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Oppose This totally flies in the face of DIFFCAPS. The animal is never referred to as a proper name, so unless there is evidence of that, it shouldn't be moved. I am, however, not sure this article passes
WP:NCORP.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
16:39, 3 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Where that guideline says "Ambiguity may arise when typographically near-identical expressions have distinct meanings", it goes on to recommend ways to remove the ambiguity. It's not endorsing the small differences approach, just says it's sometimes accepted.
Dicklyon (
talk)
03:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support move to
Pistol Shrimp Games or Pistol Shrimp (company): The company calls itself "Pistol Shrimp Games", and that is also the name of its website address and the name given in the opening sentence. That would provide
WP:NATURALDIS disambiguation. See
https://pistolshrimpgames.com/home. It's simply not true that no one uses capital letters for the common names of fauna. On the contrary, that is a very frequent practice, as many people practice
WP:SIGCAPS as a convention. Uppercased flora and fauna names are typically redirected to lowercase ones, with rare exceptions. Wikipedia used to explicitly use uppercase for common names for bird and butterfly topics, and I clearly remember when that was changed at
WP:NCFAUNACAPS. Breed and cultivar names are still capped by Wikipedia convention (
German Shepherd,
American Quarter Horse). Readers cannot be expected to be familiar with Wikipedia's capitalization convention. —
BarrelProof (
talk)
16:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Now I regret not going for a natural disambiguation of Pistol Shrimp Games, but at the time, I looked for a natural disambiguation and didn't come up with anything that made sense. The (company) version I'm ambivalent about. I thought about just using (game company) but didn't want to cause confusion with board/tabletop/non-video game companies.
Given the existing level of support, I think we just let the process play out since proposed name is an improvement in my opinion, but if you wish to request another move, I'd support Pistol Shrimp Games.
Melmann15:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support the animal has 7,026 views compared with only 79[
[1]] for the game and as noted fauna are often capitalized. The base name should probably be a DAB. Crouch, Swale (
talk)
18:10, 3 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support move to Pistol Shrimp Games or Pistol Shrimp (company): Echoing BarrelProof, capitalization is not uncommon in species common names. This title should redirect to Alpheidae and there should be a hatnote indicating that the game company is another meaning. That is, if this company is considered notable. The shrimp gets far more coverage in search results.
SchreiberBike |
⌨ 00:01, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes, the article should be renamed. I am sorry for creating article by the name "Pistol Shrimp" without mentioning that this is a game company.
Celtoi (
talk)
10:46, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support
Pistol Shrimp Games as natural disambiguation. While DIFFCAPS is permitted, such a distinction is rarely going to be a good choice unless the distinction is well recognised - eg
iron maiden v
Iron maiden. Low viewing for the company does not support this and user search entries will often not consciously enter caps.
Cinderella157 (
talk)
02:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Note to the discussion closer: I'm not sure what exactly is the procedure for situations like this, but if you were to find consensus to move, but instead boldly changed the new name to
Pistol Shrimp Games, I would support your actions as uncontroversial move, and would not see it as a contentious move, at least as far as I'm concerned.
Melmann20:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
It is not unusual for the outcome of an RM discussion to be somewhat different from the initial proposal. This is routine. —
BarrelProof (
talk)
21:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Video games, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
video games on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Video gamesWikipedia:WikiProject Video gamesTemplate:WikiProject Video gamesvideo game articles
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Oppose This totally flies in the face of DIFFCAPS. The animal is never referred to as a proper name, so unless there is evidence of that, it shouldn't be moved. I am, however, not sure this article passes
WP:NCORP.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
16:39, 3 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Where that guideline says "Ambiguity may arise when typographically near-identical expressions have distinct meanings", it goes on to recommend ways to remove the ambiguity. It's not endorsing the small differences approach, just says it's sometimes accepted.
Dicklyon (
talk)
03:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support move to
Pistol Shrimp Games or Pistol Shrimp (company): The company calls itself "Pistol Shrimp Games", and that is also the name of its website address and the name given in the opening sentence. That would provide
WP:NATURALDIS disambiguation. See
https://pistolshrimpgames.com/home. It's simply not true that no one uses capital letters for the common names of fauna. On the contrary, that is a very frequent practice, as many people practice
WP:SIGCAPS as a convention. Uppercased flora and fauna names are typically redirected to lowercase ones, with rare exceptions. Wikipedia used to explicitly use uppercase for common names for bird and butterfly topics, and I clearly remember when that was changed at
WP:NCFAUNACAPS. Breed and cultivar names are still capped by Wikipedia convention (
German Shepherd,
American Quarter Horse). Readers cannot be expected to be familiar with Wikipedia's capitalization convention. —
BarrelProof (
talk)
16:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Now I regret not going for a natural disambiguation of Pistol Shrimp Games, but at the time, I looked for a natural disambiguation and didn't come up with anything that made sense. The (company) version I'm ambivalent about. I thought about just using (game company) but didn't want to cause confusion with board/tabletop/non-video game companies.
Given the existing level of support, I think we just let the process play out since proposed name is an improvement in my opinion, but if you wish to request another move, I'd support Pistol Shrimp Games.
Melmann15:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support the animal has 7,026 views compared with only 79[
[1]] for the game and as noted fauna are often capitalized. The base name should probably be a DAB. Crouch, Swale (
talk)
18:10, 3 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support move to Pistol Shrimp Games or Pistol Shrimp (company): Echoing BarrelProof, capitalization is not uncommon in species common names. This title should redirect to Alpheidae and there should be a hatnote indicating that the game company is another meaning. That is, if this company is considered notable. The shrimp gets far more coverage in search results.
SchreiberBike |
⌨ 00:01, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes, the article should be renamed. I am sorry for creating article by the name "Pistol Shrimp" without mentioning that this is a game company.
Celtoi (
talk)
10:46, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support
Pistol Shrimp Games as natural disambiguation. While DIFFCAPS is permitted, such a distinction is rarely going to be a good choice unless the distinction is well recognised - eg
iron maiden v
Iron maiden. Low viewing for the company does not support this and user search entries will often not consciously enter caps.
Cinderella157 (
talk)
02:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Note to the discussion closer: I'm not sure what exactly is the procedure for situations like this, but if you were to find consensus to move, but instead boldly changed the new name to
Pistol Shrimp Games, I would support your actions as uncontroversial move, and would not see it as a contentious move, at least as far as I'm concerned.
Melmann20:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
It is not unusual for the outcome of an RM discussion to be somewhat different from the initial proposal. This is routine. —
BarrelProof (
talk)
21:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.