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I always hate to be contrary, but why did you (UtherSRG) reformat the taxobox in a way that is inconsistent with all the other taxoboxes at Wikipedia and call it an "update" ? The format you used is (IMHO) not at all an improvement and can cause difficulty to follow in many situation since you are essentially removing centering from the title boxes and centering the text/list boxes. This approach will not work without considerable effort on taxoboxes with long or complex listings of taxa. Also, it is generally standard practice to center things like titles and pictures and not center following text; or not center anything. - Marshman 18:48, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Is it true that the grasses grow from the bottom, while other plants grow from the top? AxelBoldt 09:08, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I would like to merge the species list of Poaceae inside the taxobox of this article... Qwertzy2
This article needs to contain information about when, where and how grass appeared.
What type of grass is found in parks and lawns? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kisch ( talk • contribs) .
All of them I guess - I think the 'cultivation and use' section should deal with uses other than for food, but I know nothing about it. Kisch
Would someone familiar with the details of both American and British English please explicate the typically confusing differences in terminology.
Is "corn" a British equivalent to "cereal"? Make "maize" into "maize (American English corn). Where does the word "grain" stand in relation to "corn"/"cereal".
Would someone familiar with the details of both American and British English please explicate the typically confusing differences in terminology.
Is "corn" a British equivalent to "cereal"? Make "maize" into "maize (American English corn). Where does the word "grain" stand in relation to "corn"/"cereal".
I was taught (in England) that, at one time, "corn" simply meant the primary grain used for flour production. In England, this was wheat, in parts of Scotland, it was rye, and in much of the Americas it was maize. As North American usage became more prevalent, the interpretation of corn as meaning maize has become more common.
"Cereal grasses" is a useful but vague phrase. It generally refers to the members of the wheatgrass tribe (Triticeae) that are used for baking and flour production - wheats, rye, and barley. I don't think it is usually used to refer to corn/maize, rice, or teff - or the other grasses that are used for baking in other parts of the world - but that could be simply because I have only worked in parts of the world where the primary flour-producing grasses are the wheatgrasses. "Cereal" can also be used to refer to non-grasses that are used for flour - buckwheat etc. It is a vague but useful word.
Grain generally means a dry, starchy seed or fruit that one grinds to make flour. Technically, in grasses, this would be the fruit (a caryopsis) which is inseparable from the seed. It is also sometimes used to refer to dry fruits/seeds of plants, such as buckwheat, that are not grasses.
In reference to grasses: grain is a much easier term than caryopsis; fruit, a logical alternative, conjures up images of fleshy things like apricots, plums, and oranges; seed is probably not used simply because people tend to think of seeds as things that are inside something else - and it is impossible to get the seed out of a grass grain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mary Barkworth ( talk • contribs) 13:21, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Edit conflict!
I'm having trouble with grains being described in "northern Asia" (formerly "northern Eurasia") as I don't think of Siberia as a major wheat belt. Perhaps "Europe and western Asia" would be clearer.
In general I was having problems with the geographical descriptions -- one crop per region -- as of course today the US for example produces everything. I tried to alter that to "Historically..." but got overridden.
Perhaps something like "primary" or "leading" crops would clarify that.
I dissected a wheat spike and made the three pictures Spica_spiculae.pgn, Anatomia.png and Spicula_dissecta.png that are in the Commons. They were SVGs, but I couldn't upload them properly and so I converted them to PNGs. I think that a more detailed desciption of the peculiar flower/fruit of Poaceae would be very useful, especially if presented with pictures of a real spike (not schemes). I could do it, but unfortunately I don't know the nomenclature in the english language (and so I cannot even translate the notes in the images), can someone help me? i need to know:
Have a look at the pictures, any help is welcome. Aelwyn 17:15, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Done. No pain, no gain. Aelwyn 10:26, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
What are "true grasses"? Please cleanup. FrummerThanThou 04:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone heard that the genus Zea was moved to Zaeceae? I was told this, but I'm having trouble confirming it. All accounts of Zeaceae that I can find show it as a synonym for Poaceae. ++ Arx Fortis 21:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Zea is definitely in the Poaceae, no need to mention Zeaceae -- Graminophile 19:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Specific type of lawn grass in certain areas of the world needs to be mentioned Complex-Algorithm-Interval 20:11, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Poaceae (formerly known as Gramineae)
Yes, more and more people are using Poaceae, particularly in North America, but it would be more accurate to say Poaceae( alternatively known as Gramineae). The two names are equally correct.
