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Did Angelo Poliziano write a poem on the theme of "The Birth of Venus" that inspired Botticelli to create his famous lyrical image now at the Uffizi, Florence, Italy? Bob Burgan, aka. www.bobyourlifepreserver.blogspot.com email: rburgan@verizon.net
Generally, it is thought, in scholarship, that there is a link between his poem, La Giostra, on the joust of Giuliano de' Medici and Botticelli's paintings, usually specifically Mars and Venus, Primavera and The Birth of Venus. Part of this discussion is the fact that Simonetta Vespucci is often believed to be the subject of these paintings, also both attended and is the main protagonist of the poem. Rtmisst ( talk) 17:40, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
I noticed that "Politian" redirects here. That's also the name of an unfinished play by Edgar Allan Poe. Currently, there's a page called Scenes From 'Politian' but I was hoping we could have a disambig page here - though I'm not sure how to do it. Midnightdreary 17:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Do we know if his relationship to Savonarola changed shortly before he was (perhap) poisoned? Weinstein says that "he spent the last weeks before his death...as a lay brother of San Marco." (Savonarola and Florence, note 105, p21) Is this evidence enough? If you join Savonarola's convent at this time then surely you are on his side. Walker (The Ancient Theology p42) and Weinstein both count Poliziano as the most surprising of all the Laurentians (i.e the Academy gathered by the now dead Lorenzo) to (abandoning Ficino and) go over to Savonarola. Now, if he did go over to Savonarola at the time of the French invasion, and we now know he was killed by Medici agents, then the conversion of Pico's friend (and lover?) before his murder is of some interest to his story; and also of some interest to the history of the demise of the Florentine Academy generally. There continues to be a reluctance to admit that these fathers of the Renaissance could come under the spell of such an apocalyptic preacher. And now...perhaps we know that two of them paid with their lives for doing so. If we have no more evidence, then I would suggest a note on Poliziano entering the convent (ref Weinstein) might be worth including; and it might be a nice counterpoint to the reference to Meltzoff's book (which I have not read) as an excellent portrayal of Poliziano's "opposition to Savonarola" (which is not in dispute!). The Bernmeister ( talk) 02:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was do not move. kotra ( talk) 23:30, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Poliziano → Politian — The title of this page is (quite sensibly) Politian's nickname. Wouldn't it be better to use the English form of that nickname, as we use Raphael and leave Raffaello to be a redirect? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:50, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
We should follow the usage of other works of general reference, and commonly available sources:
Enough. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:45, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Knepflerle ( talk) 17:31, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Firstly: [8] is an abuse of rollback for a non-vandalistic edit. Secondly, my suggested version does not "disguise" anything - both names are mentioned in bold straight after the first name. Knepflerle ( talk) 17:51, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
On a more constructive note - is the "article's factual accuracy" still disputed? If not, can we get rid of that tag at the very least? Knepflerle ( talk) 18:03, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
The article suggests that Poliziano died shortly after his friend and patron, Lorenzo il Magnifico died. Lorenzo de'Medici died in fact two years before Poliziano's death, on April 9, 1492.
If you read the lead, you'll see that is says that: "[Poliziano's] scholarship led to the Renaissance revival of classical Latin, a phenomenon sometimes called "Humanist Latin"." This is complete nonsense, isn't it? Poliziano was clearly part of the Humanist movement, but it had been active for many years before him, and he certainly wasn't the only one among his contemporaries to try to revive Latin. See for example: Lorenzo Valla, Antonio Beccadelli (poet), Petrarch, or just the article on Renaissance Humanism.
Bahnheckl ( talk) 14:01, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Fixed... Bahnheckl ( talk) 14:18, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi everyone. Your dramas have locked me out :).
Can someone add Quint's translation of the Stanze to the bibliography thus:
* {{cite book|last=Quint|first=David L.|title=The Stanze of Angelo Poliziano|year=2005|publisher=[[Penn State University Press]]|isbn=978-0271028712}}
Thanks. 185.29.167.60 ( talk) 21:17, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
The Orfeo written by Politian was not that performed at Mantua to music by Monteverdi. The libretto for that work was provided by Alessandro Striggio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.221.249.50 ( talk) 19:08, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
It is noted that "He may also have been a lover of Pico della Mirandola.[11]" with ink to page 3 of "the Ugly R.". Well, it is totally not true, it is mentioned there that Pico's lover was Girolamo Benivieni, not Poliziano. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.178.85.70 ( talk) 13:08, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
As referenced on the talk page for Lorenzo de' Medici, there is a strong argument there was no formal Platonic Academy. Should we change this on Poliziano's page as well, which references him teaching at said Academy? Rtmisst ( talk) 15:18, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
...here ( permalink):
...allusions within his work (most notably the Orfeo)...
I guess the somewhat surprising wikilink to Monteverdi/Striggio's (rather than Poliziano's) Orfeo may originally have been based on the mention of Poliziano's work under ==Historical background==, and I think a link to
L'Orfeo#Historical background
could be marginally preferable.
