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The love that wikipedia has for the word "portmanteau" has been long noticed, as you can see scrolling back through the Talk archives - it's the topic of the first Talk item, a dozen years ago. I am one of those people who think "portmanteau" carries no meaning beyond the straightforward "blend" and, in the name of clarity, should not be used without good reason. I'm happy to say that Merriam-Webster, on their excellent blog, agrees [1]:
That doesn't sound like agreement? Note this comment:
Blend it is, I say! - DavidWBrooks ( talk) 21:14, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Glottopedia (in German) provides a narrower definition as offered here: a portmanteau morpheme is, strictly speaking, only a morpheme which cannot be segmented anymore. This is clearly not the case for (say) doesn't, didn't, wouldn't etc., which can easily be subdivided into does, did, would (etc.) plus -n't /-nt/, a common allomorph of not. However, (say) German zum /tsʊm/ can also be divided into the morphs /tsʊ-/ (an allomorph of zu /tsuː/ also found in zur /tsʊ-r/) and /-m/ (an allomorph of dem /deːm/ which recurs in beim /baɪ-m/ and the more colloquial aufm /aʊf-m/), and therefore, it is not a true portmanteau morpheme (as argued in Glottopedia). German ins and ans are easy to segment into morphs as well. Glottopedia also does not consider German am and im unsegmentable, as it considers the segmentations a-m and i-m valid. Uncontroversial examples would be German war, sind, or English was, are, am, is, went, and presumably feet and took, and French au /oː/ (but not Italian or Spanish al /al/, which can be subdivided into /a/ plus /-l/ as found in del /de-l/). The Latin genitive singular ending -is, too, is a much better example than most of the contractions listed. -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 17:06, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
I didn't want to change it without asking, why is Hebrew listed as "modern" hebrew? Yes, it is different from biblical hebrew, but every other language listed also is different from its older forms and they are not listed with this distinction 46.117.102.89 ( talk) 23:59, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
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The love that wikipedia has for the word "portmanteau" has been long noticed, as you can see scrolling back through the Talk archives - it's the topic of the first Talk item, a dozen years ago. I am one of those people who think "portmanteau" carries no meaning beyond the straightforward "blend" and, in the name of clarity, should not be used without good reason. I'm happy to say that Merriam-Webster, on their excellent blog, agrees [1]:
That doesn't sound like agreement? Note this comment:
Blend it is, I say! - DavidWBrooks ( talk) 21:14, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Glottopedia (in German) provides a narrower definition as offered here: a portmanteau morpheme is, strictly speaking, only a morpheme which cannot be segmented anymore. This is clearly not the case for (say) doesn't, didn't, wouldn't etc., which can easily be subdivided into does, did, would (etc.) plus -n't /-nt/, a common allomorph of not. However, (say) German zum /tsʊm/ can also be divided into the morphs /tsʊ-/ (an allomorph of zu /tsuː/ also found in zur /tsʊ-r/) and /-m/ (an allomorph of dem /deːm/ which recurs in beim /baɪ-m/ and the more colloquial aufm /aʊf-m/), and therefore, it is not a true portmanteau morpheme (as argued in Glottopedia). German ins and ans are easy to segment into morphs as well. Glottopedia also does not consider German am and im unsegmentable, as it considers the segmentations a-m and i-m valid. Uncontroversial examples would be German war, sind, or English was, are, am, is, went, and presumably feet and took, and French au /oː/ (but not Italian or Spanish al /al/, which can be subdivided into /a/ plus /-l/ as found in del /de-l/). The Latin genitive singular ending -is, too, is a much better example than most of the contractions listed. -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 17:06, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
I didn't want to change it without asking, why is Hebrew listed as "modern" hebrew? Yes, it is different from biblical hebrew, but every other language listed also is different from its older forms and they are not listed with this distinction 46.117.102.89 ( talk) 23:59, 25 July 2022 (UTC)