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the Wikipedia effect will distort history for students
This article is a good example of the distorted view of history that Wikipedia will eventually produce for students. In 2013 memory still preserves the knowledge that Phyllis Newman was a major Broadway and television figure, married to the tremendously important Adolph Green (of Comden and Green), Leonard Bernstein's alter ego. But that was thirty years ago. She isn't remembered at all by the average twenty-something Wiki editor, and she gets a biography smaller than actors who played supporting characters on LOST or CSI Miami-- call it the Wikipedia Effect. For subjects before 1990, which is as far back as most Wiki editors personally recall by 2013, Wikipedia should be corrected by traditional print sources. In Newman's case there is an autobiography, and she appears in any Broadway history of the Bernstein era.
Profhum (
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23:49, 2 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Good point with the only issue being finding acceptable sources that are easily available to the average editor amd then doing the work of improving the article. Not as easy as it sounds as the internet has become the defacto method of finding sources (itself being a source) since print sources from the early time period of Newman's life would have to already be owned by an editor to be useful. I get it for sure.
THX1136 (
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01:14, 8 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Profhum and
THX1136, I often use Newspapers.com and The New York Times (via ProQuest) to find what was contemporary coverage of entertainers from the past. That approach won't completely offset the phenomenon described in the first paragraph, but sometimes I find nuggets of information to plug into articles.
Media History Digital Library provides access to a number of magazines from the past with content related to entertainers, and
World Radio History has magazines related to radio and television.
Eddie Blick (
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02:15, 8 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Her son
An edit added a link to
Adam Green (journalist). Can we be sure that he is Newman's son? I have no idea whether he is, but two factors make me wonder: 1) The
cited source following his name says, "She also raised two children, Adam and Amanda." with no mention of Adam's being a journalist. 2) The Adam Green (journalist) article does not mention Newman (or, for that matter, anything about his family).
Eddie Blick (
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23:48, 13 September 2019 (UTC)reply
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the Wikipedia effect will distort history for students
This article is a good example of the distorted view of history that Wikipedia will eventually produce for students. In 2013 memory still preserves the knowledge that Phyllis Newman was a major Broadway and television figure, married to the tremendously important Adolph Green (of Comden and Green), Leonard Bernstein's alter ego. But that was thirty years ago. She isn't remembered at all by the average twenty-something Wiki editor, and she gets a biography smaller than actors who played supporting characters on LOST or CSI Miami-- call it the Wikipedia Effect. For subjects before 1990, which is as far back as most Wiki editors personally recall by 2013, Wikipedia should be corrected by traditional print sources. In Newman's case there is an autobiography, and she appears in any Broadway history of the Bernstein era.
Profhum (
talk)
23:49, 2 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Good point with the only issue being finding acceptable sources that are easily available to the average editor amd then doing the work of improving the article. Not as easy as it sounds as the internet has become the defacto method of finding sources (itself being a source) since print sources from the early time period of Newman's life would have to already be owned by an editor to be useful. I get it for sure.
THX1136 (
talk)
01:14, 8 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Profhum and
THX1136, I often use Newspapers.com and The New York Times (via ProQuest) to find what was contemporary coverage of entertainers from the past. That approach won't completely offset the phenomenon described in the first paragraph, but sometimes I find nuggets of information to plug into articles.
Media History Digital Library provides access to a number of magazines from the past with content related to entertainers, and
World Radio History has magazines related to radio and television.
Eddie Blick (
talk)
02:15, 8 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Her son
An edit added a link to
Adam Green (journalist). Can we be sure that he is Newman's son? I have no idea whether he is, but two factors make me wonder: 1) The
cited source following his name says, "She also raised two children, Adam and Amanda." with no mention of Adam's being a journalist. 2) The Adam Green (journalist) article does not mention Newman (or, for that matter, anything about his family).
Eddie Blick (
talk)
23:48, 13 September 2019 (UTC)reply