedia of course, who doesn't, it's awesome) but i got a Problem with the doing what i want attitude of many Administrators, it is not really democracy, more like oligarchy. That surely is meant to you, BilCat. Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 18:36, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Google News is not anti-Hindu, some Administrators on English Wikipedia and other Wikipedias are. Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 18:40, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
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157.39.6.81 ( talk) 17:25, 9 August 2020 (UTC) It's not Allahabad now now it's just PRAYGRAJ
The result of the move request was: not moved. —usernamekiran (talk) 18:28, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Allahabad →
Prayagraj – .The discussion is going on for so long and it doesn't seem to stop.. Why? Because the majority of Arguments and Wikipedia Users (when you consider the discussion so far) is pro the move of the article's name finally to it's official name since 2018, a long planned (the first recommendation of the new/old name was shortly after the Establishment of the Indian State in the 1940s, almost instantly thereafter. It is the old and original name, only renamed under Moghul occupation of the land (amongst a wide range of other war crimes). The cities name Prayagraj worships and desribes its Status as one of the holiest places within Hinduism while also being the place of the holiest holiday within all of India, the Kumbh Mela, which only further shows it's significant importance for having a Hinduism related name in opposition to the openly Muslim and from the foreign and not used language Arabic derived city name Allahabad, which is why not only the majority Hindu population but also local newspapers, but newspapers and media around the world in every language have already accepted the new and original name Prayagraj - just type in Kumbh Mela and news of the Last 2 years in Google, the examples are way too many and evidence if Media around the globe accepting the new name like they have with others cities names, only some Wikipedia are a few steps behind, while even here the majority of Wikipedias have moved the Page to the new name Prayagraj already while the aegumentation of the ones which didn't move it is first because English Wikipedia hasnt moved it so far, while not endorsing the other arguments (for some Wikipedias only a few people, sometimes only 2 or 3,being Administrators are responsible for deciding the article's name after all). While also the Category discussion of the same name was being ignored because the article's name still was Allahabad. So now this is the move to finally get the article being renamed, solve this neverending issue and giving credit to them many Wikipedia writers, who invest their rare spare time writing and editing and wrote that many arguments pro the move of Allahabad to Prayagraj. Many arguments I have probably forgotten, like that Google and Britannica 2 powerful and well used and recognized sources use the new name Prayagraj already. Those Arguments you are free to write.
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Well, for the references where the new name is already used (Google, Britannica, so much in media, the majority of Wikipedias, some English Wikipedia actually as well:articles like the „Prayagraj Kumbh Mela 2019“ you can look it up in the discussions here on this talk page or on Google yourself, it would take hours at least to put in all the references again.
English Wikipedia - Anti-Hinduism is not welcome here any longer.
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 17:59, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
To everyone (and these are many ones) who wrote: Oppose, because of WP:COMMONNAME - So, do you really want to say, WP:COMMONNAME has always been the source of how articles are being named on Wikipedia? And 2nd of all, Prayagraj is the common name, when taken only the last month into account they are about the same, not taken into account are the Millions Hindu believers, who would use the name Prayagraj over Allahabad, and who come to English Wikipedia and see their holy city being still called by that unwanted, forced under occupation name.
@NotBartEhrman - so, which films and books in the last 2 years (since the new and original Name was reerected again) use the name Allahabad then? You cant Oppose when your Argument has no the slightest basis but is all smoke up in the air
@Hoary = the reason for the exception to the guideline doesn't wobble within a Single day, there are just dozens more reasons which I could bring up and i brought up for the exception to the guideline:
religious importance of the town for Hindus
name changed under occupation
and many more, which i all already wrote. Still not persuasive enough for you?
Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 23:16, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
The edit notice, i.e., what you see at the top of the edit window after clicking the Edit tab, is scheduled to expire August 24. Should we renew this? This isn't a formal Rfc, but we can borrow its style, and take a poll just to see if there's some consensus here. Mathglot ( talk) 11:11, August 12, 2020 (UTC)
Please suggest new/changed wording to the edit notice here. Mathglot ( talk) 11:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
RegentsPark, can you please extend semi-protection through 7 September 2021? That would be two weeks beyond the expiration of the edit notice, which will give us time to request additional semi-protection, if necessary, after the notice expires a year from now before we get bombarded again. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 19:48, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
At 10:30, 18 October 2020 (UTC) an editor changed the spelling of Illahabad in the infobox from having two "L"s to one. The first line of the lead still have two "L"s. I wondered whether this really was fixing a typographical error as he/she said, so I used the Google NGram tool.
