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Polish-language sources (and Polish Wikipedia) call the affair pl:Afera wizowa, which would translate to "Visa affair/scandal". English-language sources either refer to it as "Visa scandal" [1], as "Cash-for-visa scandal" [2] [3] [4] [5] (or its variant "Cash-for-visas scandal" [6] [7]) or as "Cash-for-visa scheme" [8].
The neologism Visagate, while used here to translate titles from Polish-language media, doesn't seem to appear in the sources themselves either in English or Polish.
Should we:
In either case, should we:
Chaotic Enby ( talk) 10:34, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
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Jala
peño🔥
08:44, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved per WP:AVALANCHE. ( non-admin closure) Deauthorized. ( talk) 23:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
Cash-for-visa scandal → Polish cash-for-visa scandal – Also open to suggestions for other alternatives. But as expressed by several commentators under the above discussion, "Cash-for-visa scandal" is a generic descriptive term that fails the recognizability and precision WP:CRITERIA. Even if Wikipedia currently has no other articles about similar scandals elsewhere, the article title needs to be something that adequately helps the reader identify the topic, which the current title isn't. Paul_012 ( talk) 17:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
The article says,
The scandal is also at odds with the ruling party's strong anti-immigrant rhetoric, frequently claiming that Poland will be overrun by illegal immigrants if the opposition comes to power
A source from the Luxembourg Times is cited, however the source itself does not say this is at odds with the ruling party's anti-immigrant rhetoric. Nevertheless, up until this citation, the Wikipedia article suggests that the Polish government is issuing these visas so that immigrants can leave Poland for more desirable locations like Germany. I've removed the "at odds" comment but I think its inclusion should be further debated. 675930s ( talk) 12:12, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should we add "in Poland" to the start of this article?
Here is my proposal for adding the country in which this scandal is mainly focused:
− | The cash-for-visa scandal (Polish: afera wizowa, lit. 'visa affair') is an ongoing political scandal [...] | + | The cash-for-visa scandal (Polish: afera wizowa, lit. 'visa affair') is an ongoing political scandal in Poland [...] |
Should we add this? 🔥 Jala peño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 14:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
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Visa affair has been listed at
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Fork99 (
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22:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: I note that this is from a page move, however if this title ever becomes ambiguous in the future, we can deal with that in the future I think.
Fork99 ( talk) 23:01, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
The redirect
Visa scandal has been listed at
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Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 26 § Visa scandal until a consensus is reached.
Fork99 (
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23:08, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Cash-for-visa_scheme&redirect=no
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Cash-for-visa_affair&redirect=no
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Cash-for-visa_scandal&redirect=no
This practice isn't unique to Poland so why does it redirect to this article? Oneequalsequalsone ( talk) 21:10, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
what a joke - sources are polish left wing sites like onet with one point of view. There was less than 600 visas, not even thousend — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.21.246.59 ( talk) 21:01, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
Referenced articles doesn't mention information that they are brought as source at all, this being no source to informations referenced. Poor manipulation of facts and fraud counting on lack of knowledge of polish language to english speaking recepients of the article 2A00:F41:484C:14C2:0:55:AFAA:E101 ( talk) 15:52, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
![]() | A news item involving Polish cash-for-visa scandal was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 25 September 2023. | ![]() |
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![]() | On 25 September 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Cash-for-visa scandal to Polish cash-for-visa scandal. The result of the discussion was moved. |
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Polish-language sources (and Polish Wikipedia) call the affair pl:Afera wizowa, which would translate to "Visa affair/scandal". English-language sources either refer to it as "Visa scandal" [1], as "Cash-for-visa scandal" [2] [3] [4] [5] (or its variant "Cash-for-visas scandal" [6] [7]) or as "Cash-for-visa scheme" [8].
The neologism Visagate, while used here to translate titles from Polish-language media, doesn't seem to appear in the sources themselves either in English or Polish.
Should we:
In either case, should we:
Chaotic Enby ( talk) 10:34, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
The redirect
Visagate has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 20 § Visagate until a consensus is reached. 🔥
Jala
peño🔥
08:44, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved per WP:AVALANCHE. ( non-admin closure) Deauthorized. ( talk) 23:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
Cash-for-visa scandal → Polish cash-for-visa scandal – Also open to suggestions for other alternatives. But as expressed by several commentators under the above discussion, "Cash-for-visa scandal" is a generic descriptive term that fails the recognizability and precision WP:CRITERIA. Even if Wikipedia currently has no other articles about similar scandals elsewhere, the article title needs to be something that adequately helps the reader identify the topic, which the current title isn't. Paul_012 ( talk) 17:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
The article says,
The scandal is also at odds with the ruling party's strong anti-immigrant rhetoric, frequently claiming that Poland will be overrun by illegal immigrants if the opposition comes to power
A source from the Luxembourg Times is cited, however the source itself does not say this is at odds with the ruling party's anti-immigrant rhetoric. Nevertheless, up until this citation, the Wikipedia article suggests that the Polish government is issuing these visas so that immigrants can leave Poland for more desirable locations like Germany. I've removed the "at odds" comment but I think its inclusion should be further debated. 675930s ( talk) 12:12, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should we add "in Poland" to the start of this article?
Here is my proposal for adding the country in which this scandal is mainly focused:
− | The cash-for-visa scandal (Polish: afera wizowa, lit. 'visa affair') is an ongoing political scandal [...] | + | The cash-for-visa scandal (Polish: afera wizowa, lit. 'visa affair') is an ongoing political scandal in Poland [...] |
Should we add this? 🔥 Jala peño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 14:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
The redirect
Visa affair has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 26 § Visa affair until a consensus is reached.
Fork99 (
talk)
22:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: I note that this is from a page move, however if this title ever becomes ambiguous in the future, we can deal with that in the future I think.
Fork99 ( talk) 23:01, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
The redirect
Visa scandal has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 26 § Visa scandal until a consensus is reached.
Fork99 (
talk)
23:08, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Cash-for-visa_scheme&redirect=no
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Cash-for-visa_affair&redirect=no
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Cash-for-visa_scandal&redirect=no
This practice isn't unique to Poland so why does it redirect to this article? Oneequalsequalsone ( talk) 21:10, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
what a joke - sources are polish left wing sites like onet with one point of view. There was less than 600 visas, not even thousend — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.21.246.59 ( talk) 21:01, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
Referenced articles doesn't mention information that they are brought as source at all, this being no source to informations referenced. Poor manipulation of facts and fraud counting on lack of knowledge of polish language to english speaking recepients of the article 2A00:F41:484C:14C2:0:55:AFAA:E101 ( talk) 15:52, 23 February 2024 (UTC)