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Only the Union Territory of Pondicherry has been renamed to the Union Territory of Puducherry by an act of the Indian Parliament. Pondicherry city remains Pondicherry city. A notice to this effect will be published in the next gazette of the govt (of Puducherry).
It is likely that the local politicians will decide to rename the city too to Puducherry. But this is a long drawn out process, requiring the consent of various central govt ministries; it is much easier to rename a state or a union territory than it is to rename a city. So at least for the next few months or even years, the city will remain Pondicherry.-- Ujm 02:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Finally the law renaming the UT passed and now the official name is Puducherry. I think it is normal to change also here the name the same as for Mumbai and Chennai. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल talk-फेन मा 18:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
This article states its Pondicherry....and then it says it used to be known as Pondicherry...well isn't that the same thing?....And wasn't it changed to Puducherry? Os it that a different place? ? 71.106.83.19 ( talk) 17:44, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Now that the territory has been moved from Pondicherry to Puducherry, shouldn't this city be move to Pondicherry? Several editors wrote in favor of this idea at Talk:Puducherry#Requested_move_January_2013. Generally speaking, cities take precedence over administrative divisions in English, and that should be even more true now that "Pondicherry" is no longer the legal or common name of the administrative division. Kauffner ( talk) 01:40, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Note: I moved Pondicherry (city) to Pondicherry since disambiguation is no longer necessary. Feel free to let me know if this was not a good idea. -- regentspark ( comment) 18:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know about that. The fact that the territory was formerly located there suggests readers who type in or click on "Pondicherry" are looking for that article. The city's name look like it's been changed as well. [1] Cúchullain t/ c 19:14, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Since this city is the most prominent area in the union territory and the city article has links of the district and the union territory, the reader won't get lost. As far as I know, the city, the district and the union territory all are now known as Puducherry. However, it may take some more time for Wikipedia editors to accept that.-- GDibyendu ( talk) 19:22, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- I got the impression from the RM above that the city was still known as Pondicherry? An alternative is to make Pondicherry a disambiguation page and keep the city article at Pondicherry (city). I'm personally unsure as to whether the city or the UT is the primary topic (except that most Chennaites, the ones I know anyway, don't really differentiate and refer to the place as Pondy).
- I think we need clarification on this. If the city is still widely known as Pondicherry, but the territory is known as Puducherry, the city should (presumably) be at Pondicherry. However, if the city has also become known as Puducherry, then we need some real evidence as to which article readers are looking for when they type in "Pondicherry" - and possibly an RM for the city. The fact that this article was formerly located at that title suggests the territory may the better target for the redirect. Cúchullain t/ c 21:17, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- There is much more confusion over the city, than there is over the territory. As far as I could see, last time I looked, the city change had not been finally approved (a bit like Bangalore). There are consequently a considerable number of sources, even in India, that still refer to the city as Pondicherry. However, there are also many sources that now refer to all three (the territory, district and city) as Puducherry. A case could be made out that the common use of the city is now Puducherry, but it isn't anything like as clear as the case for the territory. I've added a hatnote (not a very good one) to the city article in the meantime. If anyone can improve on it, please do. Skinsmoke ( talk) 11:49, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Incidentally, in the two moves, the Talk page for the city has become detached from the article page, and the territory Talk page substituted. The link needs restoring urgently. Skinsmoke ( talk) 11:57, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- I was going to undo the move while we discuss this but cuc beat me to it. All fixed for now. -- regentspark ( comment) 13:34, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, guess I got to it first. It probably bears further discussion as to what should be located, or redirected, where. I've also created a dab page at Pondicherry (disambiguation); honestly, that might should be at Pondicherry, at least until we figure out what readers are typically looking for when typing in "Pondicherry".-- Cúchullain t/ c 13:47, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Right now, Pondicherry is redirecting to Puducherry (this article page), but probably it would be better to redirect it to the city page. Most often, when people talk about Pondicherry, they would usually mean the city. The UT consists of 3 other districts, Mahe is surrounded by Kerala, Yanam is surrounded by Andhra Pradesh. The other two, Pondicherry city and Karaikal are surrounded by Tamil Nadu. What I mean to say is this: if I say I am going travel to Pondicherry, then I would mean the city or at most Karaikal too, but not the other two places, Yanam and Mahe, as they are far away from the Pondicherry city. If I am planning to go to Yanam, then most likely I would use the name Yanam rather than referring to Pondicherry.-- GDibyendu ( talk) 06:27, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- I would leave things as they are for the time being. Firstly, the incoming links at both the territory and city pages need checking. Many are simply linking to the wrong article. There are hundreds of incoming links, and I have started to go through those linking to the territory. I've checked about 600 so far.
