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Any Wikipedia info on California '90s neo-psychedelic band called Polyphemus? I know of two albums of theirs: "Stone House" and "Scrapbook of Madness," both excellent.
I read Robert Fitzgeralds translation, and in it Odyessus and his crew definetly knew the Cyclopes ( called Kyklops in this version) lived in the cave. Odysseus and his men go in, and even though his men protest lingering, and suggest they grab and run Odysseus decides that they stay. There they eat Polyphemus' sheep, and steal his cheese.
The rest here is definetly just my speculation
When Odysseus and his crew came to the island, they had been plundering and pirating (their attack on Ismaros an example). Their coming to Kyklopes island was more of the same. They ate Polyphemus's sheep, which in this he calls his children, and cousins. Also when talking to the Kyklopes, Odysseus lies to him, saying they are shipwrecked and asks for his help. Polyphemus sees through the lie, and a few other lies, with the third eye he's the 'seer of the meaning of things'.
Anyway, the movies always depict the Cyclops as a monster, and I don't think I've ever seen him use language at all. I figure mentioning that Odysseus did know what he was getting in to, and definetly brought some of the trouble on himself.
But, how much of that was speculation, and what could I do to put it into the page?
Why was information about the Radio Tales production of "Homer's Odyssey: Tale of the Cyclops" deleted from the "Other Information" section of this article? The "Homer's Odyssey: Tale of the Cyclops" program was a dramatic radio adaptation of the portion of the Homeric epic in which Polyphemus appears, so it certainly is relevant to the subject matter, and the "Other Information" section includes dramatic adaptations so it seems the right place for the inclusion of this info. Why was it deleted? Soundout ( talk) 01:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
In Sameul Butler's translation of The Odyssey, King Alcinous is not seen until the island of the Phaeacians being that he is the king. This meeting happens many years after Odysseus' encounter with the cyclopes Polyphemus so the wine given to intoxicate the giant could not possibly have come from Alcinous. Butler's translation more correctly points to Maron son of Euthanes, a priest of Apollo who is the patron god of Ismarus, who was spared during the sacking of Ismarus after this tribute of wine was given. Ismarus is a neighbor of Troy and was sacked soon after the seige ended producing a more time relevant scenario. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.206.105.125 ( talk) 03:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I changed "bucolic style" to "pastoral style." Pastoral and bucolic are generally juxtaposed in genres, with Theocritus being the poet par exemplar of pastoral tradition (he invented it). I also changed "farmers" to "shepherds." Not only is pastoral more concerned with idle shepherds than laboring farmers, but, more to the point, Polyphemus is figured as a shepherd in both of the Idylls he appears in. 97.91.191.87 ( talk) 06:47, 20 April 2009 (UTC)MOB
Apparently this is an amateur painting done by a Wikipedia user. The caption says it depicts Polyphemus, but the subject seems to not be a Cyclops, or even missing an eye. It's confusing to say the least.-- 67.54.192.53 ( talk) 00:32, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
I've redirected Polyphemon here due to this. Hopefully I haven't misunderstood noun pl masc acc. Jack ( talk) 13:17, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
The use of citations to Wikipedia, Wikimedia, Wikipaintings, YouTube, and many of the art gallery links (Web Gallery of Art, Academy Art History, Muian, French Government Culture Site, etc. etc.) are inadequate to support the claims that are being made in the article. References must embody claims made by someone who is not the author of the Wikipedia article. Making the claim that "the Mona Lisa bears a slight smile" requires as reference either a text or vocal assertion bolstering this claim. Simply linking to the painting as a reference requires that the Wikipedia article writer and the reader both have to make personal interpretations of the painting and that's considered original research at Wikipedia. After all, I could make the claim that "the Mona Lisa depicts a woman with a forced smile" or "the Mona Lisa depicts a woman with a confused smile" or any other interpretation and my citation to the image would be equally valid. Paintings and videos depicting characterizations don't make claims. Voice and text make claims. Claims in Wikipedia must be supported by reliable claims of third parties. I've restored the cleanup tags for now. If the above explanation isn't clear I can try to rephrase it. - Thibbs ( talk) 13:36, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
- I've just repaired the improper references. They have all been retained either as images posted to the new gallery or as external links. Some of the external links such as the YouTube links to the 1955 Ulysses film and the modern reenactments of Bononcini's Polifemo may
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1. "Other sources credit them with three children, Celtus, Illyrius and Galas, from whom descend the Celts, the Illyrians and the Gauls respectively."
