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Created Archives for dated discussions. Most topics prior to September seem to be dated and thus moved. If there is a discussion topic that should be updated, please feel free to link it to the archived history.
I recommend updating the page to reflect more on current organizational structure, ideology, and policies and positions. Given the expanded History of Plaid Cymru page, I recommend a more concise history here, brief and to the point.
This is the proposed outline:
I welcome comments on the proposed outline.
Drachenfyre
00:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Normalmouth, this is what I mean by context:
On Chruchill and Facism (from the Churchill wiki artical): "Furthermore, he controversially claimed that the Fascism of Benito Mussolini had "rendered a service to the whole world," showing, as it had, "a way to combat subversive forces" — that is, he considered the regime to be a bulwark against the perceived threat of Communist revolution. At one point, Churchill went as far as to call Mussolini the "Roman genius… the greatest lawgiver among men." (^ Picknett, Lynn, Prince, Clive, Prior, Stephen & Brydon, Robert (2002). War of the Windsors: A Century of Unconstitutional Monarchy, p. 78. Mainstream Publishing. ISBN 1-84018-631-3. )
But dispite Churchill's statements hailing Mussolini's facism in the 1930s, you would not then further suggest that Churchill was sympathetic to Faciest Itally in WWII. By some of the way you were writting this section, you were linking directly Plaid Cymru with support for the Axis in WWII, which is patently not the case. This is where the main objects consisstantly arise
Additionally, Earl Lloyd George of Dwyfor also himself made comments seemingly praising Hitler in 1936, but you would not then say that Lloyd George was then a faciest or agreed in totally with Hitler and Facism. So, when Lewis and Bedd made those comments in the 1930s, they were in line with many main-stream U.K. politicians of the time. But clearly Plaid Cymru, and its leadership, did not support a faciest programme, did not support the Axis in WWII, and more to the point aided the U.K. government in the War Effort. Drachenfyre 06:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I added the additional infomraion under The Lewis Doctrine and criticism 1926-1939, where it fits most appropriatly. I need the source for this quote "During the 1930s Plaid became even more of a right wing force. It’s journal refused to resist Hitler or Mussolini, ignored or tolerated anti-Semitism and, in effect, came out in support of Franco" to attribute it correctly. Drachenfyre 10:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
User IP 131.251.134.131 has added Regionalism as an ideology for PC. I don't think the party considers Wales a region, so I think it's incorrect. The same user changed the Politics of Wales article so that 'Constituent countries of the UK' was changed to 'regions of the UK'. I think it's a blatant POV and reverted changes in the other article, but haven't done so here in case others had different views.-- Rhyswynne 10:36, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I've temporarily protected the page so that only registered users can edit it. I hope this will help a bit. Deb 11:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
DrFrench is targeting Plaid membership images for deletion, even though they are from Crown Copyright and free use for Encyclopedia uses. He does this without even posting flags and posting in discussion pages, which is the standard proceedure. ♦Drachenfyre♦· Talk 21:53, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
DrFrench already deleted Adam Price's image from Wikicommons that he or his office had posted up, even though it met all requirements! It was done recently. I will rewrite Mr Price to have his office reupload the image. ♦Drachenfyre♦· Talk 11:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
If you are removing these images truely in good faith, and in accordance with wiki policy, for some reason that they do not meet wiki standards, then I sincerly apologize for my rash rush to judgement. I am not offering this as an excuse, but the pages for Plaid have been vandalized and vandalized often, with much misinterpertation. Because you did not post any warning boxes, which seems standard, it raised alarm bells at a questionable motive. ♦Drachenfyre♦· Talk 15:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Drachenfyre, thank you for your apology which is accepted. I hope you agree that we are all working with the goal of improving Wikipedia - although we all have different interests and skills. You, for example, have knowledge of the subject matter - whereas I tend to do things like finding and improving citations and checking that media is used correctly. I hope we can put any unpleasantness behind us and work together to ensure that only appropriate images are used. Thank you. DrFrench ( talk) 21:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I do not understand why Lucy Marie et al. insist on using photos with copyright restrictions when alternatives with a completely free/open license exist. eg. the photo of Dafydd Iwan as an example.