- Secondly, we need to avoid the mess that occurred when, following the territory move, the city article was moved to Pondicherry. This resulted in the city talkpage becoming detached (and vanishing into the great white void), and the territory talk page attaching itself to the city article, and had to be undone by Cúchullain.
- It is also worth remembering that the territory page was at Pondicherry because it had been deemed to be the primary meaning. Unless things have changed, the primary meaning would still be the redirect to the territory. There may well be an argument that the city is now the primary meaning, but even in your suggestion you acknowledge that the primary meaning of Pondicherry is unclear: it could possibly even be Pondicherry district.
- In any case, let's get the cleanup from the territory move sorted first, and check the incoming links to the city article, and then maybe look at this in a couple of months time when things have settled down. Skinsmoke ( talk) 12:13, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 12:31, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
– This is the only article on Wikipedia entitled "Pondicherry." If the idea is to disambiguate it from Puducherry state, cities are always primary on Wiki compared to bureaucratic creations like provinces, states, and districts. The city has a illustrious history going back hundreds of years as the capital of French India. The state was created in 1963. Times of India gives us an example of real world usage with the headline, " Srabanti off to Pondicherry" (May 12, 2012). Here the intended meaning of Pondicherry city is implied, and there is no need to explicitly distinguish it from the state, not even inside the article. Relisted. BDD ( talk) 16:32, 11 March 2013 (UTC) Kauffner ( talk) 08:05, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
These are not valid fields in Template:infobox settlement and were move here from the article's infobox
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The last sentence is "The girls have coodies" ... this is nonsensical, and appears to be some vandal's action. Prisoner of Zenda ( talk) 11:42, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
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he wasn't from pondicherry though, just named after the city — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.118.64.56 ( talk) 08:35, November 14, 2014 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Not Moved. Consensus is that WP:COMMONNAME serves users better than WP:OFFICIAL names, though I, for one, would prefer to see better evidence of what the most common name in English truly is. ( non-admin closure) В²C ☎ 22:03, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Pondicherry →
Puducherry (city) – Should be renamed to the official and widely used name of the city per
WP:PLACE and
WP:WIAN. The name of Puducherry for the city has been widely accepted by RS such as
Encyclopedia Britannica and
Columbia Encyclopedia. I am not sure why this article wasn't moved to Puducherry especially since the article of the union territory itself has (
Puducherry).
Gotitbro (
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@ Anonymousboii: Which reference, among the ones present in the page already, is the source for the native name in the article? The only two instances of the French name are the ones that you have added. — Gazoth ( talk) 20:52, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
I found the following Government of India documents, which have a preface in Tamil, French and English.
✘ anonymousвهii 20:05, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
It really doesn't matter that much, but it would still be more proper to have this map of India up to date. Telangana split from Andhra Pradesh in 2014. Six years out of date. -- HyettsTheGamer2 ( talk) 02:30, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
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Someone please edit the main article along the following lines:
Only the Union Territory of Pondicherry has been renamed to the Union Territory of Puducherry by an act of the Indian Parliament. Pondicherry city remains Pondicherry city. A notice to this effect will be published in the next gazette of the govt (of Puducherry).
