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For the past week, I've been working on a series of revisions for this page. Several of these edits help the article meet the standards listed in the Film MOS, while other edits simply improve the organization, references, and flow of the article. The film will be released in less than a month, so I think these edits are both necessary and urgent. A link to my revisions can be found here.
Here's a summary of what these edits include:
I'd love to get some feedback on my draft so that we can bring this article up to speed. As previously mentioned, the film is coming out on May 20, so I think there's an immediate need to get these edits implemented. Any and all feedback is welcome. Thanks. -- TravisBernard ( talk) 23:08, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
MPAA ratings are typically not included within Wikipedia articles unless it is extremely notable (see Rio (film)). Even if we decide to include this, I don't think it should be in the introduction paragraph. Instead, it should be moved to the production section. Thoughts? -- TravisBernard ( talk) 13:02, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Should we make a new article for the POTC version of Blackbeard? We could name it Blackbeard (Pirates of the Caribbean).-- Max Tomos ( talk) 12:09, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
I have a question regarding the Studio and Distributed by section of this film's infobox (and others like it). If the film was released by Walt Disney Pictures, should it say Walt Disney Pictures in both the studio category and the distribution category or should the company's distribution arm ( Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures), also be credited as distributor? I am confused on whether who's specifically the distributor for the film. ~ Jedi94 ( talk) 19:04, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
This is wrong, the majority of the Brethren Court in At Worlds End were historical pirates. 78.86.8.163 ( talk) 07:31, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that the revised plot contains several spoilers? I've seen the movie twice already, and I believe the plot sections should be trimmed down, and spoiler free.-- TravisBernard ( talk) 19:06, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a spoiler free zone. Those wishing to not be spoiled about subjects should avoid encyclopedia entries that describe said subjects in detail. -- Aml830 ( talk) 19:30, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
The design of the Fountain of Youth in the film is clearly a nod to the 1960s Star Trek episode The City on the Edge of Forever (see the infobox). A review here mentions this, is this reliable enough for the article?-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:41, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
In Germany, 1.32 mio. viewers came to the cinemas in the first week from Thursday to Sunday, making it the highest debut week for a film in 2011, surpassing Till Schweiger's Kokowääh which had 838,000 viewers in its first week. This made the film also the 1st one in 2011 to reach 1 mio. viewers as early as the debuting week and stopped Fast Five from becoming the most viewed film of the week for a 4th time by far. source-- 79.199.54.183 ( talk) 18:12, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I note the criticism due to "excessiveness". What is excessiveness supposed to mean? 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 03:11, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
We need a bulleted list of the names and aliases of all the pirates, because you all clearly have no idea about the real pirates and their folkways.
69.254.165.61 ( talk) 23:17, 3 June 2011 (UTC) Admiral Electric
As I read, the pirate societies were socially conservative in the legislature except in the areas of consent and controlled substances.
69.254.165.61 ( talk) 01:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC) Admiral Electric
Property laws were strict: without exception, one pirate might not take another pirate's property.
69.254.165.61 ( talk) 01:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC) Admiral Electric
In the case of civic emergency, the usual course of events was that one pirate would be elevated to the status of centralized investor in the solution, in order that public order not be disturbed by riot.
69.254.165.61 ( talk) 14:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC) Admiral Electric
I just want to point out that in the casting section, it says "Gerard Monaco as Spanish Captain". That is incorrect. As you can see in this official Disney image, it says that the character's name is called "Spanish Officer", not captain. So someone needs to change that, if you please. 75.89.201.239 ( talk) 07:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Tamara is not queen of the mermaids. Besides the news articles, NOTHING in the film has suggested "Oh no, it's the mermaid queen! Run for your lives!". So Tamara must be listed as just "an antagonistic mermaid". 75.91.1.5 ( talk) 09:44, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Really, the box office section is too long.