It might be best to have the same spelling in the lead and the infobox. Does anyone have a reason for a preference?-- Toddy1 (talk) 09:21, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
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Requesting change of the city from Allahabad to Prayagraj, as per the government ruling on renaming. Seawolf83 ( talk) 19:39, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
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20:17, 15 December 2020 (UTC)Requesting the editors of Wikipedia to change the page title of this article from 'Allahabad' to 'Prayagranj'. Huzaifa abedeen ( talk) 17:56, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Any case , unless the title is changed ,I'll point out this page is currently outdated and surveys only to appease a community. It is factually Wrong , there is no place called allhabad in India anymore, it should be represented by its current name as showcased in all official documents. The bias is inexcusable when you see how wiki pages like Mumbai is not called Bombay GhostIn$hell ( talk) 11:04, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
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Hi Toddy, Here is the Government Urban and Environmental Studies website on the city. Under Chapter 2, City profile, section 2.3.1 it clearly says ” Allahabad city comes under Allahabad metropolitan area along with Cantonment board and urban outgrowths. Population of metropolitan area is 12,16,719. Male constitutes 655,734 and female constitutes 560,985 of the total population.” http://mohua.gov.in/upload/uploadfiles/files/19UP_Allahabad_sfcp-min.pdf Harshv7777 ( talk) 19:30, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Precisely, on page number 14, section 2.3.1. Thank you. Harshv7777 ( talk) 19:36, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
I totally agree with that Toddy. I presume that the Government must have referred to that in short, because here they also synonymously term it as metro cities. also, I am hereby providing a news article from 2006, that states that then Government had back in time already provided metropolitan status to Allahabad along with five other cities in the state. Here it is: https://m.timesofindia.com/city/lucknow/Six-cities-to-get-metropolitan-status/articleshow/2210886.cms Harshv7777 ( talk) 19:56, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
@ Toddy1: Hi! Maybe here this may help further, regarding metropolitan and population: http://allahabadmc.gov.in/documentslist/City_Development_Plan_Allahabad-2041.pdf Harshv7777 ( talk) 09:33, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Allahabad Urban Agglomeration includes both the Metropolitan area and parts of the Allahabad District that are currently being developed to accommodate outer regions within the Allahabad Metropolitan Area. The Metropolitan Area term is synonymous with the city. Harshv7777 ( talk) 09:41, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Also, the first reference from the Government website I mentioned stated “Allahabad city comes under Allahabad metropolitan area along with Cantonment board and urban outgrowths.” and the user Kashmiri reverted the metropolitan status and also the reference saying ‘A metropolitan area doesn't make the core city a metropolis’ I would request you to please ask the user not to keep reverting as this is subject to talk page, until a consensus has been reached. Harshv7777 ( talk) 09:47, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
@ Toddy1: Thank you very much Toddy1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harshv7777 ( talk • contribs) 19:42, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
This is the correct location for this
...After months, on the page of Allahabad, user Kashmiri has again changed the term “metropolis” to city, without any discussion on talk page, or giving any reasons, or attaching suitable references to support his/her claim, just saying ‘it is a city’, which is ridiculous, a long long discussion has been made already and much references have already been added... Thank you.
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The article has been expanded, covering the metropolitan area as well. Also, does the definition of Metropolitan say it has to be amongst the 30 largest cities in India? It is the Government that decides the status, not us. Thanks! Harshv7777 ( talk) 04:28, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
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Change "Allahabad" to "Prayagraj"
As the name of the city has been officially changed by the Government of India.
Reference website address:
2. https://wikitravel.org/en/Prayagraj
3. https://www.incredibleindia.org/content/incredibleindia/en/destinations/allahabad.html Nikhilesh Bhandari ( talk) 07:31, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Majority of people I know in India, still identify the city as Allahabad. Even some hardcore supporters of Hindutva. ChandlerMinh ( talk) 10:31, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
This habit will get changed once Prayagraj starts getting used everywhere instead of Allahabad same way original name was faded by Mughals Allahabad will also get lesser known Raghavram880103 ( talk) 20:00, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
There are still the majority of Germans calling Kaliningrad Königsberg after some 70 years, so to await that All people after 2 years use the New Name is quite outrageous. Prayagraj is used a lot in comparison to other cities which names have been changed.. Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 19:43, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
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As per latest state government orders, Allahabad is renamed to Prayagraj, so page title should be updated to Prayagraj and Allahabad searches should get redirected to Prayagraj page. Raghavram880103 ( talk) 19:56, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
A phonetic change in the case Bangalore to Bengaluru is not the same as change to Prayagraj from Allahabad. People still call it Bangalore because it flows from the tongue more easily than Bengaluru. Prayagraj is the most common name used to represent the city after the name was changed formally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raghu487 ( talk • contribs) 02:04, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Slow down, there is a moratorium in place on page move until October 2021. Besides, hardly anybody in and around the city call it anything else than Ilahabad/Allahabad. — kashmīrī TALK 02:08, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
I Wonder what the number of Pakistani trolls is on English Wikipedia. sometimes you can even tell it by the Nick name they have given themselves, aint I Right, kashmiri ;)
Prayagraj is the Name of the City and nobody calls it Allahabad, where did you get your Information from?
I am pro Lifting the Moratorium and having a New discussion about it Right now.
And I am pro a New policy. Accept the original names, which people give their cities and dont try to change or anglicize them.
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 19:40, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Why is there a moratorium on this topic? How many people who make decisions on Indian city name changes are even from India to understand this issue? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raghu487 ( talk • contribs) 03:53, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Absolutely. Why would not use the official, legal name that most Indians agree to use while talking about us. This is not a fantasy dreamed up by socia media users. Kindly change all official references of "Allahabad" city to "Prayagraj". Bullishkid ( talk) 08:47, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
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Update name of Commissioner Prayagraj from Ashish Kumar Goel to Sanjay Goyal
Update name of IG Prayagraj from Mohit Agarwal to Kavindra Pratap Singh
Update the name of Senior Superintendent of Police from Nitin Tiwari to Sarvashreshth Tripathi Tripathi.shashan ( talk) 15:04, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Please update the names of the officers posted here
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Absolutely right.I also request to edit the things added above.I support you completely.Thanks! Afzal Shaikh Jethalal Champaklal Gada ( talk) 11:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
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The metropolis area of Prayagraj is correct but total area is not given, I request to please provide the total area too in this page which is 5,482 Sq.Km. [1] 2409:4063:428C:649F:A48F:9719:B00E:264B ( talk) 07:26, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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The official name of this city is "PRAYAGRAJ" -change it. This was a legally passed measure to change the city's name. 108.54.86.91 ( talk) 06:41, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
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07:24, 2 September 2021 (UTC)Trust me. Prayagraj is a holy site in Hinduism. People were eager to see the city renamed. Only people who still call it Allahabad are the Indian Muslims, who make up only 14% population, and Pakistanis, who do not control the city and cannot decide its name. Every Hindu I know refers to the city as Prayagraj or Prayag, even those who live in or near the city. In addition, as mentioned in previous sections, the official name is Prayagraj. Therefore I am requesting a lift on the moratorium so as to open discussion for renaming the article. JayPlaysStuff ( talk) 14:15, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Prayagraj is a holy site in HinduismYou seem to be confusing Allahabad and Triveni Sangam. Only the latter is a holy site in Hinduism; the former denotes just a large city. The rest of your extreme POV comment doesn't merit a response. — kashmīrī TALK 19:19, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
The people Who decided for a 1-year-long Moratorium.. censorship will never be the Right way!