-- Darren Wyn Rees ( talk) 14:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I've just started an article for J. Gwyn Griffiths, as far as I can tell, an important member of the Plaid Cymru movement in the 1950s, which I would like to categorise, but can't seem to find a slot. Is there a category for those who fought for the party but did not become a politician? Thanks, FruitMonkey ( talk) 00:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I have tried corrected the info box to show that Dafydd Iwan is the Chairman/ President, however it shows on the edit page, but not on the article page. Can anyone with a little more expertise at editing info boxs sort it out please? regads Ijanderson ( talk) 08:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I know Plaid Cymru uses the slogan The Party of Wales, but wouldn't a more accurate English translation be Welsh party, or something like that? YeshuaDavid • Talk • 22:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
There have been some additions to the infobox - graphically noting Plaid Cymru's electoral representation in various institutions. As Plaid does not stand outside Wales, does the outcome accurately represent Plaid's electoral support? For example:
#1 - House of Commons: Plaid - 3; total - 646, which if shown relative to Welsh consituencies, would be seen as House of Commons: Plaid - 3; total - 40.
#2 - European Parliament: Plaid - 1; total - 72. There are actually 736 seats in the European Parliament (72 is the number of UK seats) viz Plaid - 1; total - 736. As Wales is a
European Parliament constituency, with 4 available seats, a more informative graphic would show - European Parliament: Plaid - 1; total - 4. Thoughts ...
Daicaregos (
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I've removed the 'drive-by' neutrality tag which says “please see the discussion on the talk page”. As there has been no discussion it is unclear as to what the dispute involves. I have also removed the word nationalist from the first line of the intro, on the basis of WP:BRD. The day before a general election is hardly the time to add WP:POV edits and then complain about neutrality. Daicaregos ( talk) 16:01, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Discuss the issues here please people, don't edit war on the main page. And please remember, on Wiki its the quality of the points you make, not the numbers involved that decide the outcome. Thank you. - Galloglass 09:20, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
As someone who passed by and removed some repeated text from the article, it is very clear that there is no NPOV issue here. The "nationalist" bit is clearly not required when the next sentence states that it "It advocates the establishment of an independent Welsh statewithin the European Union". I will remove the tag again - this is a non-issue. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 10:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
The problem appears to be that people interpret the words "national" and "nationalist" differently. Furthermore, when it is used in the names of political parties, it is meant in different ways. For instance, the British National Party and Scottish National Party have rather different agendas. Given the description of the former party as "nationalist", then one could imagine that supporters of the SNP or Plaid Cymru would take offence at being described as "nationalist", even though they are in a technical sense. -- RFBailey ( talk) 17:58, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
I assume the bit about drugs and free love is vandalism.... even if not it has typos. Can someone with a bit of knowledge sort it out? Epeeist smudge ( talk) 13:28, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Daniel Pickford-Gordon here. Use Encyclopedia Britannica etcetera. Has popularity been decreasing? At what rate? It has a number of MPs, and demands more devolution type things, so it needs to be discussed. I have an amount of information, on the Topix United Kingdom Forum, i've made a number of posts: List Of Posts http://www.topix.net/forum/world/united-kingdom/T367RKHF7P0991G1C 62.249.253.113 ( talk) 09:53, 17 March 2013 (UTC) Daniel Pickford-Gordon
Changes to the Ieuan Wyn Jones' position in the Assembly are a bit previous. According to the BBC, he “... is to stand down from his Ynys Mon seat.” He has not done so yet. According to Betsan Powys “He'll start his new job in July but won't stand down as an Assembly member until his successor is elected.” The recent changes have been reverted. Daicaregos ( talk) 15:20, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
The article currently describes Plaid as a "centre-left" party. I am wondering what the metric for "centre" is in this context. I think the truth of the matter is that there are both "centre-left" and more stridently "left" factions within the party. If anything it would seem that the "left" faction is ascendant: Leanne Wood, the party leader, has participated in "Communist University" events, and recent Plaid adverts have described their desire to build a "co-operative Wales," i.e. shifting ownership of the means of production within the country. Thoughts on how this can be better reflected in the article? aliceinlampyland ( talk) 17:35, 7 November 2013 (UTC).
