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"For comparison, although the Philippines is only slightly larger then the US State of Arizona, it has about 16 times the population and population density." --JM
Why are CALABARZON and MIMAROPA all upper case? -- Zoe
Is it necessary to have history here AND in the history of the philippines?
im doing it now Vera Cruz done Vera Cruz
I've completed the template for this country, but I'm left with some uncertainties. Could anyone (I'm guessing seav would be a good candidate) clarify what the exact status of the Filipino language is and how English ties into it all? The Factbook and pages here seem to suggest both are of equal official status, but the Philippine government pages and the State department make a distinction in their status, with English not entirely equal to Filipino. Also, just what is the difference between the Filipino language and Pilipino?
Allow me to display my horrible ignorance. :)
Although Filipino (for practical purposes is Tagalog) and English are the official languages, Filipinos use Tagalog ( or native vernaculars like Cebuano, Ilonggo, etc.) for informal purposes and English for formal purposes . The spoken/oral language is Tagalog and other vernaculars like Ilonngo, Cebuano, Ilocano,etc..
The written language is English.
Filipinos would much rather have their text books like calculus, physics, chemistry, etc. written and taught in English rather than Tagalog. At home with family and friends however, most use their vernaculars (Tagalog for most). If English is used, there is an air or atmosphere of formality such as in school, government, ceremonies, etc.. It would be horrible nightmare for us Filipinos to study Engineering or Medicine in Pure Tagalog.
Pilipino is a more native word or pronounciation for Filipino, just like Nipponggo or Nihonggo is to Japanese, or Francais to French. There is no f sound in the original Tagalog.
Since Filipinos are very well oriented with English, a large influx of English words is expected into Tagalog. It is customary to substitue English words even if the word exists in the original vernacular.
Note also that natives like to speak their own vernaculars. e.g. Cebuanos and Illongo speakers don't like to speak Tagalog in their hometowns.
Jondel 10:23, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)~~
-- I taught Physics in the country and many of the vernacular languages do not have native terms for many scientific concepts so almost all variables and terms had to be in english but the explanations can be in any language.
- Thats cool, good University. I agree with you, like I said explanations can be in any language. I don't want to start an arguement with you and hope you did not take offense. Anyways the local dialect where I taught was Kinaraya and is a cool language.
Finally, I've altered the national motto. My research revealed that "Isang Bansa, Isang Diwa" was indeed the motto under Marcos and perhaps later, but the Republic Act No. 8491 from 1998 states under Ch. 3, Sec. 40 the current motto, which also seems to be part of the Philippine Pledge of Allegiance. The English translation is mine and may be somewhat incorrect, though I believe it covers the four parts. Please correct if necessary. -Scipius 17:24 29 May 2003 (UTC)
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Maka-Diyos, Maka-Tao, Makakalikasan at Makabansa
Declared—
June 12,
1898 (from
Spain).
Trying out World Book Encyclopedia–style fact list. What do you think?— seav 07:44 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)
The article on General John Pershing says that he was appointed governor of the Philippines "Moro Province" in 1909. I assume this was some sub-division of the Philippines at the time that is no longer used? I could find no info at either Regions of the Philippines or Provinces of the Philippines. Does someone have some info on this, and perhaps any other formerly used historic divisions? -- Infrogmation 20:46, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'd like to open a new page or category in one of the Filipino web page.
I reverted the changes which decreased the estimate of the native Malay population from 95% down to 80%, and the suggestion that 20% of Filipinos are mestizos. [The estimates stating 95% of the population being native Filipino are agreed upon the Filipino government, the latest Filipino census, and can be found quoted on the pages of Filipino embassy and consulate websites.]
Not only is 20% a gigantic overestimation of Filipino mestizos, but it is also historically impossible. There just weren’t enough Spaniards to have created such an immense proportion of past or present Filipinos to be mestizo.
Off all the Spanish colonies, the Philippines had the tiniest number of Spaniards, both in real numbers and as a percentage. And of these Spaniards, only a few fathered offspring in the Philippines, and of those that did father mestizos most were friars or priests.
