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Please can someone provide me urgently with some information about the historical development of this alphabet. When, and by whom was it standardised, or was this a gradual process over many centuries? Mattwhiteski 15:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
How does one pronounce pies? /pʲɛs/, /pʲi̯ɛs/ or /pi̯ɛs/? Two issues: Does the i palatalize the /p/? If so, does the i disappear from pronunciation as in dnia or does one hear it? -- Iopq 10:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
pʲes] - i is used only to palatalize p and [ε] becomes [e] after a palatalized consonant.
Perhaps, if someone knows, a section, or link on how to produce these symbols in LaTeX would be useful. Thehalfone 11:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
There is a comment that rż denotes [rʐ] (r+ż). I think a comment that rz (which is usually a single sound [ʐ] (or [ʂ])) can sometimes denote [rz] (r+z); e.g. zmarznie [ˈzmarzɲɛ] 'she/he will get chilled'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeziorko ( talk • contribs) 21:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Somewhere between the alphabet and the phonology articles there were more allophones of the nasals. Pronunciations like [ɛɯ̯̃]Where did those go? - iopq ( talk) 20:30, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
The table in this section seems incorrect. The pronunciation of 'Mania' (name) and 'mania' (noun) is the same. There is no difference. I am native speaker of Polish and I have never met any difference both in colloquial and official speech. Neither in theater nor in pubs :-) Xpicto ( talk) 10:33, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
The article severely lacks references. It looks like someone just wrote their thoughts based on being a native speaker without any phonological knowledge or citing sources. Here are my issues:
Again, these are just my observations and I don't have any sources (although I could find some); but neither does the author. The article is in a really poor condition, IMO, totally unsourced and with some parts written in broken English (the letter ⟨y⟩ is unspoken?). It should be reworked.
The Polish alphabet article is redundant and links to this article for the details of the alphabet in many instances. I propose we merge them. – anlztrk ( talk) 08:53, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
The Spelling rules section states that ą can be pronounced /ɔw̃/, [ɔn], [ɔŋ], [ɔm], and ę can be pronounced /ɛw̃/, [ɛn], [ɛŋ], [ɛm]. The table then points to the Nasal vowels section, but that section doesn't explain which of [ɔn], [ɔŋ] or [ɔm] is ą pronounced (same for ę). I think Ą#Pronunciation and Ę#Pronunciation have a great table that concisely lists out which pronunciation is used based on the following letter, but those list out [ɔj̃] and [ɛj̃] as well. Is it possible to write the Nasal vowels sections more clearly? 86.187.237.130 ( talk) 19:25, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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Please can someone provide me urgently with some information about the historical development of this alphabet. When, and by whom was it standardised, or was this a gradual process over many centuries? Mattwhiteski 15:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
How does one pronounce pies? /pʲɛs/, /pʲi̯ɛs/ or /pi̯ɛs/? Two issues: Does the i palatalize the /p/? If so, does the i disappear from pronunciation as in dnia or does one hear it? -- Iopq 10:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
pʲes] - i is used only to palatalize p and [ε] becomes [e] after a palatalized consonant.
Perhaps, if someone knows, a section, or link on how to produce these symbols in LaTeX would be useful. Thehalfone 11:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
There is a comment that rż denotes [rʐ] (r+ż). I think a comment that rz (which is usually a single sound [ʐ] (or [ʂ])) can sometimes denote [rz] (r+z); e.g. zmarznie [ˈzmarzɲɛ] 'she/he will get chilled'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeziorko ( talk • contribs) 21:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Somewhere between the alphabet and the phonology articles there were more allophones of the nasals. Pronunciations like [ɛɯ̯̃]Where did those go? - iopq ( talk) 20:30, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
The table in this section seems incorrect. The pronunciation of 'Mania' (name) and 'mania' (noun) is the same. There is no difference. I am native speaker of Polish and I have never met any difference both in colloquial and official speech. Neither in theater nor in pubs :-) Xpicto ( talk) 10:33, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
The article severely lacks references. It looks like someone just wrote their thoughts based on being a native speaker without any phonological knowledge or citing sources. Here are my issues:
Again, these are just my observations and I don't have any sources (although I could find some); but neither does the author. The article is in a really poor condition, IMO, totally unsourced and with some parts written in broken English (the letter ⟨y⟩ is unspoken?). It should be reworked.
The Polish alphabet article is redundant and links to this article for the details of the alphabet in many instances. I propose we merge them. – anlztrk ( talk) 08:53, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
The Spelling rules section states that ą can be pronounced /ɔw̃/, [ɔn], [ɔŋ], [ɔm], and ę can be pronounced /ɛw̃/, [ɛn], [ɛŋ], [ɛm]. The table then points to the Nasal vowels section, but that section doesn't explain which of [ɔn], [ɔŋ] or [ɔm] is ą pronounced (same for ę). I think Ą#Pronunciation and Ę#Pronunciation have a great table that concisely lists out which pronunciation is used based on the following letter, but those list out [ɔj̃] and [ɛj̃] as well. Is it possible to write the Nasal vowels sections more clearly? 86.187.237.130 ( talk) 19:25, 17 January 2024 (UTC)