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On 3 March 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Peri-peri to Piri piri. The result of the discussion was moved. |
NB: for reference and continuity, older discussion appearing at the talk page of the former title of this article, African birdseye, copied below.-- cjllw ʘ TALK 14:06, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Did Nando's really popularise peri-peri, or was it already popular? I hadn't heard of Nando's until a few months ago but I'd heard of peri-peri long before. Marketing text, or is it actually the case that Nando's introduced and popularised peri-peri in some places? Nach0king 18:53, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Nando's is a trade name for a chain of restaurants that serves peri peri chicken in South Africa (possibly instead of curry chicken). I first came to know peri peri in Mozambique where in the local cafes one would see it as a liquid sauce on the tables and used to spice up the food very much like salt and pepper. The liquid version is very hot and usually made with oil. There was also a dried powdered version which seemed not to be so hot. The Mozambicans told me that the chillie came from Zimbabwe and was called Birds eye chillie, also Zimbabwean birds eye or African Birds eye and was originally used for trade with the Portuguese traders. It is also rumored that the Africans used to use it for trade with the Egyptians. (Mdek August 2006)
“where Portuguese explorers developed the homonymous cultivar from malagueta pepper.[2]l If you research the malagueta pepper you will find it is from the island Christopher Colombus landed on. BrendanKennedy ( talk) 20:38, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Malagueta pepper is from the island Christopher Columbus landed on so it is from America. BrendanKennedy ( talk) 20:38, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
In this article, African birdseye is equal with piri-piri in Portuguese. However, in the taxonomy article of Capsicum, African birdseye belongs to the Capsicum frutescens species, while piri-piri belongs to Capsicum Pendulum species. Which one is the correct one? — Indon ( reply) — 22:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Is this the same thing? If so, should we merge? Dwiki 02:30, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Something I read in Nando's stores implies the "peri-peri" originates from the east coast of Africa. Yet chili peppers aren't native to Africa - the chili pepper article says "Chili peppers and their various cultivars originate in the Americas."
I assume the Portuguese must have carried the pili pili to Africa from Brazil? -- Chriswaterguy talk 05:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. Also, I tried some googling, and by filtering out pages with the word "wikipedia" and restricting the search to pages in English, I got 77,100 for "piri piri" and 28,100 for "pili pili", so WP:COMMONNAME seems to indicate going with the former. - GTBacchus( talk) 03:33, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
If the proper Portuguese spelling is piri piri, and the article mostly refers to it as the piri piri, why is the article named pili pili? I tried finding out which name was most popular, but I think it being on wikipedia (and several copy sites) makes this test somewhat inaccurate. A googlefight of the two leaves piri piri as the clear victor/victrix.-- Lionelbrits 16:09, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
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piri piri is fine, but it is not a clear victory, it seems they are almost used equally. Muntuwandi 17:50, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
peri peri 168,000. if its a runoff pili pili is still in. But I do not oppose a move, the other variants should of course be mentioned. Muntuwandi 03:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
we can go with piri piri, but they are all the same. Its like to-ma-to and to-may-to Muntuwandi 01:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I have fixed the cut and paste move made here back in Dec 06, when Pili pili was created as a cut'n'paste from African birdseye, which had a non-trivial edit history. The edit histories of these two pages are now merged at Pili pili ( [2]).
Please note, cut'n'paste moves are generally undesirable since the edit history (a record needed to fulfill some GFDL licensing conditions) becomes lost and disassociated from the article.
It should now be possible (for an admin, at least) to simply move this article to whatever target is determined in the 'Requested move' discussion above, or even to move it back to the original at African birdseye, without losing the overall edit history. Cheers, -- cjllw ʘ TALK 14:41, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Why isn't this just named "african birdseye" SNN2 ( talk) 05:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
I think there must be a mistake, research and memory tells me that swahili for chilli is piri piri or pili pili (r and l are often interchangeable in swahili) so I don't know where kuga kuga comes from?
There are very few articles in Wikipedia as bad as this one. It is severely flawed.