Mary Barkworth ( talk) 13:25, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
In the "Grass and society" section it is mentioned that grasses "have been used to make paper since at least as early as 2400 B.C." Paper is generally acknowledged to have been invented in the 2nd century in China. Papyrus, on the other hand, has indeed been around since the 3rd millenium BC, but Cyperus papyrus belongs to the cyperaceae family, not the poaceae. Would it be ok to edit the date and say 2nd century instead of 2400BC?
There is I think another issue with beer. The section says "Also, the primary ingredient of beer is usually barley or wheat, both grasses that have been used for this purpose for over 1000 years" but beer based on malted barley has been around for much, much longer than that (around the 3rd millenium BC if the wiki article on the history of beer is to be believed). So I would suggest changing the date to that. Julienvr ( talk) 23:02, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
I've added a "citation needed" to the description of the "most recent classification" of Poaceae. Which classification is this? For instance, wikipedia is listing Aristida in tribe Aristideae of subfamily Arundinoideae... I've done a brief literature search, and am not coming up with any studies that suggest this classification. Family-wide phylogenies (e.g., that of the Grass Phylogeny Working Group) suggest that this classification is polyphyletic (Danthonioideae & Chloridoideae would also have to be included in Arundinoideae to yield a monophyletic subfamily), and recognize Aristida in a separate subfamily Aristidoideae. So, maybe I've missed some of the relevant literature... but, as it is, this page provides a subfamilial classification that is both unsourced and, so far as I can tell, inconsistent with phylogenetic results. So, where does this classification come from and what is the justification for using it? Paalexan ( talk) 18:38, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
So what happened to Gramineae? All the article says is that Poaceae is also called Gramineae before mentioning later where the name Poaceae comes from. If you're going to tell us where the name Poaceae came from, shouldn't you at least also tell us where the name Gramineae went to? 27.33.121.123 ( talk) 08:47, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
I suggest that we don't need two articles that both cover essentially the same topic, and that any useful material in Grass should be merged into Poaceae. Plantsurfer 12:00, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
I notice that glume redirects to chaff, which is not identical in meaning by any stretch. Other parts of grass flowers, such as palea (botany), lemma (botany) and lodicule have their own short articles. I am proposing to write up a section in Poaceae describing the structure and nomenclature of the grass inflorescence, and I think it would be appropriate to have the glume redirect reversed and a short article created. What is the formal procedure for reversing a redirect such as this? Plantsurfer 16:13, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
The article claims that "A multituberculate mammal with "grass-eating" adaptations seems to suggest that grasses were already around at 120 mya", but the source given ( http://www.japantimes.co.jp/article-expired/#.V3Bi_zWrlyF) is dead, and does not look credible. The article about multituberculate mammals contains the same claim, with the same source (arguably added by the same editor). I did a Google search and I can't find any publication that supports this. I suggest to remove the claim from both articles unless a proper source can be found.-- Renerpho ( talk) 01:21, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
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This website: https://www.britannica.com/topic/list-of-plants-in-the-family-Poaceae-2036227
Could be used as a reference for the opening paragraph of the page.
