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Seems better to keep organized by state then city, per a long discussion at WikiProject Disambiguation. There would be a link to that discussion from wp:NRHPdab. Happy to discuss further. doncram ( talk) 23:07, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
(unindent) doncram, I'll never understand why you always address me in the third person. Please don't. I don't have time to read the entire thread right now. But my "this" is obviously only an example. You can change the the lede anytime you want. As it stood then, it only included NRHP properties, but if there are not NRHP properties then it could just say "historic properties". Any editor who has half a lick of sense can easily change the lede if they find the need to add something to the list that doesn't happen to be a historic property. But since these type of dab pages tend to be mostly about NRHP properties, I think it makes sense to state that up front. As far as moving your thread, your general comments and poll seemed to be tied to the thread more generally, while my comments directly referenced the comment directly above mine. After the edit conflict, I didn't have time to rewrite my post, so I just pasted what I had already written before your post came in. It looked like the thread still made sense, especially since I attached the disclaimer about the ec. Anyway, putting your poll in a separate section makes sense, so since we're not here to address the finer points of talk page formatting, I hope that explains. More later when I have time. Katr67 ( talk) 04:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
(reformatted into a separate discussion section, and reformatted, by doncram)
Thanks for comments. I dropped the gas station one, it was my error not to remove it already. The list is derived from a report of all NRHP listings having the word "Phillips", then pared down to remove many non-relevant ones. It is possible that the Folly one is not a house, too, but I don't know until an article is created.
About the state abbreviations, there is and was never any use of the two-letter abbreviations of a state, without the spelled out state name being provided in the same line. It seems useful to use the same phrase "listed on the NRHP in State" for all NRHP entries, either as a bluelink to the corresponding state-wide list of NRHPs, or unlinked. Following three types of entries use state abbreviations 0, 1, 1 times, with state spelled out 2, 1, 1 times.
Set 1
Alternative, to spell out the state every time, uses abbreviations 0, 0, 0, shows state spelled out 2, 2, 2 times:
Set 2
I think the first set is better, being a bit shorter and having no real ambiguity. In longer NRHP disambiguation pages it seems even more important to shorten by use of selected abbreviations where meaning is clear enough. If there were 10 in a row instances like the Phillips Mansion row, it becomes even more clear visually that CA = California, and CA doesn't need to be spelled out, IMO. I don't mind changing the practice though, if there is a consensus the state be spelled out as in set 2, when people look at that. Please comment on set 1 vs. set 2 (or perhaps present another set showing how change could be implemented). Thanks! doncram ( talk) 19:30, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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Seems better to keep organized by state then city, per a long discussion at WikiProject Disambiguation. There would be a link to that discussion from wp:NRHPdab. Happy to discuss further. doncram ( talk) 23:07, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
(unindent) doncram, I'll never understand why you always address me in the third person. Please don't. I don't have time to read the entire thread right now. But my "this" is obviously only an example. You can change the the lede anytime you want. As it stood then, it only included NRHP properties, but if there are not NRHP properties then it could just say "historic properties". Any editor who has half a lick of sense can easily change the lede if they find the need to add something to the list that doesn't happen to be a historic property. But since these type of dab pages tend to be mostly about NRHP properties, I think it makes sense to state that up front. As far as moving your thread, your general comments and poll seemed to be tied to the thread more generally, while my comments directly referenced the comment directly above mine. After the edit conflict, I didn't have time to rewrite my post, so I just pasted what I had already written before your post came in. It looked like the thread still made sense, especially since I attached the disclaimer about the ec. Anyway, putting your poll in a separate section makes sense, so since we're not here to address the finer points of talk page formatting, I hope that explains. More later when I have time. Katr67 ( talk) 04:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
(reformatted into a separate discussion section, and reformatted, by doncram)
Thanks for comments. I dropped the gas station one, it was my error not to remove it already. The list is derived from a report of all NRHP listings having the word "Phillips", then pared down to remove many non-relevant ones. It is possible that the Folly one is not a house, too, but I don't know until an article is created.
About the state abbreviations, there is and was never any use of the two-letter abbreviations of a state, without the spelled out state name being provided in the same line. It seems useful to use the same phrase "listed on the NRHP in State" for all NRHP entries, either as a bluelink to the corresponding state-wide list of NRHPs, or unlinked. Following three types of entries use state abbreviations 0, 1, 1 times, with state spelled out 2, 1, 1 times.
Set 1
Alternative, to spell out the state every time, uses abbreviations 0, 0, 0, shows state spelled out 2, 2, 2 times:
Set 2
I think the first set is better, being a bit shorter and having no real ambiguity. In longer NRHP disambiguation pages it seems even more important to shorten by use of selected abbreviations where meaning is clear enough. If there were 10 in a row instances like the Phillips Mansion row, it becomes even more clear visually that CA = California, and CA doesn't need to be spelled out, IMO. I don't mind changing the practice though, if there is a consensus the state be spelled out as in set 2, when people look at that. Please comment on set 1 vs. set 2 (or perhaps present another set showing how change could be implemented). Thanks! doncram ( talk) 19:30, 6 April 2009 (UTC)