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Boy, this one was a doozie! I found TWO articles today on the H-25/HUP: once called Piasecki HUP Retriever, and the otehr called HUP Retriever. Both were moves from other pages, maybe more than once. Both had merge tags to H-25, a redirect page which has never had an article; to top it off, both tages were added by the same person!! This is why WIkipedia advises doing a search for a specific name before creating a new article.
By checking the History, I discovered that the HUP Retriever article was older, and so I moved the info from the other page to this one. There's not much to merge, but there are 2 specs, and with all the rest involved here, I haven't had a chance to check out which is accurate, or uses the right template. My guess after what I've seen today is that neither one will be right.
Now, on to the Renaming: So, what to do when there are conflicting names and standards for an aircraft? Make one up, of course, which is what appears to have been done for both articles already!
No!!! Check Wikipedia:Naming conventions (aircraft):
Very clear, only, not so clear with this aircraft. (What a surprise, huh?) It has both a Navy/MC designation (HUP Retriever) and an Amry designation (H-25 Army Mule). The usual practice is to defer to the older and/or better-known name, which in this casse in the Navy one. But, in 1962, the Navy/MC aircraft were redesignated according to the Tri-Service system as UH-25s. Usually tri-service designations are given precedent, so Piasecki H-25 would be the preferred name, as both aircraft had different popular names. But of course, that page is a redirect, can't move it there; same with Piasecki HUP.
Rather that waiting out the whole Move request/delete/rename process, I split the difference, and went with Piasecki H-25/HUP. A little unorthodox, but the best solution available at the time.
I'm only intending this name as a temporary solution. If someone feels there is a better name available, let's discuss it, and see what we can come up with. As that choice is most likely a redirct page, we'll have to get a consesnus first, then find an administratior to move it. Oh well; such is life on Wikipedia! - BillCJ 18:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Given the lenghty explanation already here for why I chose this name, I don't appreciate it being moved again without discussion. I have reverted the move. If someone feels the article needs to renamed, please use the Move discussion process, as it is now obvious that someone objects to renaming it again! Thanks. - BillCJ 03:48, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
As an anonymous user, I cannot create new pages, but one of you registered Wikipedians surely can. Please create Piasecki HUP-1 and HUP-1 and redirect them here. 68.72.10.51 ( talk) 14:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Rename. I will preserve the history of the target page at Piasecki H-25 Army Mule. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:55, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Piasecki H-25 →
Piasecki HUP Retriever – match aviation project standard convention (@
WP:AVINAME &
WP:AVIMOS) of best known manufacturer - designation - name - helicopter was mainly used by the US Navy, who called it Piasecki HUP Retriever from 1948 until 1962. H-25 designation only applied to the US Army examples, which made up a small portion of those built (even if the Army designaton is chosen, the page should have been either Piasecki UH-25 Retriever (a designation used only from 1962-1964) or Piasecki H-25 Mule (US Army designation used 1955-1962) - name change discussed but not carried out because of over-ride needed as a result of a redirect history involving duplicated pages that were merged.
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I cant seem get a total of 339 as shown in the infobox:
Gives 338 if you include the two prototypes, anybody know where I have gone wrong ? anybody have a reliable source for 339? MilborneOne ( talk) 21:21, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
I recently removed the "notable accident" as I could see why it is noteworthy. User:Carguychris disagrees and has added the accident back. I still cant see anything with the accident that makes it noteworthy, nobody notable was killed and didnt involve a change in regulations. It may also suffer from recentism. MilborneOne ( talk) 17:03, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
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Boy, this one was a doozie! I found TWO articles today on the H-25/HUP: once called Piasecki HUP Retriever, and the otehr called HUP Retriever. Both were moves from other pages, maybe more than once. Both had merge tags to H-25, a redirect page which has never had an article; to top it off, both tages were added by the same person!! This is why WIkipedia advises doing a search for a specific name before creating a new article.
By checking the History, I discovered that the HUP Retriever article was older, and so I moved the info from the other page to this one. There's not much to merge, but there are 2 specs, and with all the rest involved here, I haven't had a chance to check out which is accurate, or uses the right template. My guess after what I've seen today is that neither one will be right.
Now, on to the Renaming: So, what to do when there are conflicting names and standards for an aircraft? Make one up, of course, which is what appears to have been done for both articles already!
No!!! Check Wikipedia:Naming conventions (aircraft):
Very clear, only, not so clear with this aircraft. (What a surprise, huh?) It has both a Navy/MC designation (HUP Retriever) and an Amry designation (H-25 Army Mule). The usual practice is to defer to the older and/or better-known name, which in this casse in the Navy one. But, in 1962, the Navy/MC aircraft were redesignated according to the Tri-Service system as UH-25s. Usually tri-service designations are given precedent, so Piasecki H-25 would be the preferred name, as both aircraft had different popular names. But of course, that page is a redirect, can't move it there; same with Piasecki HUP.
Rather that waiting out the whole Move request/delete/rename process, I split the difference, and went with Piasecki H-25/HUP. A little unorthodox, but the best solution available at the time.
I'm only intending this name as a temporary solution. If someone feels there is a better name available, let's discuss it, and see what we can come up with. As that choice is most likely a redirct page, we'll have to get a consesnus first, then find an administratior to move it. Oh well; such is life on Wikipedia! - BillCJ 18:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Given the lenghty explanation already here for why I chose this name, I don't appreciate it being moved again without discussion. I have reverted the move. If someone feels the article needs to renamed, please use the Move discussion process, as it is now obvious that someone objects to renaming it again! Thanks. - BillCJ 03:48, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
As an anonymous user, I cannot create new pages, but one of you registered Wikipedians surely can. Please create Piasecki HUP-1 and HUP-1 and redirect them here. 68.72.10.51 ( talk) 14:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Rename. I will preserve the history of the target page at Piasecki H-25 Army Mule. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:55, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Piasecki H-25 →
Piasecki HUP Retriever – match aviation project standard convention (@
WP:AVINAME &
WP:AVIMOS) of best known manufacturer - designation - name - helicopter was mainly used by the US Navy, who called it Piasecki HUP Retriever from 1948 until 1962. H-25 designation only applied to the US Army examples, which made up a small portion of those built (even if the Army designaton is chosen, the page should have been either Piasecki UH-25 Retriever (a designation used only from 1962-1964) or Piasecki H-25 Mule (US Army designation used 1955-1962) - name change discussed but not carried out because of over-ride needed as a result of a redirect history involving duplicated pages that were merged.
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I cant seem get a total of 339 as shown in the infobox:
Gives 338 if you include the two prototypes, anybody know where I have gone wrong ? anybody have a reliable source for 339? MilborneOne ( talk) 21:21, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
I recently removed the "notable accident" as I could see why it is noteworthy. User:Carguychris disagrees and has added the accident back. I still cant see anything with the accident that makes it noteworthy, nobody notable was killed and didnt involve a change in regulations. It may also suffer from recentism. MilborneOne ( talk) 17:03, 6 November 2018 (UTC)