Large-scale immigration of Spaniards, as happened in Latin America, never occurred in the Philippines. Historical evidence in Spain indicates that Spanish migrants to the Americas almost drained the entire population of Extremadura, as well as significant numbers from other regions. This never happened for the Philippines. The few that did go to the Philippines weren’t Spanish, they were mostly Mexicans, who themselves later returned to Mexico.
Added to this, native Filipinos didn’t die in the millions of introduced diseases. Native Americans had no immunities for Old World diseases, and in some areas 90% of the original populations died withing the first few years of conquest. Filipinos didn’t experience this holocaust because they are located in Asia, one of the three Old World continents, they had these diseases and the immunities to combat them.
The suggestion that the original small population of Filipino mestizos eventually mixed back into the native population, endowing every modern Filipino (or even 20% of Filipinos) with an extremely diluted amount of Spanish blood and ancesrty, is a fanaticized hypothesis.
Spanish mestizos in the Philippines were a very small and privileged minority, never surpassing more than 1% of the population at any given period. Because of the high status these half-breed-Spaniards held they were extremely endogamous, never again mixing back with natives. They thought of themselves as a separate class and ethnicity. The idea that they melded back into the native majority to make "mestizos" out of every living Filipino would suggest that they went against everything that they were taught. Mixing back with a native would "taint" the mestizo with more Malay blood than he “unfortunately” already had. Why - when the ideal for the mestizo was to have (and aspire for subsequent offspring and descendants to have) as little native ancestry as possible - would they then marry back into the native population? Answer; Filipino mestizos didn’t.
If anything, the argument could work for Latin America. Mestizos in Latin America were a growing majority, while unmixed Spaniards were a healthy large minority. So there was nothing special about the mestizos there, they had no special status, and the idealization of the Latin American wasn’t to be a mestizo - because most were this - it was to be a Spaniard. So it wasn't uncommon for Latin American mestizos to marry back into native communities; here it could be said that some Amerindians might have Spanish ancestry through an absorbed mestizo ancestor, but not in the case of the Philippines.
But anyway, the existance or not of Spanish genes among "pure Native Americans" isn't the topic.
To this day in the Philippines, because almost everyone is native (95%), the ideal is to be mestizo, and most Filipinos will falsely claim to be so, even citing the "mestiza great-great-grand-mother" or Spanish "great-great-grand-father", with no evidence other than a Spanish surname [and let's not even start with how Filipinos acquired Spanish surnames]. In Latin America, apart from the relatively large unmixed European population (aprox. 30%), the great majority are mixed-bloods ( mestizos and mulattos combined, aprox. 50%) and becasue of this, the ideal is to be unmixed Spanish. So in Latin America's case, many of the mixed-bloods will falsley claim to be pure Spanish. This is called colonial mentality. Al-Andalus 03:19, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I've read the talk but couldn't find anything relevant to this issue. How come this article is at "Philippines" and not "The Philippines"? Mike H 18:53, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
Why has the motto been reverted to "Isang Bansa, Isang diwa"?
Other entries, like History of the Philippines, link to Baybayin. The main Philippines entry should, also. The entry for Baybayin begins:
Baybayin or Alibata is a pre-Hispanic Tagalog writing system that originated from the Javanese script Kavi. The writing system was believed to be in use as early as the 14th Century and was still in use during the Spanish colonization of the Philippine Islands. The term baybayin literally means spelling. Closely related scripts are Hanunóo, Buhid, and Tagbanwa.
-- just wanted to add my username to this entry -- iiams
The opening paragraph states that there are three predominantly Christian nations in Asia: Timor-Leste, The Phillipines, and South Korea. Am I correct in thinking that Papua New Guniea, Armenia, Georgia, and Cyprus all fit that description as well? Should the article be revised so that it mentions only the East Asian countries, or should all be listed?