What are the sources? Please list.
2. "Galatea, who had fled into her native element, returns and changes her dead lover into the spirit of the Sicilian river Acis."
Does "native element" mean she ran back to the sea since she was a sea nymph?
3. The translation of "Fra l'ombre e gl'orrori" to "From horrid shades" is improper. A more accurate translation is "From shades and horrors". The translation of "i ciclopi amanti" as "the amorous cyclops" is awkward. A better translation is "the loving cyclops".
4. The section called "Painting and sculpture" is not in chronological order. I think it should be.
5. The gallery of images at the bottom of the article should also be reorganized in chronological order.
6. From what I read in the article, Polyphemus played the pipes, the flute, the cithara and the syrinx.
What kinds of pipes? Also, did he play anything else?
ICE77 ( talk) 00:55, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
Katolophyromai, thank you for the feedback. ICE77 ( talk) 05:58, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
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Hi all, I asked a native Greek speaker what the name meant, she said it meant "famous", which does not match the article's etymology. I'm not disputing it, but any thoughts on whether 'famous' makes any sense? is it a possible alternative or was she just wrong? 85.211.202.149 ( talk) 20:42, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Recently a considerable amount of new content was added to our article Cyclopes, see sections: "Polyphemus and Galatea", and "Polyphemus' transformation from Homer to Ovid". In my opinion, this article, "Polyphemus", is a more appropriate place for this content. Consequently I've copied the content from those sections to this article. In some cases there was considerable overlap between the old content and the new. I've done my best to carefully integrate this new content.
This represents a considerable expansion to the section "Polyphemus and Galatea" and the addition of the new section "Polyphemus' transformation from Homer to Ovid". I've also completely reviewed the new content, and I believe it is well sourced, and accurately reflects what the cited sources say. I am happy to discuss any of this here, especially with Sweetpool50, who wrote most of the old content, and Bitwixen, who wrote most of the new content.
Paul August ☎ 12:13, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
This section is almost entirely original research. I added a tag. Untitled50reg ( talk) 10:41, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
The lead has this sentence:
The satyr play of Euripides is dependent on this episode apart from one detail; for comic effect, Polyphemus is made a pederast in the play.
I am dubious about the first part since for example there are satyrs present, a second detail. I am dubious about the second part since this "comic effect" seems to me more of a Silenus joke than a Polyphemus joke, which latter the lead seems to suggest. Untitled50reg ( talk) 11:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Sweetpool50:, first you removed the category on account of not being congenital, which is entirely irrelevant as the category is not about congenitally blind people to begin with, then you remove if because 'it's not in all versions', ignoring the fact that it is in the most notable and famous one, the one that people familiar with Polyphemus know at all. Polyphemus' blindness is a defining feature, the same way Artemis' virginity is, even though in some cults in Ephesus she was a fertility goddess. But just like removing Artemis' chaste goddess attribute on account of Ephesus would be silly, so do I see no reason why the main point about Polyphemus should be removed on account of secondary tales. Do you also think 'Characters in the Odyssey' should also be removed because the other myths he stars in are not the Odyssey? Deiadameian ( talk) 13:02, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
But when flight rescued you from certain death, he prowled groaning all over Aetna, groping through the forest, stumbling eyeless on the rocks, stretching his bloodstained arms towards the waves, cursing the race of Greeks: "O for some chance to get Ulixes or some mate of his to vent my rage, whose guts I might devour, whose living limbs my hands might rend, whose blood might sluice my throat and mangled body writhe between my teeth! How slight, how nothing then the loss of sight they ravished!" This and more in frenzy. Horror filled me as I watched his face still soaked with slaughter, his huge hands, those savage hands, his empty sightless eye,
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Any Wikipedia info on California '90s neo-psychedelic band called Polyphemus? I know of two albums of theirs: "Stone House" and "Scrapbook of Madness," both excellent.