I was about to make this small change myself when I found that this page appears to be at least semi-protected for some reason. Wondering whether the protection is still really necessary. 86.186.120.235 ( talk) 15:38, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
The scholar Edgar Lobel calls him Politian in his "The Greek Manuscripts of Aristotle's Poetics" (Oxford 1833) 86.158.148.12 ( talk) 20:45, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
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Did Angelo Poliziano write a poem on the theme of "The Birth of Venus" that inspired Botticelli to create his famous lyrical image now at the Uffizi, Florence, Italy? Bob Burgan, aka. www.bobyourlifepreserver.blogspot.com email: rburgan@verizon.net
Generally, it is thought, in scholarship, that there is a link between his poem, La Giostra, on the joust of Giuliano de' Medici and Botticelli's paintings, usually specifically Mars and Venus, Primavera and The Birth of Venus. Part of this discussion is the fact that Simonetta Vespucci is often believed to be the subject of these paintings, also both attended and is the main protagonist of the poem. Rtmisst ( talk) 17:40, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
I noticed that "Politian" redirects here. That's also the name of an unfinished play by Edgar Allan Poe. Currently, there's a page called Scenes From 'Politian' but I was hoping we could have a disambig page here - though I'm not sure how to do it. Midnightdreary 17:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Do we know if his relationship to Savonarola changed shortly before he was (perhap) poisoned? Weinstein says that "he spent the last weeks before his death...as a lay brother of San Marco." (Savonarola and Florence, note 105, p21) Is this evidence enough? If you join Savonarola's convent at this time then surely you are on his side. Walker (The Ancient Theology p42) and Weinstein both count Poliziano as the most surprising of all the Laurentians (i.e the Academy gathered by the now dead Lorenzo) to (abandoning Ficino and) go over to Savonarola. Now, if he did go over to Savonarola at the time of the French invasion, and we now know he was killed by Medici agents, then the conversion of Pico's friend (and lover?) before his murder is of some interest to his story; and also of some interest to the history of the demise of the Florentine Academy generally. There continues to be a reluctance to admit that these fathers of the Renaissance could come under the spell of such an apocalyptic preacher. And now...perhaps we know that two of them paid with their lives for doing so. If we have no more evidence, then I would suggest a note on Poliziano entering the convent (ref Weinstein) might be worth including; and it might be a nice counterpoint to the reference to Meltzoff's book (which I have not read) as an excellent portrayal of Poliziano's "opposition to Savonarola" (which is not in dispute!). The Bernmeister ( talk) 02:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was do not move. kotra ( talk) 23:30, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Poliziano → Politian — The title of this page is (quite sensibly) Politian's nickname. Wouldn't it be better to use the English form of that nickname, as we use Raphael and leave Raffaello to be a redirect? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:50, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
We should follow the usage of other works of general reference, and commonly available sources:
Enough. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:45, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Knepflerle ( talk) 17:31, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Firstly: [8] is an abuse of rollback for a non-vandalistic edit. Secondly, my suggested version does not "disguise" anything - both names are mentioned in bold straight after the first name. Knepflerle ( talk) 17:51, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
On a more constructive note - is the "article's factual accuracy" still disputed? If not, can we get rid of that tag at the very least? Knepflerle ( talk) 18:03, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
The article suggests that Poliziano died shortly after his friend and patron, Lorenzo il Magnifico died. Lorenzo de'Medici died in fact two years before Poliziano's death, on April 9, 1492.
If you read the lead, you'll see that is says that: "[Poliziano's] scholarship led to the Renaissance revival of classical Latin, a phenomenon sometimes called "Humanist Latin"." This is complete nonsense, isn't it? Poliziano was clearly part of the Humanist movement, but it had been active for many years before him, and he certainly wasn't the only one among his contemporaries to try to revive Latin. See for example: Lorenzo Valla, Antonio Beccadelli (poet), Petrarch, or just the article on Renaissance Humanism.
Bahnheckl ( talk) 14:01, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Fixed... Bahnheckl ( talk) 14:18, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi everyone. Your dramas have locked me out :).
Can someone add Quint's translation of the Stanze to the bibliography thus:
* {{cite book|last=Quint|first=David L.|title=The Stanze of Angelo Poliziano|year=2005|publisher=[[Penn State University Press]]|isbn=978-0271028712}}
Thanks. 185.29.167.60 ( talk) 21:17, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
The Orfeo written by Politian was not that performed at Mantua to music by Monteverdi. The libretto for that work was provided by Alessandro Striggio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.221.249.50 ( talk) 19:08, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
It is noted that "He may also have been a lover of Pico della Mirandola.[11]" with ink to page 3 of "the Ugly R.". Well, it is totally not true, it is mentioned there that Pico's lover was Girolamo Benivieni, not Poliziano. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.178.85.70 ( talk) 13:08, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
As referenced on the talk page for Lorenzo de' Medici, there is a strong argument there was no formal Platonic Academy. Should we change this on Poliziano's page as well, which references him teaching at said Academy? Rtmisst ( talk) 15:18, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
...here ( permalink):
...allusions within his work (most notably the Orfeo)...
I guess the somewhat surprising wikilink to Monteverdi/Striggio's (rather than Poliziano's) Orfeo may originally have been based on the mention of Poliziano's work under ==Historical background==, and I think a link to
L'Orfeo#Historical background
could be marginally preferable.
I was about to make this small change myself when I found that this page appears to be at least semi-protected for some reason. Wondering whether the protection is still really necessary. 86.186.120.235 ( talk) 15:38, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
The scholar Edgar Lobel calls him Politian in his "The Greek Manuscripts of Aristotle's Poetics" (Oxford 1833) 86.158.148.12 ( talk) 20:45, 19 September 2023 (UTC)