Maybe Prayagraj is not a holy City, of course Not, but it contains holy saites, which makes it pretty holy, Mr. Neunmalklug ;) Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 17:47, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
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Don't bother. It is very obvious that the name is Prayagraj, but there are editor gangs here who will never accept that simply because the name change was done by BJP. All the Congress name changes have been duly reflected on Wikipedia. As somebody said above, Swaziland name change to Eswatini was immediately reflected even though most ppl still use Swaziland; this one will never be. No need to get worked up over it; it is they who will become a laughing stock if they continue using the old name. 183.83.146.194 ( talk) 09:40, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Even though the name of Nelspruit has changed to Mbombela and many years have passed, people still mostly refer to it as Nelspruit but the Wikipedia article name has changed. At this point, it just seems like they only have a political problem with name changes in India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.2.151.120 ( talk) 16:00, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
In the infobox only city specific information should be mentioned, but in the government section of infobox District magistrate, divisional commissioner and Superintendent of district police names are added which is incorrect. These are not part of city administration so shouldn't be mentioned in city article. These should be removed. Starting this discussion to avoid an edit war. Rohit klar ( talk) 08:15, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Well, if that’s what should be implemented, I thought the same would’ve gone for other cities of Uttar Pradesh, for eg. Lucknow, Kanpur, Varanasi, Meerut etc. Can’t understand why every city article other than this has that admin info still on, and only in this article the info is being removed. Harshv7777 ( talk) 10:18, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Also, quoting the fellow editor’s saying ‘These are not part of city administration so shouldn't be mentioned in city article. These should be removed.’ I think as far as I know the city administration and district administration are not two different entities, they are the same. The city is the district headquarters, and the administration resides here, and it administers both the city as well as the district. My view is that either we give that info in both city and district articles, or we remove admin info from all other city articles too. Harshv7777 ( talk) 10:25, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Ok thanks for informing Harshv7777 ( talk) 19:07, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Population and rank information needs correction for this article. After the merger of nearby area to the municipal limits the population has increased and is correctly mentioned under Metropolis section of Infobox, but in the same section Metro population is showing some random number without correct/reliable citation. post increase in population with expansion of area the rank of the city also changes which is not been corrected. If someone is having/can write a script to do so? Apart from the Prayagraj Municipal Corporation there is another governing body, Allahabad Cantonment Board [1] which controls part of the metro area so the population of this area is added to the Urban Agglomeration of Prayagraj (Metro), but this number is much larger than the numbers mentioned in the info box. The rank of the city also changes post expansion in the area. Since this is a good article, it must have correct and verifiable information. There is another urban planning body known as Prayagraj Development Authority which has jurisdiction beyond city municipal limits and it would be appropriate to include those areas under metro but I couldn't find and link on it's website for population and area (though the list of newly added villages is shown in the website) [2]. Rohit klar ( talk) 06:03, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
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Citation 1 & 5 (archived version), was dated 2018. It gave the "City Profile" as:
Citation 1 & 5 (2021 version) gives the "City Profile" as:
Citation 2, is a table of provisional figures from the 2011 census. Page 4 says:
Citation 3, is a table of provisional figures from the 2011 census. Page 3 says:
Citation 4 is the present city council site.
Citation 6 is the census of India website, but not any particular page. It is a useless non-citation. -- Toddy1 (talk) 07:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
I have implemented a correction to the infobox, and I have also amended the text in the demographics section to explain what is going on. Please note that though www.census2011.co.in is a useful source, it is not as reliable as direct citations to the census or the city government website. There are differences between tables produced by the census; hence some tables have words like "provisional results" in the title.-- Toddy1 (talk) 13:00, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
.. and people will finally have a word again that the article finally is being correctly renamed to - - > Prayagraj?
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 06:12, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Change Hate to comment this, but this is getting so ridiculous. I avoid getting into controversial areas of Wikipedia, but couldn't resist commenting here. It's been years since the name change took place, do you expect people still refer to it as "Allahabad"? Not for me, and people around me. It's historical name is "Prayag" and again it is reverted to its original name some years ago. I urge editors here to stop pushing this further and respect the name change and common people's opinion. It sometimes makes me think if this decision or consensus is somewhat motivated. 🌌Zoglophie🌌 16:05, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
English Media already uses Prayagraj, there are uncountable sources which use „Prayagraj“ over Allahabad, so if added together people + Media usage - it is quite clear, that the name should be changed to Prayagraj. But how will this Happen, how many more people should speak out for a name change toward Prayagraj before finally it is taken into Action on Wikipedia?
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 08:07, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
.. Completely agree. I don´t know why the article is not named Prayagraj which is the name of the city. Beyond ridiculous and from my point of view, racist and hinduphobic. Even Encyplopaedia Britannica calls it Prayagraj [here https://www.britannica.com/place/Prayagraj]-- Lambrusquiño ( talk) 22:30, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
The edit notice that people see in Preview mode when editing the article is going to expire on 24 August. Please add your thoughts about whether this notice should be allowed to expire, or should be renewed; and if the latter, for how long. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 11:27, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
I've extended the edit notice indefinitely per consensus above. This may be modified at any time by consensus of participating editors. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 06:04, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
The banner links above are broken and the page (supposed to be a redirect) seems to be deleted. Could someone fix the links and see if the merge discussion was in the archives, and update it? — DaxServer ( talk to me) 19:17, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
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This is caused by Muslims preventing name change out of spite. Russian cities are accepted as St Petersburgh etc. Myanmar is not still called Burma. Most English speakers have no idea about Indian cities, use the name given in the state. Or maybe Indian board of Censors will be requested to reconsider Wiki access to India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.215.153.9 ( talk) 01:56, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
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please change Allahabad to Prayagraj in this article immediately for correct information. Akashaktri ( talk) 11:33, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
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Allahbad or Illahbad should not be renamed as Prayagraj. If another Govt comes they will again rename it to Allahbad. Let them make a new city and name it as Prayagraj. Everyone keeps on changing the names now.