I read Robert Fitzgeralds translation, and in it Odyessus and his crew definetly knew the Cyclopes ( called Kyklops in this version) lived in the cave. Odysseus and his men go in, and even though his men protest lingering, and suggest they grab and run Odysseus decides that they stay. There they eat Polyphemus' sheep, and steal his cheese.
The rest here is definetly just my speculation
When Odysseus and his crew came to the island, they had been plundering and pirating (their attack on Ismaros an example). Their coming to Kyklopes island was more of the same. They ate Polyphemus's sheep, which in this he calls his children, and cousins. Also when talking to the Kyklopes, Odysseus lies to him, saying they are shipwrecked and asks for his help. Polyphemus sees through the lie, and a few other lies, with the third eye he's the 'seer of the meaning of things'.
Anyway, the movies always depict the Cyclops as a monster, and I don't think I've ever seen him use language at all. I figure mentioning that Odysseus did know what he was getting in to, and definetly brought some of the trouble on himself.
But, how much of that was speculation, and what could I do to put it into the page?
Why was information about the Radio Tales production of "Homer's Odyssey: Tale of the Cyclops" deleted from the "Other Information" section of this article? The "Homer's Odyssey: Tale of the Cyclops" program was a dramatic radio adaptation of the portion of the Homeric epic in which Polyphemus appears, so it certainly is relevant to the subject matter, and the "Other Information" section includes dramatic adaptations so it seems the right place for the inclusion of this info. Why was it deleted? Soundout ( talk) 01:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
In Sameul Butler's translation of The Odyssey, King Alcinous is not seen until the island of the Phaeacians being that he is the king. This meeting happens many years after Odysseus' encounter with the cyclopes Polyphemus so the wine given to intoxicate the giant could not possibly have come from Alcinous. Butler's translation more correctly points to Maron son of Euthanes, a priest of Apollo who is the patron god of Ismarus, who was spared during the sacking of Ismarus after this tribute of wine was given. Ismarus is a neighbor of Troy and was sacked soon after the seige ended producing a more time relevant scenario. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.206.105.125 ( talk) 03:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I changed "bucolic style" to "pastoral style." Pastoral and bucolic are generally juxtaposed in genres, with Theocritus being the poet par exemplar of pastoral tradition (he invented it). I also changed "farmers" to "shepherds." Not only is pastoral more concerned with idle shepherds than laboring farmers, but, more to the point, Polyphemus is figured as a shepherd in both of the Idylls he appears in. 97.91.191.87 ( talk) 06:47, 20 April 2009 (UTC)MOB
Apparently this is an amateur painting done by a Wikipedia user. The caption says it depicts Polyphemus, but the subject seems to not be a Cyclops, or even missing an eye. It's confusing to say the least.-- 67.54.192.53 ( talk) 00:32, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
I've redirected Polyphemon here due to this. Hopefully I haven't misunderstood noun pl masc acc. Jack ( talk) 13:17, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
The use of citations to Wikipedia, Wikimedia, Wikipaintings, YouTube, and many of the art gallery links (Web Gallery of Art, Academy Art History, Muian, French Government Culture Site, etc. etc.) are inadequate to support the claims that are being made in the article. References must embody claims made by someone who is not the author of the Wikipedia article. Making the claim that "the Mona Lisa bears a slight smile" requires as reference either a text or vocal assertion bolstering this claim. Simply linking to the painting as a reference requires that the Wikipedia article writer and the reader both have to make personal interpretations of the painting and that's considered original research at Wikipedia. After all, I could make the claim that "the Mona Lisa depicts a woman with a forced smile" or "the Mona Lisa depicts a woman with a confused smile" or any other interpretation and my citation to the image would be equally valid. Paintings and videos depicting characterizations don't make claims. Voice and text make claims. Claims in Wikipedia must be supported by reliable claims of third parties. I've restored the cleanup tags for now. If the above explanation isn't clear I can try to rephrase it. - Thibbs ( talk) 13:36, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
- I've just repaired the improper references. They have all been retained either as images posted to the new gallery or as external links. Some of the external links such as the YouTube links to the 1955 Ulysses film and the modern reenactments of Bononcini's Polifemo may
violate copyright and will have to be removed. If anyone objects to the use of the gallery format or any other aspect of this edit, please make additional changes. Please do not simply revert the edit, however, as the previous referencing structure is inappropriate for an encyclopedia (as I indicated four months ago, above). -
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talk)
14:31, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
1. "Other sources credit them with three children, Celtus, Illyrius and Galas, from whom descend the Celts, the Illyrians and the Gauls respectively."