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As the party colour was changed to yellow should the meta/color be updated? I'd do it but I don't know how and I suspect it probably shouldn't be changed without some discussion first. -- Boreas74 You'll catch more flies with honey 16:19, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Would someone who understands IPA syntax please look at the pronunciation given in the Lead and check against the source (OED). My attempts to amend this were not an unqualified success. The OED gives Pronunciation: Brit. /ˌplʌɪd ˈkʌmri/ , U.S. /ˌplaɪd ˈkəmri/ , but the article seems to have confused the two, giving a Welsh pronunciation as plaɪd ˈkəmri and an English pronunciation as plʌɪd ˈkʌmri. In my view, we don't need to provide a US pronounciation here. Thanks. Daicaregos ( talk) 07:47, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Gwynfor Evans was a councillor in 1949. Was he the first Plaid councillor? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.81.58.141 ( talk) 11:48, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Vote Plaid Cymru for successful Brexit, says Leanne Wood. Published 14 May 2017. Retrieved 21 May 2017.
Helper201 ( talk) 21:22, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
I propose that "social democratic" is replaced with "Welsh Nationalism / Social Democratic party"... Plaid Cymru's chief goal is to achieve full independence for nationalistic ideologies and purposes.
If Plaid Cymru's ideology is 'Welsh Nationalism' - then why are they described as "social democratic"?
Nationalism is nationalism.
Britain - Great Britain - UK - however - has a right to its claim and sense of patriotism - because it is a nation-state with a monarch and heritage going back thousands of years. In this way - "Great Britain" is a commercial-global 'brand' and social/cultural convention as well as a patriotic, political, and social ideal. Its brand of nationalism in national - it is shared by all or the majority independent of race, colour, or creed. Its ideals are present in all civic society. It is history.
Labour, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Conservatives, UKIP, ... are all in essence "social democratic": ... a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal democratic polity and capitalist economy. How could it ever be any other way, in the UK??
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Darowens ( talk • contribs) 22:17, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
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I think we should probably remove the ideology of democratic socialism from the infobox unless we can get at least one fairly recent reliable source to support it. The citations given for this claim are quite old (one from 2000, and two from 2006). 14 years is a long time in politics and the party has gone through new leaders since then. I haven't seen anything to which points to the party being currently democratic socialist. I was wondering what other editors’ thoughts on the matter are. Please leave your thoughts below. Helper201 ( talk) 14:36, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
the less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose. Listing the party's ideologies as Welsh nationalism, Welsh independence, civic nationalism and regionalism is not good writing, imagine it in prose! I'll spend some time in Google Scholar and get back with an evidenced proposal for how to cover the party's ideology in the article, and how to summarise it for the lead and infobox. Ralbegen ( talk) 20:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Welsh nationalism is an ideology, Welsh independence is a policy goal. We should keep the former only in the Infobox. Regionalism should remain as the party as a regionalist character, with the party advocating on issues affecting Wales. Autospark ( talk) 14:12, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Number 57, @ Helper201, @ Autospark, @ Checco, @ Vacant0, @ Braganza, @ Yakme: I propose that the number of ideologies be reduced in the infobox. I propose only the following remain: Welsh independence, Social democracy, and Democratic socialism. ValenciaThunderbolt ( talk) 11:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
At the 1981 Plaid Cymru conference, he succeeded in having "socialism" included amongst the party's main aims." It's been in the article since the first edit in 2007. The recent Golwg article cited elsewhere in that article comes closest to stating that, but it doesn't quite do so. Ham II ( talk) 07:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
I think it should stay as it is as I don't see it currently doing any harm. If consensus were to change it however, I'd say the ideologies that should be retained in the infobox are: Welsh nationalism, Welsh independence and social democracy. Helper201 ( talk) 14:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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Created Archives for dated discussions. Most topics prior to September seem to be dated and thus moved. If there is a discussion topic that should be updated, please feel free to link it to the archived history.