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The statement on the page:- "Allahabad (About this soundpronunciation (help·info)), officially known as Prayagraj" is weird.
Either official name should be made the page name, or it should be removed altogether. Not using official name as main name would be, in a way, illegal. Hence, page name should be changed to - "Prayagraj". And first sentence should also be changed to - "Prayagraj (About this soundpronunciation (help·info)), formerly known as Allahabad" 103.95.120.115 ( talk) 02:31, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
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Area of Prayagraj is shown as 82 sq km(32 sq mile). Change it to 354.73 sq km (136.96). Hope it is clear now! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C2:5001:C670:1C76:FF87:CD4:CFAA ( talk) 06:37, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
After the Uttar Pradesh cabinet decision on 31/12/2019 to expand the city of Prayagraj, the total area of Prayagraj Nagar Nigam will be the original 62.64 square kilometer plus new 292.09 sq km, that is, now total size of the city is 354.73 sq km (136.96 sq miles).
Source (see page 19 of the cabinet decision from 31/12/19 below) :
http://information.up.nic.in/attachments/CabinetDecisionfile/e849a3e48b52fa2f28ae9c247cb3ff3e.pdf 2601:1C2:5001:C670:1C76:FF87:CD4:CFAA ( talk) 22:53, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
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Area of Prayagraj is shown as 82 square kilometer(32 sq mile) in the city information box on the top right side. Change it to 354.73 sq km (136.96 sq miles). Hope it is clear now!
Source (see page 19 of the cabinet decision from 31/12/19 in the link shown below regarding expansion of city limits which is already notified) :
http://information.up.nic.in/attachments/CabinetDecisionfile/e849a3e48b52fa2f28ae9c247cb3ff3e.pdf 2601:1C2:5001:C670:1C76:FF87:CD4:CFAA ( talk) 06:45, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
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06:52, 8 January 2020 (UTC)The name must be changed to Prayagraj. It should have be done right at the time of government notification. If there is really a need to mention the common name Allahabad then it can be mentioned as the secondary name. It doesn’t mean the page and the title of the page should not be changed. Going by the current logic of the overworked wiki contributors who revert every change my other users of the page’s name to Prayagraj, Mumbai page would never be able to get the correct title and would always be known as Bombay as people still use Bombay as a common name of the city. Tarunuee ( talk) 17:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Your logic on Mumbai is not correct. The name of the city changed long before Wikipedia came into existence.
The logic of common name is also incorrect because it is based on what certain group of individuals believe. It is impossible to gauge the correct publicly used name at the right time. Tarunuee ( talk) 05:09, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
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Do change the page's name to Prayagraj which is the official name of the city as mentioned by this page only. Will you write Sri Lanka as Ceylon? 2402:3A80:6F7:10AD:3886:B4C3:6FD8:BB83 ( talk) 16:06, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello editors. I would like to highlight some of the points which are nothing but just advertisement and future things proposed by governments but yet to implement. For example section Projects, Allahabad Metro is proposed so can be added but not as separate section. In order to decrease length of the article several section can be merged in paragraph. Please refer FA like Bengaluru or Kolkata. Suggestion welcome. Thank you.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 06:28, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Allahabad is not a official name.
Prayagraj is official name
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Then allow the page to create a page from the official name and can be redistributed
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Hello,
The article needs to be moved. All relevant websites (Google, Britannica ...) are already using the new (historical, original) name. The population of Prayagraj is also mostly Hindu. -- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 20:00, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Care to read my message? Well, I got new information, Google and Britannica have changed to Name already, so it needs to be changed on Wikipedia finally. Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 16:34, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes, so the criteria say, a name change has to be done in this case. Then do it, why do you wait? Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 18:26, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
So, nothing can ever change? Because when you are putting the Google results as an Argument, i say 9 Millions for Prayagraj is quite impressive for only 2 years around. Of Course the old name has more hits, it always has, so nothing will ever change, because old names always got mlre Hits. but what's the Point?
And why was Swaziland changed to Eswatini then? Prayagraj is the original name, the name change 2018 is more like coming home or correcting a Mistake (which occupatuons always are) the name is original and so it has to be changed back. Plus the inhabitants are with a vast majority Hindus, so what do you think they think about their Traditional name or the name praising another Religion in it's name? Well it's obvious, but maybe you just dont care. Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 00:51, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Well, I read differently, that the inhabitants accepted the name change, so you might shed some Light, where do you know your Information from.
Eswatini was renamed, so Prayagraj will be, and you cant change that, guidelines will be kept. And no, what people actually call a city is not irrelevant, but it is the most important source of how articles on Wikipedia are named. How cheeky you try to claim things, which ain't like that at all. -- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 03:30, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
the inhabitants accepted the name changeThe inhabitants were not asked about a name change, there has been no referendum of any sort. The change was imposed on the city by Delhi. Yet, the name Allahabad is the only one commonly used throughout the city, district and beyond. — kashmīrī TALK 13:27, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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I am writing to request the name change for this webpage from Allahabad to Prayagraj and at all other points where the word Allahabad exists. Lokesh2809 ( talk) 23:47, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
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What are you talking about? There is no yellow area with no white boxes. And if course people are not interested in archive requests, but only in current ones. -- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 03:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
It seems logically inconsistent to use the old name here but not for Ho Chi Minh City - particularly when one considers that this name change was supported by the state government, while the change from Saigon to HCMC was imposed by the national Vietnamese government against the will of the city. 2602:306:CFEA:170:3478:C3D5:AA05:19AF ( talk) 21:00, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
The naming of this article is bizarre given that the city was always called Prayagraj in vernacular press and the name has near-universal adoption in India since the official change. Courts and Universities are the only exceptions (they have completely separate mechanisms, eg Bombay University and Calcutta High Court). What is clearly happening here is a POV-based title. It is also utterly inconsistent with virtually all other subcontinental place-article titles. Why is Muslim Bagh not titled Hindu Bagh if Prayagraj is titled Allahabad? How shall we fix this? -- Hunnjazal ( talk) 20:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
"How shall we fix this?", yet no one asked "Who is 'we'?" for that question. - BilCat ( talk) 22:52, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
I am going to change either the population or the citation for the population of the city and maybe the metropolitan area in the infobox.