It is likely that the local politicians will decide to rename the city too to Puducherry. But this is a long drawn out process, requiring the consent of various central govt ministries; it is much easier to rename a state or a union territory than it is to rename a city. So at least for the next few months or even years, the city will remain Pondicherry.-- Ujm 02:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Finally the law renaming the UT passed and now the official name is Puducherry. I think it is normal to change also here the name the same as for Mumbai and Chennai. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल talk-फेन मा 18:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
This article states its Pondicherry....and then it says it used to be known as Pondicherry...well isn't that the same thing?....And wasn't it changed to Puducherry? Os it that a different place? ? 71.106.83.19 ( talk) 17:44, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Now that the territory has been moved from Pondicherry to Puducherry, shouldn't this city be move to Pondicherry? Several editors wrote in favor of this idea at Talk:Puducherry#Requested_move_January_2013. Generally speaking, cities take precedence over administrative divisions in English, and that should be even more true now that "Pondicherry" is no longer the legal or common name of the administrative division. Kauffner ( talk) 01:40, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Note: I moved Pondicherry (city) to Pondicherry since disambiguation is no longer necessary. Feel free to let me know if this was not a good idea. -- regentspark ( comment) 18:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know about that. The fact that the territory was formerly located there suggests readers who type in or click on "Pondicherry" are looking for that article. The city's name look like it's been changed as well. [1] Cúchullain t/ c 19:14, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Since this city is the most prominent area in the union territory and the city article has links of the district and the union territory, the reader won't get lost. As far as I know, the city, the district and the union territory all are now known as Puducherry. However, it may take some more time for Wikipedia editors to accept that.-- GDibyendu ( talk) 19:22, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- I got the impression from the RM above that the city was still known as Pondicherry? An alternative is to make Pondicherry a disambiguation page and keep the city article at Pondicherry (city). I'm personally unsure as to whether the city or the UT is the primary topic (except that most Chennaites, the ones I know anyway, don't really differentiate and refer to the place as Pondy).
- I think we need clarification on this. If the city is still widely known as Pondicherry, but the territory is known as Puducherry, the city should (presumably) be at Pondicherry. However, if the city has also become known as Puducherry, then we need some real evidence as to which article readers are looking for when they type in "Pondicherry" - and possibly an RM for the city. The fact that this article was formerly located at that title suggests the territory may the better target for the redirect. Cúchullain t/ c 21:17, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- There is much more confusion over the city, than there is over the territory. As far as I could see, last time I looked, the city change had not been finally approved (a bit like Bangalore). There are consequently a considerable number of sources, even in India, that still refer to the city as Pondicherry. However, there are also many sources that now refer to all three (the territory, district and city) as Puducherry. A case could be made out that the common use of the city is now Puducherry, but it isn't anything like as clear as the case for the territory. I've added a hatnote (not a very good one) to the city article in the meantime. If anyone can improve on it, please do. Skinsmoke ( talk) 11:49, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Incidentally, in the two moves, the Talk page for the city has become detached from the article page, and the territory Talk page substituted. The link needs restoring urgently. Skinsmoke ( talk) 11:57, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- I was going to undo the move while we discuss this but cuc beat me to it. All fixed for now. -- regentspark ( comment) 13:34, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, guess I got to it first. It probably bears further discussion as to what should be located, or redirected, where. I've also created a dab page at Pondicherry (disambiguation); honestly, that might should be at Pondicherry, at least until we figure out what readers are typically looking for when typing in "Pondicherry".-- Cúchullain t/ c 13:47, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Right now, Pondicherry is redirecting to Puducherry (this article page), but probably it would be better to redirect it to the city page. Most often, when people talk about Pondicherry, they would usually mean the city. The UT consists of 3 other districts, Mahe is surrounded by Kerala, Yanam is surrounded by Andhra Pradesh. The other two, Pondicherry city and Karaikal are surrounded by Tamil Nadu. What I mean to say is this: if I say I am going travel to Pondicherry, then I would mean the city or at most Karaikal too, but not the other two places, Yanam and Mahe, as they are far away from the Pondicherry city. If I am planning to go to Yanam, then most likely I would use the name Yanam rather than referring to Pondicherry.-- GDibyendu ( talk) 06:27, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- I would leave things as they are for the time being. Firstly, the incoming links at both the territory and city pages need checking. Many are simply linking to the wrong article. There are hundreds of incoming links, and I have started to go through those linking to the territory. I've checked about 600 so far.
