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I found parts of this article difficult to understand: the prose was lumpy. I've attempted to make it more readable, but this is not a subject of which I have any knowledge, and it's possible that I've misunderstood something. You're welcome to look in the History to compare my rewrite with what came before, and to fix where appropriate. -- Hoary 05:25, 2005 Jan 16 (UTC)
Where exactly does the Edward I quote come from. I have a very hard time believing anybody was actually around to record that quote.
Yah. "You wretched son of a whore!" cried King Edward. "Do you want to give away lands now? You who have never gained any? As God lives, if not for fear of breaking up the kingdom, I would never let you enjoy your inheritance!" Sounds like a Sunday night costume drama; not a text book.
It is not likely accurate. Of all the things that Longshanks would, might have, or did call his son-- and undoubtely they were many and vehement-- 'son of a whore' is not one of them. He would be, after all, referring to Eleanor of Castile.
I am curious as to why no mention was made of the homosexuality of Gaveston,presumed,fictional or otherwise.I am surprised that no mention is made of Derek Jarmans film Edward II.
The article is wrong to claim Gaveston was beheaded in Kenilworth. He was executed on Blacklow Hill in Warwick - a monument stands there to comemorate this.
http://www.search.windowsonwarwickshire.org.uk/engine/theme/default.asp?theme=1573&text=0 Steve-g 19:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I find it strangely disappointing that, after seven centuries of people recognizing that Piers Gaveston had a homosexual relationship with King Edward II, our Bible-thumping, Dark-Age Wikipedians now find it necessary to sweep this bit of history under the rug.
No, it is central to the story and cannot be denied. Piers was executed at least in part for being gay. Denying this is like denying the Holocaust. 68.211.77.10 07:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Piers Gaveston is described as Edward II's 'alleged' lover because, despite what you seem to think, there's really no direct historical evidence that the men were *definitely* lovers. Yes, they probably were. Certainly they were extremely close, emotionally. But without being able to time travel back to Edward II's bedchamber, there's no way of knowing for certain.
By the way, did you know that both Edward and Piers had illegitimate children as well as legitimate ones? And what's your evidence for claiming that P{iers was executed at least partly for being gay? Comparing denial of Piers' homosexuality to denial of the Holocaust is ludicrous and extremely offensive. AlianoreD 20:01, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Please let not all people who have been persecuted through time (which is just about everyone, at one time or another) compare their plight to jews throughout history, let alone during the holocaust period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.108.29 ( talk) 17:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
The reference to Roger Mortimer of Wigmore does not appear accurate. Gaveston was born after Roger Mortimer of Wigmore was dead. Roger Mortimer of Wigmore was succeeded by his son Edmund of Mortimer who died in 1304. Edmund was succeeded by his son Roger Mortimer who deposed and murdered Edward II.
In the section "Ireland and return" appears "Further to this, he was appointed the King's Lieutenant of Ireland..." Lieutenant of Ireland links to Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, but that page states it's specifically about the role as existed from 1690 to 1922, well after Gaveston's time. Would Chief governor of Ireland be a more appropriate link? It does cover Gaveston's period, and the List of chief governors of Ireland it in turn links to does include him. ArthenNikolai ( talk) 15:02, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Reviewer:
Sarastro1 (
talk) 22:30, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
I will review this article over the next few days. My first impression is that there should be no real problems. Only minor points or queries so far.
Lead
Family background and early life
More to follow, it may take a day or two. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 22:30, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
First exile and return
Earl of Cornwall
More later. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 21:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Ireland and return
Ordinances and final exile
Return and death
Aftermath
Question of homosexuality
General
Very enjoyable article. Bits of the prose need ironing out, as indicated above, but comprehensive and well researched. I will put on hold for a week, but I don't see anything to stop the article passing. Apologies for being pedantic! -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 19:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Great stuff: left a couple of comments above, but nothing now to stop it passing. Great article. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 19:12, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
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I found parts of this article difficult to understand: the prose was lumpy. I've attempted to make it more readable, but this is not a subject of which I have any knowledge, and it's possible that I've misunderstood something. You're welcome to look in the History to compare my rewrite with what came before, and to fix where appropriate. -- Hoary 05:25, 2005 Jan 16 (UTC)
Where exactly does the Edward I quote come from. I have a very hard time believing anybody was actually around to record that quote.