There is no need at all for such a large amount of detail - it unbalances the article. A table with figures and perhaps a brief comment would probably be more appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.70.93 ( talk) 08:15, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
First of all, I want to thank the writer for his hard work in writing all that box office news. I think the reason POTC4 requires such a long detailed box office section is because it has broken many records. However, some parts needs a bit of shortening like Latin of America and Europe. I don't mean a huge cut down but the removal of unnecessary facts and numbers from so many countries. -- Eddyghazaley ( talk) 13:32, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Should we make a sub-article about the box-office performance of On Stranger Tides similarly to Harry Potter 7 Part 2? -- Spinc5 ( talk) 20:01, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
The home media information for the film was released today. Only a little bit of information has been released, but I'm guessing the rest of the press release will follow at some point today. I started a draft for the section, which can be found here. As more information is released, I will supplement it. I would love to get some feedback on it before implementing the edits. Any and all feedback is welcome. Thanks. -- TravisBernard ( talk) 15:52, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Per a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Assessment, I have reviewed the article to see if it should be upgraded from Start class. After reading the majority of the article (I skipped the plot for any future viewing of the film), I went through and made some fixes throughout. Please review my changes for accuracy. There are only a few offhand issues I noticed that should be resolved prior to a GAN review:
As these can be resolved prior to a reviewer looking over the article, I am going to assesses this as B for now. Please let me know if there are any questions on the above. Good job on cleaning the article up and helping to keep the dedicated topic on the series up-to-date. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 05:17, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
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Reviewer: — Mike Allen 06:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC) ✓ Pass
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parameters. Like I said in the peer review, using
WebCite to prevent
link rot is recommended (but not required). You don't necessarily have to WebCite all 126 sources, but
Entertainment Weekly,
The Hollywood Reporter are notorious about going down or being removed from the web. It may be a good idea to WebCite other news sources.
It is a tricky job to write in depth about a movie covering all aspects. The job is well done and the attitude to make revisions suggested deserves credit.-- Camdolly ( talk) 09:52, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
All of this should not take long to do and should be passed by the deadline to make a Good Topic.
Now I just need to motivation to check this "punctuation inside quotes" thing. igordebraga ≠ 05:07, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Um, I would like to know why the copyedits I made were reverted. They were made on a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests by... ahem, it seems the very editor who has now reverted my edits. The requester did ask that the copyedits be made before the article was reviewed for GA status. Unfortunately, none of my compatriots had a chance to get around to it by then. But, I see nothing wrong with copyediting an article while it is being reviewed. Certainly, I've done it several times before, and we do want to try to make the best possible article, don't we? Most of my edits without question improved the clarity of this article, in my opinion -- but I'm afraid my bridge is burned now. Bobnorwal ( talk) 04:50, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Is this poster not real or something? I'm sure it was up before and I can't see how the current one, featuring one character, can be considered better than one that compensates for four NFC images by featuring all 4 main characters.