It currently says the city has a population of 1,112,544 according to the 2011 census. It cites this document: "Census 2011" (pdf). censusindia. The Registrar General & Census Commissioner. Retrieved 25 June 2014.
But the document being cited says that Allahabad (Municipal Corporation) had a population of 1,117,094 in the 2011 census.
The figure of 1,112,544 actually comes from a different source: A-4 Towns And Urban Agglomerations Classified By Population Size Class In 2011 With Variation Since 1901 (Report). Office of the Registrar General & Census Commissioner, India. Retrieved 7 August 2020. That source gives quite a lot of figures, these include for the 2011 census:
The infobox quotes a figure of 1,216,719 for the population of the metropolitan area ("metro") and cites
"Urban Agglomerations/Cities having population 1 lakh and above" (pdf). censusindia. The Registrar General & Census Commissioner,. Retrieved 25 June 2014.{{
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@ Kashmiri: Do you agree that the correct population to use in the infobox for the city is for the Allahabad (Municipal Corporation)? Is the correct population to use for the metropolitan area is for Allahabad Urban Agglomeration?-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:38, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
The infobox quotes an area for the "metropolitan area" of 82 sq km, and cites: "Allahabad". allahabadmc.gov.in. Government of Uttar Pradesh. Archived from the original on 4 April 2018. Retrieved 26 March 2018. The source does not contain the word "metropolitan". We need to look at the archived version to find out what was meant by "82" because the numbers have changed. The citation quotes a "city profile" and a "district profile", which I will summarise below:
Notice that the population figure of 5,954,391 is the same as the district population figure, which is clearly an error.
If we look at the 25 June 2020 archived version it has the government's new name for the city, and says:
Other numbers seem to be the same.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:04, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
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Change Allahabad to Prayagraj 122.172.169.185 ( talk) 10:03, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
Sometimes the subject of an article will undergo a change of name. When this occurs, we give extra weight to reliable sources written after the name change. If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match. If, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well, as described above in " Use commonly recognizable names".
Prayagraj is the name used commonly, so change it. When the media use the name Prayagraj, which they do, i proved that with the links, the name is within hours the name commonly used, so you provided the argument, i provided the example -> Prayagraj is the name. Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 19:02, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Hoary, what do you mean, can you please not talk in riddles? The request of correcting the mistake of calling Prayagraj Allahabad was closed,is that true? When and by whom, can you send me the link? Why would something be closed, when the majority of arguments as well as the majority of Wikipedia users opt for the new name Prayagraj? Almost daily there was a request by different users to rename the article, the Arguments speak for themselves. Prayagraj is the name! -- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 13:30, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Well, it is not funny, it is quite ridiculous, what you write doesn't make any sense and you sure know it. xD Weird, very weird. You send me a link when Toddy wrote it will be changed when Prayagraj is commonly used, but how can he say it is not commonly used, is he able to simply assert it is not commonly used without proof, is that how Wikipedia works nowadays? And you all accept that. And why do you come with WP:COMMONNAME, I read it, it is no help at all in this issue, because I provided references, that in fact the name Prayagraj is commonly used by English, Russian, French media you name it, they all in the majority use the new name Prayagraj more thab the old name since it was established, by inhabitants of course the new name is used as well, because who would want another Religion's name established under occupation? Well, except for some Wikipedia Administrators of course. What a bubble Wikipedia sometimes becomes.. I do not only assert with an exclamation mark, I sure wrote arguments over arguments, when I havent heard any enough argument why to keep the name. It's actually pretty crazy, in what World does your writing make sense? Well, maybe it doesnt need to make sense in your view, because you want the article to be wrongfully named Allahabad for whatever hidden reason, one can only speculate why that is, in other Wikipedia even German Wikipedia they said, they dont like the reigning BJP Party, well I could understand this as I wrote , but the Germans just have enough Morals and feeling for justice and Stick to their rules and admitted they have to rename the article to Prayagraj (because the Plan to rename rhe city to it's original name Prayagraj was long before BJP Officielt thought of. where here in English Wikipedia rules are bend or completely ignored/forgotten, then totally irrelevant things are written, which dont have any point just to distract the Argumentation.
So, can you please for a change.. name a single argument , only one to start with, against (!) a name change to Prayagraj? Everyone would be thrilled to hear that.. Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 03:58, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Well first of all thank you Hoary for showing what one can do, I really appreciate it, although I have to think about it as always for a fair amount of time.
Well, I too made a Google News Search, and I got
341k for Prayagraj excluding Allahabad which is an increase of about 50.000
and I did a Google News search for Allahabad excluding Prayagraj which is numbered 3.340k which would mean a decrease of a million, so you know where that's heading..
For me it is quite obvious, that stopping the article being renamed to Prayagraj has to have different roots. I am so much from the bottom of my heart anti-racism and this is concerning me a lot. I am only discussing like others do here on Wikipedia pro renaming the article to Prayagraj, if the discussion is over, I will stop of course, at least there is now the first Argument against the renaming, which is the Google News results, thank you Toddy, i accept this argument. But still the direction is seen, Allahabad being less and less used, of course it takes time for a city's new name to be accepted and used. And of course there are still all the other arguments, amongst many that it is the original name, which was changed under occupation and that in one of the holiest towns of Hindus a Hindu name is quite apporpriate and that media use the name frequently, more than is was the case of other cities, that were in fact renamed on English Wikipedia, so yea stopping the article being renamed has ti have anti-Hindu or at least anti-BJP roots, which i could understand as i wrote earlier, but renaming the town from Allahabad to it's original name Prayagraj was so long in preparation, it is the will of many more than just the BJP.