"With more than 10,000 species, the grass family, Poaceae, is one of the largest families of flowering plants. Its members are monocotyledons and feature leaves with parallel veins; the flowers are usually wind-pollinated. Many grasses are cultivated as ornamental plants and for lawns, and several are staple cereal crops. The following is a list of some of the major genera and species in Poaceae, arranged alphabetically by common name."
quoted from the above website, britannica.com Canteberry ( talk) 13:24, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move ( non-admin closure) -- Mdaniels5757 ( talk) 20:36, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Poaceae → Grass – The WP:COMMONNAME by far for these species is "grass", and I think this is so overwhelmingly obvious and ubiquitous that this should be self evident to most users. Should follow the convention of rose and lupus where the common name is chosen over the overtly academic name. Ortizesp ( talk) 12:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
this feels strongly self-evident– we have an encylopedia precisely because things are not self-evident. Is it "self-evident" that the plants in the image here are grasses? Peter coxhead ( talk) 06:54, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
I think that the page Poaceae and Grass should be separated. This was merged by User:Plantsurfer in a small vote of 4 to 1 on 26 February 2016. The reasons are below:
At worst, there should be a DAB page at the base name, although I contend grass should probably have a page for itself. I don't think it makes sense for the more popular and universally used concept of grass to have been the merged into the more specific poaceae.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 22:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
I think that;
5 votes is not enough;
I think the;
Poaceae should;
there should be. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 21:49, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
This article is a non-technical introduction to the subject. But what is a reasonable approach for quantum mechanics looks absolutely ridiculous here. Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 16:58, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
[[Grass|turf]]
[1], or 287 links in airport infoboxes for the runway surface type
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Grasses as well. –
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I would like to edit this page to indicate that the family Poaceae was “formerly called Gramineae”. This is to make the information up-to-date and to reduce confusion. AlfalfaMail ( talk) 23:55, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
It's currently being decided on the best way to link (or unlink) the term "grass" in the context of the surface type of places (like stadiums or runways). The results are going to affect around 1,500 articles. The discussions are:
There's a further discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants#"X is a species of grass", which is concerned with articles about species. – Uanfala ( talk) 13:47, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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I always hate to be contrary, but why did you (UtherSRG) reformat the taxobox in a way that is inconsistent with all the other taxoboxes at Wikipedia and call it an "update" ? The format you used is (IMHO) not at all an improvement and can cause difficulty to follow in many situation since you are essentially removing centering from the title boxes and centering the text/list boxes. This approach will not work without considerable effort on taxoboxes with long or complex listings of taxa. Also, it is generally standard practice to center things like titles and pictures and not center following text; or not center anything. - Marshman 18:48, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Is it true that the grasses grow from the bottom, while other plants grow from the top? AxelBoldt 09:08, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I would like to merge the species list of Poaceae inside the taxobox of this article... Qwertzy2
This article needs to contain information about when, where and how grass appeared.
What type of grass is found in parks and lawns? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kisch ( talk • contribs) .
All of them I guess - I think the 'cultivation and use' section should deal with uses other than for food, but I know nothing about it. Kisch
Would someone familiar with the details of both American and British English please explicate the typically confusing differences in terminology.
Is "corn" a British equivalent to "cereal"? Make "maize" into "maize (American English corn). Where does the word "grain" stand in relation to "corn"/"cereal".
Would someone familiar with the details of both American and British English please explicate the typically confusing differences in terminology.
Is "corn" a British equivalent to "cereal"? Make "maize" into "maize (American English corn). Where does the word "grain" stand in relation to "corn"/"cereal".
I was taught (in England) that, at one time, "corn" simply meant the primary grain used for flour production. In England, this was wheat, in parts of Scotland, it was rye, and in much of the Americas it was maize. As North American usage became more prevalent, the interpretation of corn as meaning maize has become more common.
"Cereal grasses" is a useful but vague phrase. It generally refers to the members of the wheatgrass tribe (Triticeae) that are used for baking and flour production - wheats, rye, and barley. I don't think it is usually used to refer to corn/maize, rice, or teff - or the other grasses that are used for baking in other parts of the world - but that could be simply because I have only worked in parts of the world where the primary flour-producing grasses are the wheatgrasses. "Cereal" can also be used to refer to non-grasses that are used for flour - buckwheat etc. It is a vague but useful word.