http://www.impawards.com/2011/pirates_of_the_caribbean_on_stranger_tides_ver9.html
Darkwarriorblake ( talk) 15:07, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
Consider these facts:
So how exactly are the reviews not "mostly negative"? -- 91.10.25.182 ( talk) 18:41, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Probably because we don't always have it in articles and it's in a fairly small font on RT's website, relative to the rest of the page. Millahnna ( talk) 00:48, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
According to IMDb, the film has received 10 nominations but not all of them appear on here, neither on the franchise's awards page (even though when you count you'd think it does). Nominations missing:
I also noted the film received a nomination from the Art Directors Guild for Fantasy Film, see here http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/art-directors-guild-announces-nominations-277724 I don't know which awards should appear on both pages or which ones should ONLY appear on the main awards page.-- Sofffie7 ( talk) 21:16, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering: it says that the film's budget is between $150 million and $250 million. There are references for both prices. But the reference for $250 million is from the Box Office Mojo, which is a VERY reliable source. The reference for $150 million is some reviewer who isn't citing where he got his information. The box office mojo is an official website that basically gets their information right from the studio. I would like to delete the "$150 million" thing and say it's budgeted at $250 million. Can anyone back me up? The Shadow-Fighter ( talk) 19:38, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
when I try to add "American" to the movie , Darkwarriorblake revert it, the movie is from United States, so need to have the "American" Thanks. MervinVillarreal ( talk) 18:12, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
so? 190.198.26.57 ( talk) 18:52, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
It said on the (edit screen) main page that Syrena's reasoning for taking Philip underwater is never explained. I know that others may have different opinions to this, but to me, it's perfectly clear. At White Cap Bay, Derrick (one of Blackbeard's pirates) said, "I heard it said that a kiss from a mermaid protects a sailor from drowning." The pirates were then dragged underwater and eaten because of their evil hearts and evil intentions. But Syrena saw that Philip was not like them. Philip fell in love with Syrena and she reciprocates his feelings. She saved him and gave him the power of protection from drowning and took him underwater so they could be together. Other's may disagree with this, but that's the way I see it. I hope others will as well. High Orbit ( talk) 16:54, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
There have been some recent edits replacing the $378.5 million figure with a range of $180–250 million. The $180–250 million figure is out of date information; when the film was released back in 2011 there was a range of estimates from news outlets such as Variety ($150 million), LA Times ($200 million) and Box Office Mojo ($250 million), but recent developments make these amounts irrelevant.
In July 2014 Forbes magazine reported it had obtained financial statements revealing the cost of the production at $410.6 million, minus a $32.1 million rebate under the UK's Film Tax Relief system. As the reporter explains in the article: "Shooting in the United Kingdom made it eligible for a government film tax credit scheme which entitles movies with expenditure of more than $34.1 million (£20 million) to claim back up to 20% of their production costs. The expenses of movies qualifying for the scheme are consolidated in a single company which is unusual in the film industry. It makes it easier to work out a movie’s entitlement under the tax credit scheme and it gives great insight into its finances."
While the article does not explicitly give the budget, it gives the cost ($410.6 million) and the rebate ($32.1 million) so it is possible to calculate the budget by subtracting the rebate from the cost (permitted on Wikipedia by WP:CALC). This is made clearer in the case of John Carter where Forbes do bother to provide the budget figure: "It filed four sets of financial statements between 2010 to 2013 with the latter becoming available this year. Total costs came to $306.6 million (£192.6 million) and peaked annually at $130.6 million (£85 million) in 2010 when 435 staff worked on the production ... The financial statements reveal that the British tax authority handed Disney $42.9 million (£27.1 million) to make John Carter ... The tax payment to John Carter gave the picture a net budget of $263.7 million which is far more than estimates predicted."
Now, if editors take the time to read the two Forbes articles it will be clear to them that these figures are not estimates, as is usually the case with film budgets. They are taken from accounts submitted by Disney to the British government under its tax relief scheme, and audited by the UK tax authority. There is absolutely no reason to defer to outdated estimates when we have audited figures at our disposal. Betty Logan ( talk) 06:42, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
since the quoted in forbes was released the dollar/euro exchange rate has changed not its £240.7 million which at todays exchange rate is $311,923,130.00 US Dollar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.79.80.120 ( talk) 15:18, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Was told to bring it up here to reach consensus with other editors, so here goes. As noted, the fourth Pirates movie uses elements from Tim Power's book On Stranger Tides. What isn't noted, however, is what the "brief mermaid reference" was actually referring to. Taking what was actually written in Powers' book, they were not referred to as "mermaids" but "suck-you-byes". Personally, I'd rather note what was in the book itself (assuming it's enough as a "cited source") rather than mislead the readers with the un-referenced mermaids...of course, that's assuming anyone actually reads the book.
If I may be so bold as to suggest this paragraph, or something similar to it, as the final edit should it be made...
Please put some insight into this semi-important matter. At least for actual book-readers. Thanks for any input! 71.30.30.122 ( talk) 13:36, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
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For the past week, I've been working on a series of revisions for this page. Several of these edits help the article meet the standards listed in the Film MOS, while other edits simply improve the organization, references, and flow of the article. The film will be released in less than a month, so I think these edits are both necessary and urgent. A link to my revisions can be found here.