How can we have an article about a plant that is grown in half the known world, but describe it only as far as it applies to Mozambique and its Portuguese and Portuguese-India influence? The author demonstrates that he knows nothing about chillies, Portugal, Mozambique and Angola (it is NOT called piri-piri in Angola and only sometimes and recently does it get referred to as piri-piri in Portugal).
Piri-piri is not a cultivar, not even a species - it is a generic term for a preparation of hot chillies.
Then a paragraph on malagueta and Brazil is just idiotic, when in Brazil there are numerous types of chillies (and with different names) that would correspond to what the author here is trying to describe as piri-piri.
The part about Nando's is simply preposterous! I live in South Africa, my home language is Portuguese, I was born in Angola, I watch mostly Brazilian television at home.
There is nothing in this article to justify it that cannot be covered in the article on chillies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rui Gabriel Correia ( talk • contribs) 22:22, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Any reliable sources about the very strong fruity (mango, pineapple) aroma of this chili pepper? Bright☀ 19:21, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm skeptical of the unsourced claim that this cultivar was originally developed "in Mozambique by Portuguese explorers". Developing a cultivar is a long, slow process taking many growing seasons (years)—a process that is incompatible with being an explorer.
Perhaps the writer meant "Portuguese settlers", but even that is not supported by any citation. How do we know that those who developed this cultivar were even Portuguese? Perhaps the Portuguese brought chili peppers to Mozambique and the locals eventually developed this variety, or perhaps it naturally developed through cross-pollination of two pepper varieties that were separately brought into the region.
There are many possible ways peri peri could have originated, and all we seem to have here is speculation stated as fact. I added a "citation needed" note. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScribeMonk ( talk • contribs) 18:14, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Peri-peri (Portuguese source). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 14#Peri-peri (Portuguese source) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Sahaib3005 ( talk) 22:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 ( talk) 16:34, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Peri-peri → Piri piri – "Piri piri" was the title before an undiscussed move to the present title and seems marginally more popular ( Nando's notwithstanding) according to Google Ngrams (though there are many false positives in earlier years). — AjaxSmack 02:48, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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On 3 March 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Peri-peri to Piri piri. The result of the discussion was moved. |
NB: for reference and continuity, older discussion appearing at the talk page of the former title of this article, African birdseye, copied below.-- cjllw ʘ TALK 14:06, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Did Nando's really popularise peri-peri, or was it already popular? I hadn't heard of Nando's until a few months ago but I'd heard of peri-peri long before. Marketing text, or is it actually the case that Nando's introduced and popularised peri-peri in some places? Nach0king 18:53, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Nando's is a trade name for a chain of restaurants that serves peri peri chicken in South Africa (possibly instead of curry chicken). I first came to know peri peri in Mozambique where in the local cafes one would see it as a liquid sauce on the tables and used to spice up the food very much like salt and pepper. The liquid version is very hot and usually made with oil. There was also a dried powdered version which seemed not to be so hot. The Mozambicans told me that the chillie came from Zimbabwe and was called Birds eye chillie, also Zimbabwean birds eye or African Birds eye and was originally used for trade with the Portuguese traders. It is also rumored that the Africans used to use it for trade with the Egyptians. (Mdek August 2006)
“where Portuguese explorers developed the homonymous cultivar from malagueta pepper.[2]l If you research the malagueta pepper you will find it is from the island Christopher Colombus landed on. BrendanKennedy ( talk) 20:38, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Malagueta pepper is from the island Christopher Columbus landed on so it is from America. BrendanKennedy ( talk) 20:38, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
In this article, African birdseye is equal with piri-piri in Portuguese. However, in the taxonomy article of Capsicum, African birdseye belongs to the Capsicum frutescens species, while piri-piri belongs to Capsicum Pendulum species. Which one is the correct one? — Indon ( reply) — 22:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Is this the same thing? If so, should we merge? Dwiki 02:30, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Something I read in Nando's stores implies the "peri-peri" originates from the east coast of Africa. Yet chili peppers aren't native to Africa - the chili pepper article says "Chili peppers and their various cultivars originate in the Americas."