I have lived in the rural areas of the Philippines for 1-2 years. I am married to a Filipina. Please, I know this is a sensitive issue---and it was ceratinly never broached during the recent presidential campaign and election---but I believe mention of it is important to any in-depth description/discussion of the Philippines. That issue is overpopulation by way of its highest birth rate in all of Asia. The Catholic church is no champion of birth control, no one would dispute that fact. Perhaps this topic is overdue for discussion, and someone could integrate it into the Wikipedia article here on the Philippines. I worry for the country: wonderful, polite, hardworking people, who will be hampered to some extent I believe by a basic lack of awareness of the importance of family planning. I look forward to your comments and to a possible addition/edit in the main article at some point. Cheers.
I 'll e inserting the par below. I expect a lot of grill on this. Oh well , part of wikipedia life .
The country suffers from overpopulation by way of its highest birth rate in all of Asia. The Catholic church is no champion of birth control and impedes efforts government and NGO efforts in education and awareness of birth control and the population explotion crisis. -- Jondel 14:29, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
WHO ERASED THE WHOLE ARTICLE? I PUT IT BACK! PLEASE DON'T ERASE! :
How can the writer be so sure that socialist policies are the reason of the undevelopment? I don't exactlıy know the history of the country but I really wonder the reasons.
and also, it should be realized that Tagalog/Filipino is the most spoken language because it is the local language of Manila. It is not spoken natively by the most people in the Philippines.
Will be reorganized, reintegrated under the approp. subheadings: Nobel prizes, achievements, etc.:
Filipinos are peaceful people - Lovers of liberty and equality. However, when provoked Filipinos can show their steadfast vigilance for these by massive protests and civil disobedience. Two non-violent protests have already ousted two corrupt presidents. The first of the "People Power" revolutions was in 1986, this successful revolution gave strength to many peoples in different countries under corrupt and immoral regimes to rise up in People Power. In February 25, 2001, the Nobel Peace Prize Laureates Foundation (Nobel Peace Foundation) awarded the Philippines for their “wonderful gift of the spirit . . . to the world” in the form of People Power II.
The Filipinos are a creative and intelligent people. Their nation had the first national airline in all of Asia - Philippine Airlines. The inventive Filipinos also created the Yo-yo (native hunting device), and the Karaoke (Robert del Rosario. The first Asian to have entered Harvard nd to whom credit is given for her studies that lead to the incubator is no other than a Filipino woman - Fel del Mundo. Filipino designer Eduardo San Juan designed the Lunar Rover or more popularly known as 'moon bugger' used in Apollo landings. The American drug giant Eli Lilly has to thank its billions of american dollar profits to a Filipino scientist Dr. Abelardo Aguilar, who discovered Erythromycin. However, he was never paid royalties for his discovery since lab reports he sent to the drug giant were never returned and the company registered it as its own. The Filipino labor force contributes significant if not the major workforce in household helpers, nurses, and sailors.
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Jondel 11:19, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
"Throughout Filipino history, no distinct national cultural identity was shaped". I don't know how true that is... I mean, yeah, the Philippines has been somewhat culturally disjointed through its history, but it's too bold to say outright that there was never and national cultural identity. Today you'd have to admit that Filipinos have at least some national identity. TheCoffee 21:34, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The article title suggests the former, the usage in the article suggests the latter. Which is correct? Thryduulf 09:43, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
what was the original name of the philipines before the spanish arrived.?
Chinese annals from the Ming Dynasty referred to the islands south of China as Ma-i. Specifically the name referred to Mindoro but more generally to the Philippine archipelago. Before the advent of Spanish explorers, the group of islands located between 9 and 18 degrees latitude in the South China Sea had no common identity. It was Ferdinand Magellan who gave that group of islands the name "Islas de San Lazaro" because he arrived on Philippine shores on the feast of St. Lazarus.
Because it was approached from the west, subsequent Spanish chroniclers described Magellan’s archipelago simply as "las islas del poniente" the islands to the west, emphasizing the westerly route to Asia that Spain claimed as its own.
Magellan may have known about or been to the Philippines having been in the Moluccas eleven years older but came back to claim governship but had to pass through a western route due to political reasons (Tordecillas treaty, : Everything to the west belongs to Spain.)-- Jondel 08:35, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Unlike colonies, whilst under US control, the Philippines were allowed and maintained a form of native-based self government, which by definition made them a protectorate, and an insular areas of the United States, not a COLONLY.