- Secondly, we need to avoid the mess that occurred when, following the territory move, the city article was moved to Pondicherry. This resulted in the city talkpage becoming detached (and vanishing into the great white void), and the territory talk page attaching itself to the city article, and had to be undone by Cúchullain.
- It is also worth remembering that the territory page was at Pondicherry because it had been deemed to be the primary meaning. Unless things have changed, the primary meaning would still be the redirect to the territory. There may well be an argument that the city is now the primary meaning, but even in your suggestion you acknowledge that the primary meaning of Pondicherry is unclear: it could possibly even be Pondicherry district.
- In any case, let's get the cleanup from the territory move sorted first, and check the incoming links to the city article, and then maybe look at this in a couple of months time when things have settled down. Skinsmoke ( talk) 12:13, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 12:31, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
– This is the only article on Wikipedia entitled "Pondicherry." If the idea is to disambiguate it from Puducherry state, cities are always primary on Wiki compared to bureaucratic creations like provinces, states, and districts. The city has a illustrious history going back hundreds of years as the capital of French India. The state was created in 1963. Times of India gives us an example of real world usage with the headline, " Srabanti off to Pondicherry" (May 12, 2012). Here the intended meaning of Pondicherry city is implied, and there is no need to explicitly distinguish it from the state, not even inside the article. Relisted. BDD ( talk) 16:32, 11 March 2013 (UTC) Kauffner ( talk) 08:05, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
These are not valid fields in Template:infobox settlement and were move here from the article's infobox
Jim1138 ( talk) 08:30, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
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he wasn't from pondicherry though, just named after the city — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.118.64.56 ( talk) 08:35, November 14, 2014 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Not Moved. Consensus is that WP:COMMONNAME serves users better than WP:OFFICIAL names, though I, for one, would prefer to see better evidence of what the most common name in English truly is. ( non-admin closure) В²C ☎ 22:03, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Pondicherry →
Puducherry (city) – Should be renamed to the official and widely used name of the city per
WP:PLACE and
WP:WIAN. The name of Puducherry for the city has been widely accepted by RS such as
Encyclopedia Britannica and
Columbia Encyclopedia. I am not sure why this article wasn't moved to Puducherry especially since the article of the union territory itself has (
Puducherry).
Gotitbro (
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@ Anonymousboii: Which reference, among the ones present in the page already, is the source for the native name in the article? The only two instances of the French name are the ones that you have added. — Gazoth ( talk) 20:52, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
I found the following Government of India documents, which have a preface in Tamil, French and English.
✘ anonymousвهii 20:05, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
It really doesn't matter that much, but it would still be more proper to have this map of India up to date. Telangana split from Andhra Pradesh in 2014. Six years out of date. -- HyettsTheGamer2 ( talk) 02:30, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
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It is incorrect to state in the article that the city is 'now known as Puducherry'. It is emphatically not known by this name in English, the language of the article, as well as other languages - 'Pondicherry' remains the normal, common place-name. The name may have officially been changed by the local government, but that is not the same thing. The article ought to state it in these terms, i.e. 'Pondicherry, now officially renamed Puducherry' etc. 2A01:CB04:86D:4300:69BE:ED07:DBD1:B29 ( talk) 10:02, 11 November 2022 (UTC)