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do you think we could have this first paragraph rewritten for the everyday person to understand? :) Kingturtle 05:27, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Likewise, the sovereign of England is Supreme Governor of the Church of England since the Tudor schisma extracted Anglicanism from the papal authority, re-awarding itself the title Defender of the Faith (originally awarded by the Pope to the young Henry VIII rewarding a book written before his schism) but now for the new, Protestant version - while it is the Established Church in England and Wales, in Scotland Presbyterianism is.
Yuck!
11:41, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
It is a little heavy going I agree
Could not any of you intellectuals ever consider the "Supreme Bridge Builder" is the person who "bridges the gap between Heaven and Earth?" And if you can follow me, then the Pope/Papa through the powers of Peter and John, etc., were a great part of "bridging" the gap between Jews and Pagans or early Jewish believers in the Christ? Regards, 96.19.159.196 ( talk) 03:38, 4 October 2013 (UTC)Ronald L. Hughes
Is this the oldest longest surviving legal office? If so should it be mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JvlivsCaesar ( talk • contribs) 10:07, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Please, Dr M, why have you reverted everything out of hand and without explanation? There are many points on which an explanation is needed. Why, for instance, do you insist that the article should say:
rather than:
That is just one very simple example. Lima ( talk) 18:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Dr mindbender ( talk) 19:14, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I'll see tomorrow if you will have been able to back up any of your presumptions. Whether I write like some teenager you know or not, I think it is a duty, not just a hobby, to draw attention to the absence of solid ground for such presumptions. Citing references is a good thing; placing in Wikipedia the conclusions, the presumptions, that you personally draw from them, is not a good thing.
Finally, do you realize you have reverted three times today? I will not tempt you, by doing a third revert myself, to go again beyond that limit. But I may have to revert tomorrow. Lima ( talk) 21:23, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
According Pope Pontifex Maximus is included in the official list of titles.-- Dojarca ( talk) 07:59, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
In this discussion of what needs to be in the main article, there also needs to be a comparision of the overall titles and real ppower of religion, back in time; e.g. to include
as today's Popes claim ALL of the above as their RIGHT and their office....BUT ONLY #3 matters as that office has been conferred only twice before - to Melchizedek and to Christ...DIRECTLY FROM GOD> /s/ no.3 lil mel - Psalms 2 & 110 -- 69.121.221.97 ( talk) 18:20, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Pagan, while entirely correct in usage, is somewhat pejorative, reflecting Judaio Christian chauvinism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.150.48.222 ( talk) 17:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
The original number of pointiffs was three, not five Aldrasto ( talk) 08:38, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
What is the relevance of an infobox on the fall of the Republic to pontifex maximus? As the article indicates, Augustus took over the role for the emperor, and it pops up again in Christian usage, so the infobox seems like a not very helpful piece of clutter. I'll wait a couple of days, however, to see whether there are any objections before deleting it. Cynwolfe ( talk) 23:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Pont meaning road is IE, not Etruscan. The author cited is wrong. Cf. WH p. 336, EM p. 521. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 04:57, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
If the Greek expressions are relevant to the etymology of pontifex maximus, it would be helpful to add their transliterations into the English/Latin alphabet to make the connections with the Latin words more apparent. Thanks.
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The result of the move request was: move. ( non-admin closure) feminist ( talk) 09:13, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Pontifex Maximus → Pontifex maximus – According to our MOS, we should avoid unnecessary capitalization, of which this is a typical case, as also shown by use in professionally edited sources such as the Columbia Encyclopedia and at least the first four sources of this article: [1], Encyclopaedia Britannica, [2], and [3]. Espoo ( talk) 14:50, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
I would submit that it originally came from the origin of "religion." i.e. Babylon. That group of "priests" began moving to Pergamus after the Medes conquered Babylon in 539. In 133, when the last king died, they again began to look for a place to move to. That was when Julius Caesar came to Pergamus and aided that "college" to move to Rome. He liked the title Pontifex maximus so much that he took it and crowned himself with it and was part of why his end came so quickly. Every emperor from Caesar up to Constantine, who made Christianity the state religion, took it as a title for themselves. Constantine crowned the "pope" with the title rather than taking it himself. The Roman church thus inherited the ancient mystery religions of Babylon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:248:4403:2D10:CCBE:A2B1:1DC8:8BF1 ( talk) 03:52, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
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do you think we could have this first paragraph rewritten for the everyday person to understand? :) Kingturtle 05:27, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Likewise, the sovereign of England is Supreme Governor of the Church of England since the Tudor schisma extracted Anglicanism from the papal authority, re-awarding itself the title Defender of the Faith (originally awarded by the Pope to the young Henry VIII rewarding a book written before his schism) but now for the new, Protestant version - while it is the Established Church in England and Wales, in Scotland Presbyterianism is.