I will stop my Part of the discussion right here, everything is said, only when I am supposed to answer something or defend something, because i got high values and only because of that i am doing this, I am no Hindu, it is just the right thing to do, i will do that. Maybe I will Start a request or something else, but not right now. I am really disappointed, not by English Wikipedia (i love English Wikipedia of course, who doesn't, it's awesome) but i got a Problem with the doing what i want attitude of many Administrators, it is not really democracy, more like oligarchy. That surely is meant to you, BilCat. Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 18:36, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Google News is not anti-Hindu, some Administrators on English Wikipedia and other Wikipedias are. Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 18:40, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
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157.39.6.81 ( talk) 17:25, 9 August 2020 (UTC) It's not Allahabad now now it's just PRAYGRAJ
The result of the move request was: not moved. —usernamekiran (talk) 18:28, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Allahabad →
Prayagraj – .The discussion is going on for so long and it doesn't seem to stop.. Why? Because the majority of Arguments and Wikipedia Users (when you consider the discussion so far) is pro the move of the article's name finally to it's official name since 2018, a long planned (the first recommendation of the new/old name was shortly after the Establishment of the Indian State in the 1940s, almost instantly thereafter. It is the old and original name, only renamed under Moghul occupation of the land (amongst a wide range of other war crimes). The cities name Prayagraj worships and desribes its Status as one of the holiest places within Hinduism while also being the place of the holiest holiday within all of India, the Kumbh Mela, which only further shows it's significant importance for having a Hinduism related name in opposition to the openly Muslim and from the foreign and not used language Arabic derived city name Allahabad, which is why not only the majority Hindu population but also local newspapers, but newspapers and media around the world in every language have already accepted the new and original name Prayagraj - just type in Kumbh Mela and news of the Last 2 years in Google, the examples are way too many and evidence if Media around the globe accepting the new name like they have with others cities names, only some Wikipedia are a few steps behind, while even here the majority of Wikipedias have moved the Page to the new name Prayagraj already while the aegumentation of the ones which didn't move it is first because English Wikipedia hasnt moved it so far, while not endorsing the other arguments (for some Wikipedias only a few people, sometimes only 2 or 3,being Administrators are responsible for deciding the article's name after all). While also the Category discussion of the same name was being ignored because the article's name still was Allahabad. So now this is the move to finally get the article being renamed, solve this neverending issue and giving credit to them many Wikipedia writers, who invest their rare spare time writing and editing and wrote that many arguments pro the move of Allahabad to Prayagraj. Many arguments I have probably forgotten, like that Google and Britannica 2 powerful and well used and recognized sources use the new name Prayagraj already. Those Arguments you are free to write.
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Well, for the references where the new name is already used (Google, Britannica, so much in media, the majority of Wikipedias, some English Wikipedia actually as well:articles like the „Prayagraj Kumbh Mela 2019“ you can look it up in the discussions here on this talk page or on Google yourself, it would take hours at least to put in all the references again.
English Wikipedia - Anti-Hinduism is not welcome here any longer.
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 17:59, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
To everyone (and these are many ones) who wrote: Oppose, because of WP:COMMONNAME - So, do you really want to say, WP:COMMONNAME has always been the source of how articles are being named on Wikipedia? And 2nd of all, Prayagraj is the common name, when taken only the last month into account they are about the same, not taken into account are the Millions Hindu believers, who would use the name Prayagraj over Allahabad, and who come to English Wikipedia and see their holy city being still called by that unwanted, forced under occupation name.
@NotBartEhrman - so, which films and books in the last 2 years (since the new and original Name was reerected again) use the name Allahabad then? You cant Oppose when your Argument has no the slightest basis but is all smoke up in the air
@Hoary = the reason for the exception to the guideline doesn't wobble within a Single day, there are just dozens more reasons which I could bring up and i brought up for the exception to the guideline:
religious importance of the town for Hindus
name changed under occupation
and many more, which i all already wrote. Still not persuasive enough for you?
Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 23:16, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
The edit notice, i.e., what you see at the top of the edit window after clicking the Edit tab, is scheduled to expire August 24. Should we renew this? This isn't a formal Rfc, but we can borrow its style, and take a poll just to see if there's some consensus here. Mathglot ( talk) 11:11, August 12, 2020 (UTC)
Please suggest new/changed wording to the edit notice here. Mathglot ( talk) 11:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
RegentsPark, can you please extend semi-protection through 7 September 2021? That would be two weeks beyond the expiration of the edit notice, which will give us time to request additional semi-protection, if necessary, after the notice expires a year from now before we get bombarded again. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 19:48, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
At 10:30, 18 October 2020 (UTC) an editor changed the spelling of Illahabad in the infobox from having two "L"s to one. The first line of the lead still have two "L"s. I wondered whether this really was fixing a typographical error as he/she said, so I used the Google NGram tool.