I recommend updating the page to reflect more on current organizational structure, ideology, and policies and positions. Given the expanded History of Plaid Cymru page, I recommend a more concise history here, brief and to the point.
This is the proposed outline:
I welcome comments on the proposed outline.
Drachenfyre
00:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Normalmouth, this is what I mean by context:
On Chruchill and Facism (from the Churchill wiki artical): "Furthermore, he controversially claimed that the Fascism of Benito Mussolini had "rendered a service to the whole world," showing, as it had, "a way to combat subversive forces" — that is, he considered the regime to be a bulwark against the perceived threat of Communist revolution. At one point, Churchill went as far as to call Mussolini the "Roman genius… the greatest lawgiver among men." (^ Picknett, Lynn, Prince, Clive, Prior, Stephen & Brydon, Robert (2002). War of the Windsors: A Century of Unconstitutional Monarchy, p. 78. Mainstream Publishing. ISBN 1-84018-631-3. )
But dispite Churchill's statements hailing Mussolini's facism in the 1930s, you would not then further suggest that Churchill was sympathetic to Faciest Itally in WWII. By some of the way you were writting this section, you were linking directly Plaid Cymru with support for the Axis in WWII, which is patently not the case. This is where the main objects consisstantly arise
Additionally, Earl Lloyd George of Dwyfor also himself made comments seemingly praising Hitler in 1936, but you would not then say that Lloyd George was then a faciest or agreed in totally with Hitler and Facism. So, when Lewis and Bedd made those comments in the 1930s, they were in line with many main-stream U.K. politicians of the time. But clearly Plaid Cymru, and its leadership, did not support a faciest programme, did not support the Axis in WWII, and more to the point aided the U.K. government in the War Effort. Drachenfyre 06:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I added the additional infomraion under The Lewis Doctrine and criticism 1926-1939, where it fits most appropriatly. I need the source for this quote "During the 1930s Plaid became even more of a right wing force. It’s journal refused to resist Hitler or Mussolini, ignored or tolerated anti-Semitism and, in effect, came out in support of Franco" to attribute it correctly. Drachenfyre 10:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
User IP 131.251.134.131 has added Regionalism as an ideology for PC. I don't think the party considers Wales a region, so I think it's incorrect. The same user changed the Politics of Wales article so that 'Constituent countries of the UK' was changed to 'regions of the UK'. I think it's a blatant POV and reverted changes in the other article, but haven't done so here in case others had different views.-- Rhyswynne 10:36, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I've temporarily protected the page so that only registered users can edit it. I hope this will help a bit. Deb 11:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
DrFrench is targeting Plaid membership images for deletion, even though they are from Crown Copyright and free use for Encyclopedia uses. He does this without even posting flags and posting in discussion pages, which is the standard proceedure. ♦Drachenfyre♦· Talk 21:53, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
DrFrench already deleted Adam Price's image from Wikicommons that he or his office had posted up, even though it met all requirements! It was done recently. I will rewrite Mr Price to have his office reupload the image. ♦Drachenfyre♦· Talk 11:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
If you are removing these images truely in good faith, and in accordance with wiki policy, for some reason that they do not meet wiki standards, then I sincerly apologize for my rash rush to judgement. I am not offering this as an excuse, but the pages for Plaid have been vandalized and vandalized often, with much misinterpertation. Because you did not post any warning boxes, which seems standard, it raised alarm bells at a questionable motive. ♦Drachenfyre♦· Talk 15:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Drachenfyre, thank you for your apology which is accepted. I hope you agree that we are all working with the goal of improving Wikipedia - although we all have different interests and skills. You, for example, have knowledge of the subject matter - whereas I tend to do things like finding and improving citations and checking that media is used correctly. I hope we can put any unpleasantness behind us and work together to ensure that only appropriate images are used. Thank you. DrFrench ( talk) 21:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I do not understand why Lucy Marie et al. insist on using photos with copyright restrictions when alternatives with a completely free/open license exist. eg. the photo of Dafydd Iwan as an example.
