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To what extent would there have been steam-engine pumping of the mines in the context of the stories? 'Cutting edge technology', something expensive happening elsewhere or what? Would the landowners be discussing the latest agricultural improvements? And to what extent would the characters have been speaking Cornish (as well as or instead of English)? Jackiespeel ( talk) 22:51, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Thomas Savery's "Engine for raising water by fire" made it first appearance in the 1690s. Savery was a Devon man so the use of his engine in Cornwall is possible, if not probable in very small workings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.20.39.218 ( talk) 13:16, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Given that the series is set in 'the 1780s' one would expect some reference to the British general election, 1780, George III, the first stages of the Industrial and Agricultural Revolutions (given 'the presence of amounts of ironstone' complained about a mention of Henry Cort as 'a possibility if the finance could be found'), and the Affair of the Diamond Necklace/other events in France. Cornwall may have been geographically isolated, but news and developments would have reached them and been discussed. Jackiespeel ( talk) 17:06, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
If the series is set in the 1780s, by this time, English had replaced Cornish as the language in common use. Dolly Pentreath, who is popularly believed to be the last fluent Cornish speaker, died in 1790 or thereabouts and though it is accepted that there were a handful of Cornish speakers living into the beginning of the nineteenth century, there were no monoglot speakers at this time and English was the language of all classes. Dialect words and phrases would have remained in use and indeed, were still in common use up to recent times. Sadly now, only the older generation understand and use them and in a few years time, they will doubtless die out completely.
Should there be a separate article or should the heading of this article reflect that it covers two years' series? Jackiespeel ( talk) 18:35, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
I was surprised by this abrupt change by Drmargi, which ascribes American input to this 100% true-blue British TV series. I have examined the (Poldark Series 1) end credits for Episode 7, which state that:
Therefore, unless Drmargi can fully justify her edits, it would appear reasonable to revert Poldark to its correct status as a British TV series, and to limit names in the infobox to significant and verifiable participants. Bjenks ( talk) 09:52, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
The credits are verification, and satisfy WP:VERIFY. We routinely use credits to verify casting and other screen credits. I've also corrected the article so that all three production concerns are listed, not just Mammoth Screen. This sounds like a case of "I don't like it!" more than anything. -- Drmargi ( talk) 16:53, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
I dropped my protest because the credits do indeed cite Masterpiece, but it would still be great to have a more tangible citation in the article. The British-American status is being repeatedly challenged. I've placed a hidden note to hopefully inform editors, but with things they way they are it is completely understandable that new editors challenge it.— TAnthony Talk 00:16, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Subsequent to the above, there has been extended discussion here, here and here about the nationality of television series, with particular reference to British series such as Downton Abbey that are financially supported by and shown in the US under the PBS Masterpiece brand. Consequentially the television MoS now rests upon direct referencing and the exercise of creative control as the determinants of the nationality (country of origin). In the case of Poldark, this enables a resolution of the above discussion based on the revised MoS, with its nationality as a British series confirmed by referencing Netflix [1], Hollywood Reporter [2], the series's Facebook page [3], and CNN [4], as well as Amazon, digitalspy, VisionTV Canada, yourtv Australia, and a host of British RS. That creative control sat in the UK is widely recognised and confirmed by interviews with PBS executives. MapReader ( talk) 12:00, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
What languages/dialects would the characters have been using?
To what extent would the upper/middling/professional classes have used English by preference and Cornish as a second 'modern' language, with Latin as a reading language, and the 'working classes' the reverse - and would the smugglers have known Breton or French?
And would the characters have caught cowpox or been inoculated with it (as this was current new medical technology)? Jackiespeel ( talk) 17:33, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Jenner carried out the first experimental cowpox inoculation (against smallpox) in 1796, but it didn't come into widespread use till the 1840s. Nasty outbreaks of various diseases do figure in the Poldark stories and the characters would probably still be very afraid of smallpox. The last native speakers of Cornish, down in the Penzance area some way from the Poldark location at Perranporth, were dying out by the 1790s and everyone spoke English, though some Cornish phrases were still used. The only Cornish word you hear nowadays is 'emmets', which is what the Cornish call tourists, though it literally means 'ants'. Khamba Tendal ( talk) 12:10, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
TAnthony Why does it matter the order in which characters are listed in the credits when listing them in this article? It is a lot easier to understand the list if names are grouped as the characters are connected (e. g., the Poldark families). Or to list the cast in alphabetic order by character name or by actor name, so the names can be found. Is this some sort of Wikipedia policy, to force the order of character names? -- Prairieplant ( talk) 16:12, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
The cast listing should be ordered according to the original broadcast credits, with new cast members being added to the end of the list.Some older articles may not reflect this at the moment, but most current articles should.— TAnthony Talk 16:44, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
The article needs to show the critical reception and reviews for the series. I encourage users to find notable references such as the NY Time's review for the first season and place it in said article. NowIsntItTime 20:44, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
This article has been reverted several times in the last month (search the page history for 'undid'), but there is nothing posted on this talk page since 1 August. If there are diffeences of opinion, surely they can be explained . Admins may have to resort to various forms of protection if reverts continue and nobody will discuss here. Thanks, EdJohnston ( talk) 16:18, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
The current Production subheading speaks of the 2019 Series 5 in the future tense, that it will be written and it will be made. At this time, it has been made and has been broadcast. So this should be amended and perhaps updated with information about 2020 and Series 6? If there is to be one?? 70.27.171.169 ( talk) 19:53, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
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To what extent would there have been steam-engine pumping of the mines in the context of the stories? 'Cutting edge technology', something expensive happening elsewhere or what? Would the landowners be discussing the latest agricultural improvements? And to what extent would the characters have been speaking Cornish (as well as or instead of English)? Jackiespeel ( talk) 22:51, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Thomas Savery's "Engine for raising water by fire" made it first appearance in the 1690s. Savery was a Devon man so the use of his engine in Cornwall is possible, if not probable in very small workings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.20.39.218 ( talk) 13:16, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Given that the series is set in 'the 1780s' one would expect some reference to the British general election, 1780, George III, the first stages of the Industrial and Agricultural Revolutions (given 'the presence of amounts of ironstone' complained about a mention of Henry Cort as 'a possibility if the finance could be found'), and the Affair of the Diamond Necklace/other events in France. Cornwall may have been geographically isolated, but news and developments would have reached them and been discussed. Jackiespeel ( talk) 17:06, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
If the series is set in the 1780s, by this time, English had replaced Cornish as the language in common use. Dolly Pentreath, who is popularly believed to be the last fluent Cornish speaker, died in 1790 or thereabouts and though it is accepted that there were a handful of Cornish speakers living into the beginning of the nineteenth century, there were no monoglot speakers at this time and English was the language of all classes. Dialect words and phrases would have remained in use and indeed, were still in common use up to recent times. Sadly now, only the older generation understand and use them and in a few years time, they will doubtless die out completely.