Here's a summary of what these edits include:
I'd love to get some feedback on my draft so that we can bring this article up to speed. As previously mentioned, the film is coming out on May 20, so I think there's an immediate need to get these edits implemented. Any and all feedback is welcome. Thanks. -- TravisBernard ( talk) 23:08, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
MPAA ratings are typically not included within Wikipedia articles unless it is extremely notable (see Rio (film)). Even if we decide to include this, I don't think it should be in the introduction paragraph. Instead, it should be moved to the production section. Thoughts? -- TravisBernard ( talk) 13:02, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Should we make a new article for the POTC version of Blackbeard? We could name it Blackbeard (Pirates of the Caribbean).-- Max Tomos ( talk) 12:09, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
I have a question regarding the Studio and Distributed by section of this film's infobox (and others like it). If the film was released by Walt Disney Pictures, should it say Walt Disney Pictures in both the studio category and the distribution category or should the company's distribution arm ( Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures), also be credited as distributor? I am confused on whether who's specifically the distributor for the film. ~ Jedi94 ( talk) 19:04, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
This is wrong, the majority of the Brethren Court in At Worlds End were historical pirates. 78.86.8.163 ( talk) 07:31, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that the revised plot contains several spoilers? I've seen the movie twice already, and I believe the plot sections should be trimmed down, and spoiler free.-- TravisBernard ( talk) 19:06, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a spoiler free zone. Those wishing to not be spoiled about subjects should avoid encyclopedia entries that describe said subjects in detail. -- Aml830 ( talk) 19:30, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
The design of the Fountain of Youth in the film is clearly a nod to the 1960s Star Trek episode The City on the Edge of Forever (see the infobox). A review here mentions this, is this reliable enough for the article?-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:41, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
In Germany, 1.32 mio. viewers came to the cinemas in the first week from Thursday to Sunday, making it the highest debut week for a film in 2011, surpassing Till Schweiger's Kokowääh which had 838,000 viewers in its first week. This made the film also the 1st one in 2011 to reach 1 mio. viewers as early as the debuting week and stopped Fast Five from becoming the most viewed film of the week for a 4th time by far. source-- 79.199.54.183 ( talk) 18:12, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I note the criticism due to "excessiveness". What is excessiveness supposed to mean? 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 03:11, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
We need a bulleted list of the names and aliases of all the pirates, because you all clearly have no idea about the real pirates and their folkways.
69.254.165.61 ( talk) 23:17, 3 June 2011 (UTC) Admiral Electric
As I read, the pirate societies were socially conservative in the legislature except in the areas of consent and controlled substances.
69.254.165.61 ( talk) 01:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC) Admiral Electric
Property laws were strict: without exception, one pirate might not take another pirate's property.
69.254.165.61 ( talk) 01:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC) Admiral Electric
In the case of civic emergency, the usual course of events was that one pirate would be elevated to the status of centralized investor in the solution, in order that public order not be disturbed by riot.
69.254.165.61 ( talk) 14:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC) Admiral Electric
I just want to point out that in the casting section, it says "Gerard Monaco as Spanish Captain". That is incorrect. As you can see in this official Disney image, it says that the character's name is called "Spanish Officer", not captain. So someone needs to change that, if you please. 75.89.201.239 ( talk) 07:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Tamara is not queen of the mermaids. Besides the news articles, NOTHING in the film has suggested "Oh no, it's the mermaid queen! Run for your lives!". So Tamara must be listed as just "an antagonistic mermaid". 75.91.1.5 ( talk) 09:44, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Really, the box office section is too long.