It might be best to have the same spelling in the lead and the infobox. Does anyone have a reason for a preference?-- Toddy1 (talk) 09:21, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
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Requesting change of the city from Allahabad to Prayagraj, as per the government ruling on renaming. Seawolf83 ( talk) 19:39, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
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20:17, 15 December 2020 (UTC)Requesting the editors of Wikipedia to change the page title of this article from 'Allahabad' to 'Prayagranj'. Huzaifa abedeen ( talk) 17:56, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Any case , unless the title is changed ,I'll point out this page is currently outdated and surveys only to appease a community. It is factually Wrong , there is no place called allhabad in India anymore, it should be represented by its current name as showcased in all official documents. The bias is inexcusable when you see how wiki pages like Mumbai is not called Bombay GhostIn$hell ( talk) 11:04, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
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I was expecting the Talk page to be absolutely nasty ChandlerMinh ( talk) 10:25, 26 December 2020 (UTC) |
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Hi Toddy, Here is the Government Urban and Environmental Studies website on the city. Under Chapter 2, City profile, section 2.3.1 it clearly says ” Allahabad city comes under Allahabad metropolitan area along with Cantonment board and urban outgrowths. Population of metropolitan area is 12,16,719. Male constitutes 655,734 and female constitutes 560,985 of the total population.” http://mohua.gov.in/upload/uploadfiles/files/19UP_Allahabad_sfcp-min.pdf Harshv7777 ( talk) 19:30, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Precisely, on page number 14, section 2.3.1. Thank you. Harshv7777 ( talk) 19:36, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
I totally agree with that Toddy. I presume that the Government must have referred to that in short, because here they also synonymously term it as metro cities. also, I am hereby providing a news article from 2006, that states that then Government had back in time already provided metropolitan status to Allahabad along with five other cities in the state. Here it is: https://m.timesofindia.com/city/lucknow/Six-cities-to-get-metropolitan-status/articleshow/2210886.cms Harshv7777 ( talk) 19:56, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
@ Toddy1: Hi! Maybe here this may help further, regarding metropolitan and population: http://allahabadmc.gov.in/documentslist/City_Development_Plan_Allahabad-2041.pdf Harshv7777 ( talk) 09:33, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Allahabad Urban Agglomeration includes both the Metropolitan area and parts of the Allahabad District that are currently being developed to accommodate outer regions within the Allahabad Metropolitan Area. The Metropolitan Area term is synonymous with the city. Harshv7777 ( talk) 09:41, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Also, the first reference from the Government website I mentioned stated “Allahabad city comes under Allahabad metropolitan area along with Cantonment board and urban outgrowths.” and the user Kashmiri reverted the metropolitan status and also the reference saying ‘A metropolitan area doesn't make the core city a metropolis’ I would request you to please ask the user not to keep reverting as this is subject to talk page, until a consensus has been reached. Harshv7777 ( talk) 09:47, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
@ Toddy1: Thank you very much Toddy1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harshv7777 ( talk • contribs) 19:42, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
This is the correct location for this
...After months, on the page of Allahabad, user Kashmiri has again changed the term “metropolis” to city, without any discussion on talk page, or giving any reasons, or attaching suitable references to support his/her claim, just saying ‘it is a city’, which is ridiculous, a long long discussion has been made already and much references have already been added... Thank you.
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The article has been expanded, covering the metropolitan area as well. Also, does the definition of Metropolitan say it has to be amongst the 30 largest cities in India? It is the Government that decides the status, not us. Thanks! Harshv7777 ( talk) 04:28, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
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Change "Allahabad" to "Prayagraj"
As the name of the city has been officially changed by the Government of India.
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2. https://wikitravel.org/en/Prayagraj
3. https://www.incredibleindia.org/content/incredibleindia/en/destinations/allahabad.html Nikhilesh Bhandari ( talk) 07:31, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Majority of people I know in India, still identify the city as Allahabad. Even some hardcore supporters of Hindutva. ChandlerMinh ( talk) 10:31, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
This habit will get changed once Prayagraj starts getting used everywhere instead of Allahabad same way original name was faded by Mughals Allahabad will also get lesser known Raghavram880103 ( talk) 20:00, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
There are still the majority of Germans calling Kaliningrad Königsberg after some 70 years, so to await that All people after 2 years use the New Name is quite outrageous. Prayagraj is used a lot in comparison to other cities which names have been changed.. Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 19:43, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
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As per latest state government orders, Allahabad is renamed to Prayagraj, so page title should be updated to Prayagraj and Allahabad searches should get redirected to Prayagraj page. Raghavram880103 ( talk) 19:56, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
A phonetic change in the case Bangalore to Bengaluru is not the same as change to Prayagraj from Allahabad. People still call it Bangalore because it flows from the tongue more easily than Bengaluru. Prayagraj is the most common name used to represent the city after the name was changed formally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raghu487 ( talk • contribs) 02:04, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Slow down, there is a moratorium in place on page move until October 2021. Besides, hardly anybody in and around the city call it anything else than Ilahabad/Allahabad. — kashmīrī TALK 02:08, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
I Wonder what the number of Pakistani trolls is on English Wikipedia. sometimes you can even tell it by the Nick name they have given themselves, aint I Right, kashmiri ;)
Prayagraj is the Name of the City and nobody calls it Allahabad, where did you get your Information from?
I am pro Lifting the Moratorium and having a New discussion about it Right now.
And I am pro a New policy. Accept the original names, which people give their cities and dont try to change or anglicize them.
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 19:40, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Why is there a moratorium on this topic? How many people who make decisions on Indian city name changes are even from India to understand this issue? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raghu487 ( talk • contribs) 03:53, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Absolutely. Why would not use the official, legal name that most Indians agree to use while talking about us. This is not a fantasy dreamed up by socia media users. Kindly change all official references of "Allahabad" city to "Prayagraj". Bullishkid ( talk) 08:47, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
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Update name of Commissioner Prayagraj from Ashish Kumar Goel to Sanjay Goyal
Update name of IG Prayagraj from Mohit Agarwal to Kavindra Pratap Singh
Update the name of Senior Superintendent of Police from Nitin Tiwari to Sarvashreshth Tripathi Tripathi.shashan ( talk) 15:04, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Please update the names of the officers posted here
Tripathi.shashan ( talk) 15:05, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Absolutely right.I also request to edit the things added above.I support you completely.Thanks! Afzal Shaikh Jethalal Champaklal Gada ( talk) 11:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
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The metropolis area of Prayagraj is correct but total area is not given, I request to please provide the total area too in this page which is 5,482 Sq.Km. [1] 2409:4063:428C:649F:A48F:9719:B00E:264B ( talk) 07:26, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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The official name of this city is "PRAYAGRAJ" -change it. This was a legally passed measure to change the city's name. 108.54.86.91 ( talk) 06:41, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
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07:24, 2 September 2021 (UTC)Trust me. Prayagraj is a holy site in Hinduism. People were eager to see the city renamed. Only people who still call it Allahabad are the Indian Muslims, who make up only 14% population, and Pakistanis, who do not control the city and cannot decide its name. Every Hindu I know refers to the city as Prayagraj or Prayag, even those who live in or near the city. In addition, as mentioned in previous sections, the official name is Prayagraj. Therefore I am requesting a lift on the moratorium so as to open discussion for renaming the article. JayPlaysStuff ( talk) 14:15, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Prayagraj is a holy site in HinduismYou seem to be confusing Allahabad and Triveni Sangam. Only the latter is a holy site in Hinduism; the former denotes just a large city. The rest of your extreme POV comment doesn't merit a response. — kashmīrī TALK 19:19, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
The people Who decided for a 1-year-long Moratorium.. censorship will never be the Right way!