I assume the Portuguese must have carried the pili pili to Africa from Brazil? -- Chriswaterguy talk 05:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. Also, I tried some googling, and by filtering out pages with the word "wikipedia" and restricting the search to pages in English, I got 77,100 for "piri piri" and 28,100 for "pili pili", so WP:COMMONNAME seems to indicate going with the former. - GTBacchus( talk) 03:33, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
If the proper Portuguese spelling is piri piri, and the article mostly refers to it as the piri piri, why is the article named pili pili? I tried finding out which name was most popular, but I think it being on wikipedia (and several copy sites) makes this test somewhat inaccurate. A googlefight of the two leaves piri piri as the clear victor/victrix.-- Lionelbrits 16:09, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Add any additional comments
piri piri is fine, but it is not a clear victory, it seems they are almost used equally. Muntuwandi 17:50, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
peri peri 168,000. if its a runoff pili pili is still in. But I do not oppose a move, the other variants should of course be mentioned. Muntuwandi 03:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
we can go with piri piri, but they are all the same. Its like to-ma-to and to-may-to Muntuwandi 01:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I have fixed the cut and paste move made here back in Dec 06, when Pili pili was created as a cut'n'paste from African birdseye, which had a non-trivial edit history. The edit histories of these two pages are now merged at Pili pili ( [2]).
Please note, cut'n'paste moves are generally undesirable since the edit history (a record needed to fulfill some GFDL licensing conditions) becomes lost and disassociated from the article.
It should now be possible (for an admin, at least) to simply move this article to whatever target is determined in the 'Requested move' discussion above, or even to move it back to the original at African birdseye, without losing the overall edit history. Cheers, -- cjllw ʘ TALK 14:41, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Why isn't this just named "african birdseye" SNN2 ( talk) 05:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
I think there must be a mistake, research and memory tells me that swahili for chilli is piri piri or pili pili (r and l are often interchangeable in swahili) so I don't know where kuga kuga comes from?
There are very few articles in Wikipedia as bad as this one. It is severely flawed.
How can we have an article about a plant that is grown in half the known world, but describe it only as far as it applies to Mozambique and its Portuguese and Portuguese-India influence? The author demonstrates that he knows nothing about chillies, Portugal, Mozambique and Angola (it is NOT called piri-piri in Angola and only sometimes and recently does it get referred to as piri-piri in Portugal).
Piri-piri is not a cultivar, not even a species - it is a generic term for a preparation of hot chillies.
Then a paragraph on malagueta and Brazil is just idiotic, when in Brazil there are numerous types of chillies (and with different names) that would correspond to what the author here is trying to describe as piri-piri.
The part about Nando's is simply preposterous! I live in South Africa, my home language is Portuguese, I was born in Angola, I watch mostly Brazilian television at home.
There is nothing in this article to justify it that cannot be covered in the article on chillies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rui Gabriel Correia ( talk • contribs) 22:22, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Any reliable sources about the very strong fruity (mango, pineapple) aroma of this chili pepper? Bright☀ 19:21, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm skeptical of the unsourced claim that this cultivar was originally developed "in Mozambique by Portuguese explorers". Developing a cultivar is a long, slow process taking many growing seasons (years)—a process that is incompatible with being an explorer.
Perhaps the writer meant "Portuguese settlers", but even that is not supported by any citation. How do we know that those who developed this cultivar were even Portuguese? Perhaps the Portuguese brought chili peppers to Mozambique and the locals eventually developed this variety, or perhaps it naturally developed through cross-pollination of two pepper varieties that were separately brought into the region.
There are many possible ways peri peri could have originated, and all we seem to have here is speculation stated as fact. I added a "citation needed" note. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScribeMonk ( talk • contribs) 18:14, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Peri-peri (Portuguese source). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 14#Peri-peri (Portuguese source) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Sahaib3005 ( talk) 22:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 ( talk) 16:34, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Peri-peri → Piri piri – "Piri piri" was the title before an undiscussed move to the present title and seems marginally more popular ( Nando's notwithstanding) according to Google Ngrams (though there are many false positives in earlier years). — AjaxSmack 02:48, 3 March 2024 (UTC)