-- Darren Wyn Rees ( talk) 14:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I've just started an article for J. Gwyn Griffiths, as far as I can tell, an important member of the Plaid Cymru movement in the 1950s, which I would like to categorise, but can't seem to find a slot. Is there a category for those who fought for the party but did not become a politician? Thanks, FruitMonkey ( talk) 00:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I have tried corrected the info box to show that Dafydd Iwan is the Chairman/ President, however it shows on the edit page, but not on the article page. Can anyone with a little more expertise at editing info boxs sort it out please? regads Ijanderson ( talk) 08:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I know Plaid Cymru uses the slogan The Party of Wales, but wouldn't a more accurate English translation be Welsh party, or something like that? YeshuaDavid • Talk • 22:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
There have been some additions to the infobox - graphically noting Plaid Cymru's electoral representation in various institutions. As Plaid does not stand outside Wales, does the outcome accurately represent Plaid's electoral support? For example:
#1 - House of Commons: Plaid - 3; total - 646, which if shown relative to Welsh consituencies, would be seen as House of Commons: Plaid - 3; total - 40.
#2 - European Parliament: Plaid - 1; total - 72. There are actually 736 seats in the European Parliament (72 is the number of UK seats) viz Plaid - 1; total - 736. As Wales is a
European Parliament constituency, with 4 available seats, a more informative graphic would show - European Parliament: Plaid - 1; total - 4. Thoughts ...
Daicaregos (
talk)
10:30, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the 'drive-by' neutrality tag which says “please see the discussion on the talk page”. As there has been no discussion it is unclear as to what the dispute involves. I have also removed the word nationalist from the first line of the intro, on the basis of WP:BRD. The day before a general election is hardly the time to add WP:POV edits and then complain about neutrality. Daicaregos ( talk) 16:01, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Discuss the issues here please people, don't edit war on the main page. And please remember, on Wiki its the quality of the points you make, not the numbers involved that decide the outcome. Thank you. - Galloglass 09:20, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
As someone who passed by and removed some repeated text from the article, it is very clear that there is no NPOV issue here. The "nationalist" bit is clearly not required when the next sentence states that it "It advocates the establishment of an independent Welsh statewithin the European Union". I will remove the tag again - this is a non-issue. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 10:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
The problem appears to be that people interpret the words "national" and "nationalist" differently. Furthermore, when it is used in the names of political parties, it is meant in different ways. For instance, the British National Party and Scottish National Party have rather different agendas. Given the description of the former party as "nationalist", then one could imagine that supporters of the SNP or Plaid Cymru would take offence at being described as "nationalist", even though they are in a technical sense. -- RFBailey ( talk) 17:58, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
I assume the bit about drugs and free love is vandalism.... even if not it has typos. Can someone with a bit of knowledge sort it out? Epeeist smudge ( talk) 13:28, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Daniel Pickford-Gordon here. Use Encyclopedia Britannica etcetera. Has popularity been decreasing? At what rate? It has a number of MPs, and demands more devolution type things, so it needs to be discussed. I have an amount of information, on the Topix United Kingdom Forum, i've made a number of posts: List Of Posts http://www.topix.net/forum/world/united-kingdom/T367RKHF7P0991G1C 62.249.253.113 ( talk) 09:53, 17 March 2013 (UTC) Daniel Pickford-Gordon
Changes to the Ieuan Wyn Jones' position in the Assembly are a bit previous. According to the BBC, he “... is to stand down from his Ynys Mon seat.” He has not done so yet. According to Betsan Powys “He'll start his new job in July but won't stand down as an Assembly member until his successor is elected.” The recent changes have been reverted. Daicaregos ( talk) 15:20, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
The article currently describes Plaid as a "centre-left" party. I am wondering what the metric for "centre" is in this context. I think the truth of the matter is that there are both "centre-left" and more stridently "left" factions within the party. If anything it would seem that the "left" faction is ascendant: Leanne Wood, the party leader, has participated in "Communist University" events, and recent Plaid adverts have described their desire to build a "co-operative Wales," i.e. shifting ownership of the means of production within the country. Thoughts on how this can be better reflected in the article? aliceinlampyland ( talk) 17:35, 7 November 2013 (UTC).