Yah. "You wretched son of a whore!" cried King Edward. "Do you want to give away lands now? You who have never gained any? As God lives, if not for fear of breaking up the kingdom, I would never let you enjoy your inheritance!" Sounds like a Sunday night costume drama; not a text book.
It is not likely accurate. Of all the things that Longshanks would, might have, or did call his son-- and undoubtely they were many and vehement-- 'son of a whore' is not one of them. He would be, after all, referring to Eleanor of Castile.
I am curious as to why no mention was made of the homosexuality of Gaveston,presumed,fictional or otherwise.I am surprised that no mention is made of Derek Jarmans film Edward II.
The article is wrong to claim Gaveston was beheaded in Kenilworth. He was executed on Blacklow Hill in Warwick - a monument stands there to comemorate this.
http://www.search.windowsonwarwickshire.org.uk/engine/theme/default.asp?theme=1573&text=0 Steve-g 19:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I find it strangely disappointing that, after seven centuries of people recognizing that Piers Gaveston had a homosexual relationship with King Edward II, our Bible-thumping, Dark-Age Wikipedians now find it necessary to sweep this bit of history under the rug.
No, it is central to the story and cannot be denied. Piers was executed at least in part for being gay. Denying this is like denying the Holocaust. 68.211.77.10 07:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Piers Gaveston is described as Edward II's 'alleged' lover because, despite what you seem to think, there's really no direct historical evidence that the men were *definitely* lovers. Yes, they probably were. Certainly they were extremely close, emotionally. But without being able to time travel back to Edward II's bedchamber, there's no way of knowing for certain.
By the way, did you know that both Edward and Piers had illegitimate children as well as legitimate ones? And what's your evidence for claiming that P{iers was executed at least partly for being gay? Comparing denial of Piers' homosexuality to denial of the Holocaust is ludicrous and extremely offensive. AlianoreD 20:01, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Please let not all people who have been persecuted through time (which is just about everyone, at one time or another) compare their plight to jews throughout history, let alone during the holocaust period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.108.29 ( talk) 17:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
The reference to Roger Mortimer of Wigmore does not appear accurate. Gaveston was born after Roger Mortimer of Wigmore was dead. Roger Mortimer of Wigmore was succeeded by his son Edmund of Mortimer who died in 1304. Edmund was succeeded by his son Roger Mortimer who deposed and murdered Edward II.
In the section "Ireland and return" appears "Further to this, he was appointed the King's Lieutenant of Ireland..." Lieutenant of Ireland links to Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, but that page states it's specifically about the role as existed from 1690 to 1922, well after Gaveston's time. Would Chief governor of Ireland be a more appropriate link? It does cover Gaveston's period, and the List of chief governors of Ireland it in turn links to does include him. ArthenNikolai ( talk) 15:02, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Reviewer:
Sarastro1 (
talk) 22:30, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
I will review this article over the next few days. My first impression is that there should be no real problems. Only minor points or queries so far.
Lead
Family background and early life
More to follow, it may take a day or two. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 22:30, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
First exile and return
Earl of Cornwall
More later. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 21:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Ireland and return
Ordinances and final exile
Return and death
Aftermath
Question of homosexuality
General
Very enjoyable article. Bits of the prose need ironing out, as indicated above, but comprehensive and well researched. I will put on hold for a week, but I don't see anything to stop the article passing. Apologies for being pedantic! -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 19:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Great stuff: left a couple of comments above, but nothing now to stop it passing. Great article. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 19:12, 11 October 2010 (UTC)