Yuck!
11:41, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
It is a little heavy going I agree
Could not any of you intellectuals ever consider the "Supreme Bridge Builder" is the person who "bridges the gap between Heaven and Earth?" And if you can follow me, then the Pope/Papa through the powers of Peter and John, etc., were a great part of "bridging" the gap between Jews and Pagans or early Jewish believers in the Christ? Regards, 96.19.159.196 ( talk) 03:38, 4 October 2013 (UTC)Ronald L. Hughes
Is this the oldest longest surviving legal office? If so should it be mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JvlivsCaesar ( talk • contribs) 10:07, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Please, Dr M, why have you reverted everything out of hand and without explanation? There are many points on which an explanation is needed. Why, for instance, do you insist that the article should say:
rather than:
That is just one very simple example. Lima ( talk) 18:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Dr mindbender ( talk) 19:14, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I'll see tomorrow if you will have been able to back up any of your presumptions. Whether I write like some teenager you know or not, I think it is a duty, not just a hobby, to draw attention to the absence of solid ground for such presumptions. Citing references is a good thing; placing in Wikipedia the conclusions, the presumptions, that you personally draw from them, is not a good thing.
Finally, do you realize you have reverted three times today? I will not tempt you, by doing a third revert myself, to go again beyond that limit. But I may have to revert tomorrow. Lima ( talk) 21:23, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
According Pope Pontifex Maximus is included in the official list of titles.-- Dojarca ( talk) 07:59, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
In this discussion of what needs to be in the main article, there also needs to be a comparision of the overall titles and real ppower of religion, back in time; e.g. to include
as today's Popes claim ALL of the above as their RIGHT and their office....BUT ONLY #3 matters as that office has been conferred only twice before - to Melchizedek and to Christ...DIRECTLY FROM GOD> /s/ no.3 lil mel - Psalms 2 & 110 -- 69.121.221.97 ( talk) 18:20, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Pagan, while entirely correct in usage, is somewhat pejorative, reflecting Judaio Christian chauvinism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.150.48.222 ( talk) 17:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
The original number of pointiffs was three, not five Aldrasto ( talk) 08:38, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
What is the relevance of an infobox on the fall of the Republic to pontifex maximus? As the article indicates, Augustus took over the role for the emperor, and it pops up again in Christian usage, so the infobox seems like a not very helpful piece of clutter. I'll wait a couple of days, however, to see whether there are any objections before deleting it. Cynwolfe ( talk) 23:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Pont meaning road is IE, not Etruscan. The author cited is wrong. Cf. WH p. 336, EM p. 521. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 04:57, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
If the Greek expressions are relevant to the etymology of pontifex maximus, it would be helpful to add their transliterations into the English/Latin alphabet to make the connections with the Latin words more apparent. Thanks.
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The result of the move request was: move. ( non-admin closure) feminist ( talk) 09:13, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Pontifex Maximus → Pontifex maximus – According to our MOS, we should avoid unnecessary capitalization, of which this is a typical case, as also shown by use in professionally edited sources such as the Columbia Encyclopedia and at least the first four sources of this article: [1], Encyclopaedia Britannica, [2], and [3]. Espoo ( talk) 14:50, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
I would submit that it originally came from the origin of "religion." i.e. Babylon. That group of "priests" began moving to Pergamus after the Medes conquered Babylon in 539. In 133, when the last king died, they again began to look for a place to move to. That was when Julius Caesar came to Pergamus and aided that "college" to move to Rome. He liked the title Pontifex maximus so much that he took it and crowned himself with it and was part of why his end came so quickly. Every emperor from Caesar up to Constantine, who made Christianity the state religion, took it as a title for themselves. Constantine crowned the "pope" with the title rather than taking it himself. The Roman church thus inherited the ancient mystery religions of Babylon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:248:4403:2D10:CCBE:A2B1:1DC8:8BF1 ( talk) 03:52, 26 July 2020 (UTC)