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This article is in need of further improvement. I translated from the German wikipedia. However i did not translate a single article, but translated from several mostly from "Armut" and "Kinderarmut in den Industrieländern". I also translated something from "AWO-Studie" and "Kinderreport 2007". For authors see "history"-"Versionen/autoren" on the German articles. Sorry for my english. I know my translation is anything but perfect. Please help improving this article. It would be greatly appreciated.— Resilienzi ( talk) 17:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
I think that's what AWO said: "Von 100 Kindern, die bereits während ihrer Kindergartenzeit als arm galten, schaffen nach der Grundschule gerade einmal vier den Sprung aufs Gymnasium – bei nicht-armen Kindern sind es 30." Are you worried because the fact that they already have been poor in preschool was not mentioned? I would love to mention it, but my english is not good enough. Do not know how to say this?-- Resilienzi ( talk) 11:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm afraid it get a little bit complicated now, but I would like to show that there is something wrong with the source. Namely, the 4% and the 95 fact do not go well in hand.
Take 100 children, 17 % of which are poor. Hence, 17 poor and 83 rich children, where rich means here nothing else than non-poor. (Here is the only assumption that comes from my side: The chance to later join the Gymnasium depends for both groups equally on whether Kindergarten was visited.) From the 17 poor children 4% will visit Kindergarten and from the 83 rich kids 30%. Hence, from 100 children 24.9 rich visit the Gymnasium and 0.7 poor, together 25.6 children. From this group (27), however, 0.7 poor children make only 2.7% and not as the source claims below 9%.
This is extremely far off, too far actually to explain it by the made assumption. To be precise, the 2.7% value might in reality be a little bit higher, if the percentage of poor children not having visited Kindergarten, but joining Gymnasium after primary school was much much higher than 4%. However, it's not realistic that these two numbers differ extremely. Hence, the source contradicts itself.
NB: People who dislike thinking of fractions of children simply multiply all children numbers by 1 million ;-) Tomeasy talk 12:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
"Meanwhile, Hartz IV has become a synonym for the class of non-working poor" Xx236 ( talk) 14:24, 4 March 2013 (UTC) The sources are realtively obsolete - 2007, 2008. Xx236 ( talk) 07:12, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
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This article is in need of further improvement. I translated from the German wikipedia. However i did not translate a single article, but translated from several mostly from "Armut" and "Kinderarmut in den Industrieländern". I also translated something from "AWO-Studie" and "Kinderreport 2007". For authors see "history"-"Versionen/autoren" on the German articles. Sorry for my english. I know my translation is anything but perfect. Please help improving this article. It would be greatly appreciated.— Resilienzi ( talk) 17:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
I think that's what AWO said: "Von 100 Kindern, die bereits während ihrer Kindergartenzeit als arm galten, schaffen nach der Grundschule gerade einmal vier den Sprung aufs Gymnasium – bei nicht-armen Kindern sind es 30." Are you worried because the fact that they already have been poor in preschool was not mentioned? I would love to mention it, but my english is not good enough. Do not know how to say this?-- Resilienzi ( talk) 11:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm afraid it get a little bit complicated now, but I would like to show that there is something wrong with the source. Namely, the 4% and the 95 fact do not go well in hand.
Take 100 children, 17 % of which are poor. Hence, 17 poor and 83 rich children, where rich means here nothing else than non-poor. (Here is the only assumption that comes from my side: The chance to later join the Gymnasium depends for both groups equally on whether Kindergarten was visited.) From the 17 poor children 4% will visit Kindergarten and from the 83 rich kids 30%. Hence, from 100 children 24.9 rich visit the Gymnasium and 0.7 poor, together 25.6 children. From this group (27), however, 0.7 poor children make only 2.7% and not as the source claims below 9%.
This is extremely far off, too far actually to explain it by the made assumption. To be precise, the 2.7% value might in reality be a little bit higher, if the percentage of poor children not having visited Kindergarten, but joining Gymnasium after primary school was much much higher than 4%. However, it's not realistic that these two numbers differ extremely. Hence, the source contradicts itself.
NB: People who dislike thinking of fractions of children simply multiply all children numbers by 1 million ;-) Tomeasy talk 12:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
"Meanwhile, Hartz IV has become a synonym for the class of non-working poor" Xx236 ( talk) 14:24, 4 March 2013 (UTC) The sources are realtively obsolete - 2007, 2008. Xx236 ( talk) 07:12, 5 March 2013 (UTC)