Under Spanish colonial rule, the Philippines' enitre government was in the hands of the Spanish and decided in the courts of Spain and New Spain (Mexico), without any input (big or small) from local Philippine lawmakers or judges. No form of a native-based governing institution existed while under Spanish colonial rule. This made it a colony of Spain under the goverment of New Spain (which at the time was itself governed by Spaniards either directly from Spain or by those sent to govern). Al-Andalus 05:45, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There's a lot of links in the External links section - I believe we should edit the list, according to the guidelines in Wikipedia:External links. I believe we should keep some of the links directly related to the article - including most of the official sites and keep 3-5 major links in the other categories. Below is the list of links - the ones that say keep, I believe we should keep. I have also suggested some links to be moved to pages that are more closely related to the topic of the website. Reply with your thoughts. -- Jtalledo (talk) 14:51, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Official websites
News websites
I've tried to keep the major news networks and papers with print editions here.
Other websites
Anyone familiar with this university, please offer your opinions at Talk:University of Santo Tomas, regarding a long slow-motion edit war. -- Curps 00:12, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Comments by User:Christian1611 on the above moved to Talk:University of Santo Tomas (the user with the opposing point of view has already posted there, and it's best to centralize the discussion there). -- Curps 16:27, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
There have been vandalisms in both the Spanish and English Wikipedia especially on the Philippines pages insisting that Spanish is an official or a spoken language there. This is a delusion. Unless you consider Chavacano a Spanish language, and about 2000 (?) individuals, we filipinos know it is not.-- Jondel 01:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps they're referring to the institution of the Spanish language as part of the curricula in most academes? All my former professors (the old-timers anyway) say that the least Spanish units they took in university was 12. Today, only Arts and Sciences colleges have Spanish in their syllabus and about 3 units at least. So it was considered a Philippine language before but it is no longer in use. Jute
Just discovered something about Spanish. Presidential Decree No. 155 (march 15, 1973) states that Spanish shall continue to be recognized as an official language in the Philippines. This is because most of the country's old laws are enacted in Spanish. This decree will apparently hold until such a time that the documents are translated into either Filipino or English.
Jute
..This makes the country the largest Christian population in the Asia - Pacific region with 95% belong to the Christian fate
Does anyone have a reference to this claim? And is it really important enough to mention it here or should it be in the article Religion in the Philippines? -- Jtalledo (talk) 04:42, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
There seems to be a little edit war going on regarding the title of one of the headings. Someone keeps changing it from "The U.S. Connection" to "The U.S. Intervention". Heck, someone even changed it to "The U.S. Invasion". The "Invasion" word seems very POV and suspect in its possible justification, but what about "Intervention"? Is it POV? Which is the more accurate title for the section? -- Jtalledo (talk) 14:24, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
>>>I think the Philippine-American war should also be listed here, as part of the Philippine History where in the Americans killed several thousand native Filipinos, mostly civilians. This would be really interesting.<<< Especially since the Spanish gave up/sold the Philippines to the Americans via the Treaty of Paris. We all know that the Philippine people were colonized by the Spanish...but most obviously RAPED (of their culture and pride) and ENSLAVED by the Kingdom and Conquistadors of Spain (as were the many Latin American countries). The Filipinos were definitely distraught over this deal between two major countries. Early american soldiers surely didn't want to be in a country where people did not want them. But at least they stayed and eventually there was some form of defense from the SLAUGHTERING JAPANESE who arrived in World War II. Who know's what kind of holocaust may have occurred if Americans hadn't stayed to fight along side their Filipino soldier comrads. Yes, the "American Cemetery" in Manila is filled with mostly Filipino soldiers, but it was the American military and General Douglas McArthur who vowed to return and liberate the Philippines, asia, and all of it's people from the tirany of the Japanese Empire. America is no saint...but neither were the Spanish or Japenese. But if you were to offer a Filipino an opportunity to WORK in either of the 3 countries...which one do you think they'd choose??? Hmmmmm.... as this person continued to state>>>>>I wish that the editors here would focus more on the important events rather than the DEMOGRAPHICS or racial composition of Philippines.<<< (what? do expect the editor to focus on how the Philippines was invaded and taken over by several destructive countries?? or how about how the philippines was robbed of it's heritage by the oppressionistic rulers of spain and it's unfair/unholy catholic leaders?!)))