Grain generally means a dry, starchy seed or fruit that one grinds to make flour. Technically, in grasses, this would be the fruit (a caryopsis) which is inseparable from the seed. It is also sometimes used to refer to dry fruits/seeds of plants, such as buckwheat, that are not grasses.
In reference to grasses: grain is a much easier term than caryopsis; fruit, a logical alternative, conjures up images of fleshy things like apricots, plums, and oranges; seed is probably not used simply because people tend to think of seeds as things that are inside something else - and it is impossible to get the seed out of a grass grain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mary Barkworth ( talk • contribs) 13:21, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Edit conflict!
I'm having trouble with grains being described in "northern Asia" (formerly "northern Eurasia") as I don't think of Siberia as a major wheat belt. Perhaps "Europe and western Asia" would be clearer.
In general I was having problems with the geographical descriptions -- one crop per region -- as of course today the US for example produces everything. I tried to alter that to "Historically..." but got overridden.
Perhaps something like "primary" or "leading" crops would clarify that.
I dissected a wheat spike and made the three pictures Spica_spiculae.pgn, Anatomia.png and Spicula_dissecta.png that are in the Commons. They were SVGs, but I couldn't upload them properly and so I converted them to PNGs. I think that a more detailed desciption of the peculiar flower/fruit of Poaceae would be very useful, especially if presented with pictures of a real spike (not schemes). I could do it, but unfortunately I don't know the nomenclature in the english language (and so I cannot even translate the notes in the images), can someone help me? i need to know:
Have a look at the pictures, any help is welcome. Aelwyn 17:15, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Done. No pain, no gain. Aelwyn 10:26, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
What are "true grasses"? Please cleanup. FrummerThanThou 04:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone heard that the genus Zea was moved to Zaeceae? I was told this, but I'm having trouble confirming it. All accounts of Zeaceae that I can find show it as a synonym for Poaceae. ++ Arx Fortis 21:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Zea is definitely in the Poaceae, no need to mention Zeaceae -- Graminophile 19:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Specific type of lawn grass in certain areas of the world needs to be mentioned Complex-Algorithm-Interval 20:11, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Poaceae (formerly known as Gramineae)
Yes, more and more people are using Poaceae, particularly in North America, but it would be more accurate to say Poaceae( alternatively known as Gramineae). The two names are equally correct.
Mary Barkworth ( talk) 13:25, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
In the "Grass and society" section it is mentioned that grasses "have been used to make paper since at least as early as 2400 B.C." Paper is generally acknowledged to have been invented in the 2nd century in China. Papyrus, on the other hand, has indeed been around since the 3rd millenium BC, but Cyperus papyrus belongs to the cyperaceae family, not the poaceae. Would it be ok to edit the date and say 2nd century instead of 2400BC?