There is no need at all for such a large amount of detail - it unbalances the article. A table with figures and perhaps a brief comment would probably be more appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.70.93 ( talk) 08:15, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
First of all, I want to thank the writer for his hard work in writing all that box office news. I think the reason POTC4 requires such a long detailed box office section is because it has broken many records. However, some parts needs a bit of shortening like Latin of America and Europe. I don't mean a huge cut down but the removal of unnecessary facts and numbers from so many countries. -- Eddyghazaley ( talk) 13:32, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Should we make a sub-article about the box-office performance of On Stranger Tides similarly to Harry Potter 7 Part 2? -- Spinc5 ( talk) 20:01, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
The home media information for the film was released today. Only a little bit of information has been released, but I'm guessing the rest of the press release will follow at some point today. I started a draft for the section, which can be found here. As more information is released, I will supplement it. I would love to get some feedback on it before implementing the edits. Any and all feedback is welcome. Thanks. -- TravisBernard ( talk) 15:52, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Per a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Assessment, I have reviewed the article to see if it should be upgraded from Start class. After reading the majority of the article (I skipped the plot for any future viewing of the film), I went through and made some fixes throughout. Please review my changes for accuracy. There are only a few offhand issues I noticed that should be resolved prior to a GAN review:
As these can be resolved prior to a reviewer looking over the article, I am going to assesses this as B for now. Please let me know if there are any questions on the above. Good job on cleaning the article up and helping to keep the dedicated topic on the series up-to-date. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 05:17, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
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Reviewer: — Mike Allen 06:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC) ✓ Pass
last=|first=
parameters. Like I said in the peer review, using
WebCite to prevent
link rot is recommended (but not required). You don't necessarily have to WebCite all 126 sources, but
Entertainment Weekly,
The Hollywood Reporter are notorious about going down or being removed from the web. It may be a good idea to WebCite other news sources.
It is a tricky job to write in depth about a movie covering all aspects. The job is well done and the attitude to make revisions suggested deserves credit.-- Camdolly ( talk) 09:52, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
All of this should not take long to do and should be passed by the deadline to make a Good Topic.
Now I just need to motivation to check this "punctuation inside quotes" thing. igordebraga ≠ 05:07, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Um, I would like to know why the copyedits I made were reverted. They were made on a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests by... ahem, it seems the very editor who has now reverted my edits. The requester did ask that the copyedits be made before the article was reviewed for GA status. Unfortunately, none of my compatriots had a chance to get around to it by then. But, I see nothing wrong with copyediting an article while it is being reviewed. Certainly, I've done it several times before, and we do want to try to make the best possible article, don't we? Most of my edits without question improved the clarity of this article, in my opinion -- but I'm afraid my bridge is burned now. Bobnorwal ( talk) 04:50, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Is this poster not real or something? I'm sure it was up before and I can't see how the current one, featuring one character, can be considered better than one that compensates for four NFC images by featuring all 4 main characters.
http://www.impawards.com/2011/pirates_of_the_caribbean_on_stranger_tides_ver9.html
Darkwarriorblake ( talk) 15:07, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
Consider these facts:
So how exactly are the reviews not "mostly negative"? -- 91.10.25.182 ( talk) 18:41, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Probably because we don't always have it in articles and it's in a fairly small font on RT's website, relative to the rest of the page. Millahnna ( talk) 00:48, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
According to IMDb, the film has received 10 nominations but not all of them appear on here, neither on the franchise's awards page (even though when you count you'd think it does). Nominations missing:
I also noted the film received a nomination from the Art Directors Guild for Fantasy Film, see here http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/art-directors-guild-announces-nominations-277724 I don't know which awards should appear on both pages or which ones should ONLY appear on the main awards page.-- Sofffie7 ( talk) 21:16, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering: it says that the film's budget is between $150 million and $250 million. There are references for both prices. But the reference for $250 million is from the Box Office Mojo, which is a VERY reliable source. The reference for $150 million is some reviewer who isn't citing where he got his information. The box office mojo is an official website that basically gets their information right from the studio. I would like to delete the "$150 million" thing and say it's budgeted at $250 million. Can anyone back me up? The Shadow-Fighter ( talk) 19:38, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