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As the party colour was changed to yellow should the meta/color be updated? I'd do it but I don't know how and I suspect it probably shouldn't be changed without some discussion first. -- Boreas74 You'll catch more flies with honey 16:19, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Would someone who understands IPA syntax please look at the pronunciation given in the Lead and check against the source (OED). My attempts to amend this were not an unqualified success. The OED gives Pronunciation: Brit. /ˌplʌɪd ˈkʌmri/ , U.S. /ˌplaɪd ˈkəmri/ , but the article seems to have confused the two, giving a Welsh pronunciation as plaɪd ˈkəmri and an English pronunciation as plʌɪd ˈkʌmri. In my view, we don't need to provide a US pronounciation here. Thanks. Daicaregos ( talk) 07:47, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Gwynfor Evans was a councillor in 1949. Was he the first Plaid councillor? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.81.58.141 ( talk) 11:48, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Vote Plaid Cymru for successful Brexit, says Leanne Wood. Published 14 May 2017. Retrieved 21 May 2017.
Helper201 ( talk) 21:22, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
I propose that "social democratic" is replaced with "Welsh Nationalism / Social Democratic party"... Plaid Cymru's chief goal is to achieve full independence for nationalistic ideologies and purposes.
If Plaid Cymru's ideology is 'Welsh Nationalism' - then why are they described as "social democratic"?
Nationalism is nationalism.
Britain - Great Britain - UK - however - has a right to its claim and sense of patriotism - because it is a nation-state with a monarch and heritage going back thousands of years. In this way - "Great Britain" is a commercial-global 'brand' and social/cultural convention as well as a patriotic, political, and social ideal. Its brand of nationalism in national - it is shared by all or the majority independent of race, colour, or creed. Its ideals are present in all civic society. It is history.
Labour, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Conservatives, UKIP, ... are all in essence "social democratic": ... a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal democratic polity and capitalist economy. How could it ever be any other way, in the UK??
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Darowens ( talk • contribs) 22:17, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 09:53, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
I think we should probably remove the ideology of democratic socialism from the infobox unless we can get at least one fairly recent reliable source to support it. The citations given for this claim are quite old (one from 2000, and two from 2006). 14 years is a long time in politics and the party has gone through new leaders since then. I haven't seen anything to which points to the party being currently democratic socialist. I was wondering what other editors’ thoughts on the matter are. Please leave your thoughts below. Helper201 ( talk) 14:36, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
the less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose. Listing the party's ideologies as Welsh nationalism, Welsh independence, civic nationalism and regionalism is not good writing, imagine it in prose! I'll spend some time in Google Scholar and get back with an evidenced proposal for how to cover the party's ideology in the article, and how to summarise it for the lead and infobox. Ralbegen ( talk) 20:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Welsh nationalism is an ideology, Welsh independence is a policy goal. We should keep the former only in the Infobox. Regionalism should remain as the party as a regionalist character, with the party advocating on issues affecting Wales. Autospark ( talk) 14:12, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Number 57, @ Helper201, @ Autospark, @ Checco, @ Vacant0, @ Braganza, @ Yakme: I propose that the number of ideologies be reduced in the infobox. I propose only the following remain: Welsh independence, Social democracy, and Democratic socialism. ValenciaThunderbolt ( talk) 11:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
At the 1981 Plaid Cymru conference, he succeeded in having "socialism" included amongst the party's main aims." It's been in the article since the first edit in 2007. The recent Golwg article cited elsewhere in that article comes closest to stating that, but it doesn't quite do so. Ham II ( talk) 07:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
I think it should stay as it is as I don't see it currently doing any harm. If consensus were to change it however, I'd say the ideologies that should be retained in the infobox are: Welsh nationalism, Welsh independence and social democracy. Helper201 ( talk) 14:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)