There is I think another issue with beer. The section says "Also, the primary ingredient of beer is usually barley or wheat, both grasses that have been used for this purpose for over 1000 years" but beer based on malted barley has been around for much, much longer than that (around the 3rd millenium BC if the wiki article on the history of beer is to be believed). So I would suggest changing the date to that. Julienvr ( talk) 23:02, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
I've added a "citation needed" to the description of the "most recent classification" of Poaceae. Which classification is this? For instance, wikipedia is listing Aristida in tribe Aristideae of subfamily Arundinoideae... I've done a brief literature search, and am not coming up with any studies that suggest this classification. Family-wide phylogenies (e.g., that of the Grass Phylogeny Working Group) suggest that this classification is polyphyletic (Danthonioideae & Chloridoideae would also have to be included in Arundinoideae to yield a monophyletic subfamily), and recognize Aristida in a separate subfamily Aristidoideae. So, maybe I've missed some of the relevant literature... but, as it is, this page provides a subfamilial classification that is both unsourced and, so far as I can tell, inconsistent with phylogenetic results. So, where does this classification come from and what is the justification for using it? Paalexan ( talk) 18:38, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
So what happened to Gramineae? All the article says is that Poaceae is also called Gramineae before mentioning later where the name Poaceae comes from. If you're going to tell us where the name Poaceae came from, shouldn't you at least also tell us where the name Gramineae went to? 27.33.121.123 ( talk) 08:47, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
I suggest that we don't need two articles that both cover essentially the same topic, and that any useful material in Grass should be merged into Poaceae. Plantsurfer 12:00, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
I notice that glume redirects to chaff, which is not identical in meaning by any stretch. Other parts of grass flowers, such as palea (botany), lemma (botany) and lodicule have their own short articles. I am proposing to write up a section in Poaceae describing the structure and nomenclature of the grass inflorescence, and I think it would be appropriate to have the glume redirect reversed and a short article created. What is the formal procedure for reversing a redirect such as this? Plantsurfer 16:13, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
The article claims that "A multituberculate mammal with "grass-eating" adaptations seems to suggest that grasses were already around at 120 mya", but the source given ( http://www.japantimes.co.jp/article-expired/#.V3Bi_zWrlyF) is dead, and does not look credible. The article about multituberculate mammals contains the same claim, with the same source (arguably added by the same editor). I did a Google search and I can't find any publication that supports this. I suggest to remove the claim from both articles unless a proper source can be found.-- Renerpho ( talk) 01:21, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
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This website: https://www.britannica.com/topic/list-of-plants-in-the-family-Poaceae-2036227
Could be used as a reference for the opening paragraph of the page.
"With more than 10,000 species, the grass family, Poaceae, is one of the largest families of flowering plants. Its members are monocotyledons and feature leaves with parallel veins; the flowers are usually wind-pollinated. Many grasses are cultivated as ornamental plants and for lawns, and several are staple cereal crops. The following is a list of some of the major genera and species in Poaceae, arranged alphabetically by common name."
quoted from the above website, britannica.com Canteberry ( talk) 13:24, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move ( non-admin closure) -- Mdaniels5757 ( talk) 20:36, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Poaceae → Grass – The WP:COMMONNAME by far for these species is "grass", and I think this is so overwhelmingly obvious and ubiquitous that this should be self evident to most users. Should follow the convention of rose and lupus where the common name is chosen over the overtly academic name. Ortizesp ( talk) 12:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
this feels strongly self-evident– we have an encylopedia precisely because things are not self-evident. Is it "self-evident" that the plants in the image here are grasses? Peter coxhead ( talk) 06:54, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
I think that the page Poaceae and Grass should be separated. This was merged by User:Plantsurfer in a small vote of 4 to 1 on 26 February 2016. The reasons are below:
At worst, there should be a DAB page at the base name, although I contend grass should probably have a page for itself. I don't think it makes sense for the more popular and universally used concept of grass to have been the merged into the more specific poaceae.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 22:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
I think that;
5 votes is not enough;
I think the;
Poaceae should;
there should be. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 21:49, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
This article is a non-technical introduction to the subject. But what is a reasonable approach for quantum mechanics looks absolutely ridiculous here. Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 16:58, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
[[Grass|turf]]
[1], or 287 links in airport infoboxes for the runway surface type
[2]. Oh, and we should decide what to do with the redirect
Grasses as well. –
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I would like to edit this page to indicate that the family Poaceae was “formerly called Gramineae”. This is to make the information up-to-date and to reduce confusion. AlfalfaMail ( talk) 23:55, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
It's currently being decided on the best way to link (or unlink) the term "grass" in the context of the surface type of places (like stadiums or runways). The results are going to affect around 1,500 articles. The discussions are:
There's a further discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants#"X is a species of grass", which is concerned with articles about species. – Uanfala ( talk) 13:47, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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