Should there be a separate article or should the heading of this article reflect that it covers two years' series? Jackiespeel ( talk) 18:35, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
I was surprised by this abrupt change by Drmargi, which ascribes American input to this 100% true-blue British TV series. I have examined the (Poldark Series 1) end credits for Episode 7, which state that:
Therefore, unless Drmargi can fully justify her edits, it would appear reasonable to revert Poldark to its correct status as a British TV series, and to limit names in the infobox to significant and verifiable participants. Bjenks ( talk) 09:52, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
The credits are verification, and satisfy WP:VERIFY. We routinely use credits to verify casting and other screen credits. I've also corrected the article so that all three production concerns are listed, not just Mammoth Screen. This sounds like a case of "I don't like it!" more than anything. -- Drmargi ( talk) 16:53, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
I dropped my protest because the credits do indeed cite Masterpiece, but it would still be great to have a more tangible citation in the article. The British-American status is being repeatedly challenged. I've placed a hidden note to hopefully inform editors, but with things they way they are it is completely understandable that new editors challenge it.— TAnthony Talk 00:16, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Subsequent to the above, there has been extended discussion here, here and here about the nationality of television series, with particular reference to British series such as Downton Abbey that are financially supported by and shown in the US under the PBS Masterpiece brand. Consequentially the television MoS now rests upon direct referencing and the exercise of creative control as the determinants of the nationality (country of origin). In the case of Poldark, this enables a resolution of the above discussion based on the revised MoS, with its nationality as a British series confirmed by referencing Netflix [1], Hollywood Reporter [2], the series's Facebook page [3], and CNN [4], as well as Amazon, digitalspy, VisionTV Canada, yourtv Australia, and a host of British RS. That creative control sat in the UK is widely recognised and confirmed by interviews with PBS executives. MapReader ( talk) 12:00, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
What languages/dialects would the characters have been using?
To what extent would the upper/middling/professional classes have used English by preference and Cornish as a second 'modern' language, with Latin as a reading language, and the 'working classes' the reverse - and would the smugglers have known Breton or French?
And would the characters have caught cowpox or been inoculated with it (as this was current new medical technology)? Jackiespeel ( talk) 17:33, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Jenner carried out the first experimental cowpox inoculation (against smallpox) in 1796, but it didn't come into widespread use till the 1840s. Nasty outbreaks of various diseases do figure in the Poldark stories and the characters would probably still be very afraid of smallpox. The last native speakers of Cornish, down in the Penzance area some way from the Poldark location at Perranporth, were dying out by the 1790s and everyone spoke English, though some Cornish phrases were still used. The only Cornish word you hear nowadays is 'emmets', which is what the Cornish call tourists, though it literally means 'ants'. Khamba Tendal ( talk) 12:10, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
TAnthony Why does it matter the order in which characters are listed in the credits when listing them in this article? It is a lot easier to understand the list if names are grouped as the characters are connected (e. g., the Poldark families). Or to list the cast in alphabetic order by character name or by actor name, so the names can be found. Is this some sort of Wikipedia policy, to force the order of character names? -- Prairieplant ( talk) 16:12, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
The cast listing should be ordered according to the original broadcast credits, with new cast members being added to the end of the list.Some older articles may not reflect this at the moment, but most current articles should.— TAnthony Talk 16:44, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
The article needs to show the critical reception and reviews for the series. I encourage users to find notable references such as the NY Time's review for the first season and place it in said article. NowIsntItTime 20:44, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
This article has been reverted several times in the last month (search the page history for 'undid'), but there is nothing posted on this talk page since 1 August. If there are diffeences of opinion, surely they can be explained . Admins may have to resort to various forms of protection if reverts continue and nobody will discuss here. Thanks, EdJohnston ( talk) 16:18, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
The current Production subheading speaks of the 2019 Series 5 in the future tense, that it will be written and it will be made. At this time, it has been made and has been broadcast. So this should be amended and perhaps updated with information about 2020 and Series 6? If there is to be one?? 70.27.171.169 ( talk) 19:53, 15 January 2020 (UTC)