Maybe Prayagraj is not a holy City, of course Not, but it contains holy saites, which makes it pretty holy, Mr. Neunmalklug ;) Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 17:47, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
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Don't bother. It is very obvious that the name is Prayagraj, but there are editor gangs here who will never accept that simply because the name change was done by BJP. All the Congress name changes have been duly reflected on Wikipedia. As somebody said above, Swaziland name change to Eswatini was immediately reflected even though most ppl still use Swaziland; this one will never be. No need to get worked up over it; it is they who will become a laughing stock if they continue using the old name. 183.83.146.194 ( talk) 09:40, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Even though the name of Nelspruit has changed to Mbombela and many years have passed, people still mostly refer to it as Nelspruit but the Wikipedia article name has changed. At this point, it just seems like they only have a political problem with name changes in India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.2.151.120 ( talk) 16:00, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
In the infobox only city specific information should be mentioned, but in the government section of infobox District magistrate, divisional commissioner and Superintendent of district police names are added which is incorrect. These are not part of city administration so shouldn't be mentioned in city article. These should be removed. Starting this discussion to avoid an edit war. Rohit klar ( talk) 08:15, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Well, if that’s what should be implemented, I thought the same would’ve gone for other cities of Uttar Pradesh, for eg. Lucknow, Kanpur, Varanasi, Meerut etc. Can’t understand why every city article other than this has that admin info still on, and only in this article the info is being removed. Harshv7777 ( talk) 10:18, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Also, quoting the fellow editor’s saying ‘These are not part of city administration so shouldn't be mentioned in city article. These should be removed.’ I think as far as I know the city administration and district administration are not two different entities, they are the same. The city is the district headquarters, and the administration resides here, and it administers both the city as well as the district. My view is that either we give that info in both city and district articles, or we remove admin info from all other city articles too. Harshv7777 ( talk) 10:25, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Ok thanks for informing Harshv7777 ( talk) 19:07, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Population and rank information needs correction for this article. After the merger of nearby area to the municipal limits the population has increased and is correctly mentioned under Metropolis section of Infobox, but in the same section Metro population is showing some random number without correct/reliable citation. post increase in population with expansion of area the rank of the city also changes which is not been corrected. If someone is having/can write a script to do so? Apart from the Prayagraj Municipal Corporation there is another governing body, Allahabad Cantonment Board [1] which controls part of the metro area so the population of this area is added to the Urban Agglomeration of Prayagraj (Metro), but this number is much larger than the numbers mentioned in the info box. The rank of the city also changes post expansion in the area. Since this is a good article, it must have correct and verifiable information. There is another urban planning body known as Prayagraj Development Authority which has jurisdiction beyond city municipal limits and it would be appropriate to include those areas under metro but I couldn't find and link on it's website for population and area (though the list of newly added villages is shown in the website) [2]. Rohit klar ( talk) 06:03, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
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Citation 1 & 5 (archived version), was dated 2018. It gave the "City Profile" as:
Citation 1 & 5 (2021 version) gives the "City Profile" as:
Citation 2, is a table of provisional figures from the 2011 census. Page 4 says:
Citation 3, is a table of provisional figures from the 2011 census. Page 3 says:
Citation 4 is the present city council site.
Citation 6 is the census of India website, but not any particular page. It is a useless non-citation. -- Toddy1 (talk) 07:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
I have implemented a correction to the infobox, and I have also amended the text in the demographics section to explain what is going on. Please note that though www.census2011.co.in is a useful source, it is not as reliable as direct citations to the census or the city government website. There are differences between tables produced by the census; hence some tables have words like "provisional results" in the title.-- Toddy1 (talk) 13:00, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
.. and people will finally have a word again that the article finally is being correctly renamed to - - > Prayagraj?
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 06:12, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Change Hate to comment this, but this is getting so ridiculous. I avoid getting into controversial areas of Wikipedia, but couldn't resist commenting here. It's been years since the name change took place, do you expect people still refer to it as "Allahabad"? Not for me, and people around me. It's historical name is "Prayag" and again it is reverted to its original name some years ago. I urge editors here to stop pushing this further and respect the name change and common people's opinion. It sometimes makes me think if this decision or consensus is somewhat motivated. 🌌Zoglophie🌌 16:05, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
English Media already uses Prayagraj, there are uncountable sources which use „Prayagraj“ over Allahabad, so if added together people + Media usage - it is quite clear, that the name should be changed to Prayagraj. But how will this Happen, how many more people should speak out for a name change toward Prayagraj before finally it is taken into Action on Wikipedia?
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 08:07, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
.. Completely agree. I don´t know why the article is not named Prayagraj which is the name of the city. Beyond ridiculous and from my point of view, racist and hinduphobic. Even Encyplopaedia Britannica calls it Prayagraj [here https://www.britannica.com/place/Prayagraj]-- Lambrusquiño ( talk) 22:30, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
The edit notice that people see in Preview mode when editing the article is going to expire on 24 August. Please add your thoughts about whether this notice should be allowed to expire, or should be renewed; and if the latter, for how long. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 11:27, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
I've extended the edit notice indefinitely per consensus above. This may be modified at any time by consensus of participating editors. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 06:04, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
The banner links above are broken and the page (supposed to be a redirect) seems to be deleted. Could someone fix the links and see if the merge discussion was in the archives, and update it? — DaxServer ( talk to me) 19:17, 30 September 2021 (UTC)