when I try to add "American" to the movie , Darkwarriorblake revert it, the movie is from United States, so need to have the "American" Thanks. MervinVillarreal ( talk) 18:12, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
so? 190.198.26.57 ( talk) 18:52, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
It said on the (edit screen) main page that Syrena's reasoning for taking Philip underwater is never explained. I know that others may have different opinions to this, but to me, it's perfectly clear. At White Cap Bay, Derrick (one of Blackbeard's pirates) said, "I heard it said that a kiss from a mermaid protects a sailor from drowning." The pirates were then dragged underwater and eaten because of their evil hearts and evil intentions. But Syrena saw that Philip was not like them. Philip fell in love with Syrena and she reciprocates his feelings. She saved him and gave him the power of protection from drowning and took him underwater so they could be together. Other's may disagree with this, but that's the way I see it. I hope others will as well. High Orbit ( talk) 16:54, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
There have been some recent edits replacing the $378.5 million figure with a range of $180–250 million. The $180–250 million figure is out of date information; when the film was released back in 2011 there was a range of estimates from news outlets such as Variety ($150 million), LA Times ($200 million) and Box Office Mojo ($250 million), but recent developments make these amounts irrelevant.
In July 2014 Forbes magazine reported it had obtained financial statements revealing the cost of the production at $410.6 million, minus a $32.1 million rebate under the UK's Film Tax Relief system. As the reporter explains in the article: "Shooting in the United Kingdom made it eligible for a government film tax credit scheme which entitles movies with expenditure of more than $34.1 million (£20 million) to claim back up to 20% of their production costs. The expenses of movies qualifying for the scheme are consolidated in a single company which is unusual in the film industry. It makes it easier to work out a movie’s entitlement under the tax credit scheme and it gives great insight into its finances."
While the article does not explicitly give the budget, it gives the cost ($410.6 million) and the rebate ($32.1 million) so it is possible to calculate the budget by subtracting the rebate from the cost (permitted on Wikipedia by WP:CALC). This is made clearer in the case of John Carter where Forbes do bother to provide the budget figure: "It filed four sets of financial statements between 2010 to 2013 with the latter becoming available this year. Total costs came to $306.6 million (£192.6 million) and peaked annually at $130.6 million (£85 million) in 2010 when 435 staff worked on the production ... The financial statements reveal that the British tax authority handed Disney $42.9 million (£27.1 million) to make John Carter ... The tax payment to John Carter gave the picture a net budget of $263.7 million which is far more than estimates predicted."
Now, if editors take the time to read the two Forbes articles it will be clear to them that these figures are not estimates, as is usually the case with film budgets. They are taken from accounts submitted by Disney to the British government under its tax relief scheme, and audited by the UK tax authority. There is absolutely no reason to defer to outdated estimates when we have audited figures at our disposal. Betty Logan ( talk) 06:42, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
since the quoted in forbes was released the dollar/euro exchange rate has changed not its £240.7 million which at todays exchange rate is $311,923,130.00 US Dollar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.79.80.120 ( talk) 15:18, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Was told to bring it up here to reach consensus with other editors, so here goes. As noted, the fourth Pirates movie uses elements from Tim Power's book On Stranger Tides. What isn't noted, however, is what the "brief mermaid reference" was actually referring to. Taking what was actually written in Powers' book, they were not referred to as "mermaids" but "suck-you-byes". Personally, I'd rather note what was in the book itself (assuming it's enough as a "cited source") rather than mislead the readers with the un-referenced mermaids...of course, that's assuming anyone actually reads the book.
If I may be so bold as to suggest this paragraph, or something similar to it, as the final edit should it be made...
Please put some insight into this semi-important matter. At least for actual book-readers. Thanks for any input! 71.30.30.122 ( talk) 13:36, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
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Betty Logan change the budget. Pirates 4 today cost $331 milion, no $410 milion Jacopo Alighieri ( talk) 11:21, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
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