What are the sources? Please list.
2. "Galatea, who had fled into her native element, returns and changes her dead lover into the spirit of the Sicilian river Acis."
Does "native element" mean she ran back to the sea since she was a sea nymph?
3. The translation of "Fra l'ombre e gl'orrori" to "From horrid shades" is improper. A more accurate translation is "From shades and horrors". The translation of "i ciclopi amanti" as "the amorous cyclops" is awkward. A better translation is "the loving cyclops".
4. The section called "Painting and sculpture" is not in chronological order. I think it should be.
5. The gallery of images at the bottom of the article should also be reorganized in chronological order.
6. From what I read in the article, Polyphemus played the pipes, the flute, the cithara and the syrinx.
What kinds of pipes? Also, did he play anything else?
ICE77 ( talk) 00:55, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
Katolophyromai, thank you for the feedback. ICE77 ( talk) 05:58, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
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Hi all, I asked a native Greek speaker what the name meant, she said it meant "famous", which does not match the article's etymology. I'm not disputing it, but any thoughts on whether 'famous' makes any sense? is it a possible alternative or was she just wrong? 85.211.202.149 ( talk) 20:42, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Recently a considerable amount of new content was added to our article Cyclopes, see sections: "Polyphemus and Galatea", and "Polyphemus' transformation from Homer to Ovid". In my opinion, this article, "Polyphemus", is a more appropriate place for this content. Consequently I've copied the content from those sections to this article. In some cases there was considerable overlap between the old content and the new. I've done my best to carefully integrate this new content.
This represents a considerable expansion to the section "Polyphemus and Galatea" and the addition of the new section "Polyphemus' transformation from Homer to Ovid". I've also completely reviewed the new content, and I believe it is well sourced, and accurately reflects what the cited sources say. I am happy to discuss any of this here, especially with Sweetpool50, who wrote most of the old content, and Bitwixen, who wrote most of the new content.
Paul August ☎ 12:13, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
This section is almost entirely original research. I added a tag. Untitled50reg ( talk) 10:41, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
The lead has this sentence:
The satyr play of Euripides is dependent on this episode apart from one detail; for comic effect, Polyphemus is made a pederast in the play.
I am dubious about the first part since for example there are satyrs present, a second detail. I am dubious about the second part since this "comic effect" seems to me more of a Silenus joke than a Polyphemus joke, which latter the lead seems to suggest. Untitled50reg ( talk) 11:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Sweetpool50:, first you removed the category on account of not being congenital, which is entirely irrelevant as the category is not about congenitally blind people to begin with, then you remove if because 'it's not in all versions', ignoring the fact that it is in the most notable and famous one, the one that people familiar with Polyphemus know at all. Polyphemus' blindness is a defining feature, the same way Artemis' virginity is, even though in some cults in Ephesus she was a fertility goddess. But just like removing Artemis' chaste goddess attribute on account of Ephesus would be silly, so do I see no reason why the main point about Polyphemus should be removed on account of secondary tales. Do you also think 'Characters in the Odyssey' should also be removed because the other myths he stars in are not the Odyssey? Deiadameian ( talk) 13:02, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
But when flight rescued you from certain death, he prowled groaning all over Aetna, groping through the forest, stumbling eyeless on the rocks, stretching his bloodstained arms towards the waves, cursing the race of Greeks: "O for some chance to get Ulixes or some mate of his to vent my rage, whose guts I might devour, whose living limbs my hands might rend, whose blood might sluice my throat and mangled body writhe between my teeth! How slight, how nothing then the loss of sight they ravished!" This and more in frenzy. Horror filled me as I watched his face still soaked with slaughter, his huge hands, those savage hands, his empty sightless eye,