I did two things and I'll tell you why.
1. Change Working Languages to Major Regional Languages. What is a "working" language? I don't know.
2. The languages listed under Working Languages, with the exception of Cebuano, are not spoken by a great number of Filipinos. Perhaps Chabacano is an exception, too, but there are many other languages that are spoken more than Chabacano. And I have listed those. The languages I listed are spoken at the very least by one million Filipinos as a native language. I know some Tausugs and their Arabic is only limited to basic phrases like wassalam and assalamu alaykum.
That's it. Ayos na ba? -- Chris 00:57, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
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Spanish(or Tagalog or English or Cebuano) is OK but there is regional social peer pressure to not speak a non-native language.
What is an ethnic Austranesian?
First of all we must outline what "ethnic" and "ethnicity" actually mean.
Then we must determine if we can honestly deem the speakers of the world's largest spanning linguistic family as a monolithic "ethnic" group, when in fact most so called "Austronesians" (ie speakers of Austronesian languages) are actually belong to various unrelated TRUE "ethnic groups"; Malays, native Taiwanese, Polynesians, etc. These groups have nothing in common with one another, other than their current spoken languages being derived from an ancient proto-Austronesian language spoken tens of thousands of years ago. The Malays (of the Malay archipelago, which encompasses the Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia) as a group are a valid ethnic grouping, as these people's cultures, customs, and traditional tribal beliefs - prior to the relatively recent introduction of Abrahamic religions - are a common shared related and intertwined heritage.
To propose the label "ethnic Austronesian" is like proposing "ethnic Indo-European". No such thing exists, because Indo-European is a linguistic group, even though within this linguistic group one can often find "ethnic groupings", but which are unrelated.
That which makes an "ethnic Afghan" related to an "ethnic Bengali" and "ethnic Hindu" - but not "ethnically" related to the examples which will be given below - is their cultural customs (a.k.a. ethnicity), not their languages (which are Indo-European). Likewise, that which makes an "ethnic Spaniard" related to an "ethnic German" and an "ethnic Greek" - but not "ethnically" related to the examples which were given above - is their shared cultural customs (a.k.a. ethnicity) not their languages (which are also Indo-European).
"Ethnic Austronesian" is a very poor attempt at coining a new "ethnic" category in order to avoid using "Malay" (which is a true group, whether people want to belong to it or not). In fact, by simple definition of "ethnic" grouping, "Ethnic Austronesian" fails to meet every criteria of what constitutes an ethnicity; customs, codes, traditions and ancestral ties. Ancient linguistic relationship is one of the last factors looked in defining an ethnic group, and it is most certainly not the ONLY factor to be used when determining "ethnicity".
Ancient linguistic relationships, are just that; an ancient linguistic relationship. I can't stress this enough. One wouldn't propose both people from Turkey and Japan are "ethnic Uralo-Altaics", because Turkish and Japanese are proposed members of this linguistic family. Even if it was shown that they are members of this family of languages, this only makes them related languages, not an "ethnic grouping", especially not in the context of what "ethnicity" means, and considering the unrelatedness of modern Turkish and Japanese people. Such is the case of the Polynesians, native Taiwanese and Malays suggested to be "ethnic Austronesians".
"Also, I reverted Malay to Austronesian. Malay is a misleading term that is being avoided." Quoted from an Edit Summary posted by user Christopher Sundita on 00:45, 3 Jun 2005.
The term Malay could only be "a misleading term" for the uneducated and academically ignorant. Well, aren't we lucky that the purpose of Wikipedia (and education in general) is to combat academic ignorance in an effort to educate all those wishing to learn ;
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Context should be shown that Philippine-war was preceded by the Spanish-american war. America Liberated Philippines from 300 years of Spanish rule, the Spaniards fueled a guerilla war against America. America restructured Philippines over a generation into a democracy and fought off the Japanese occupation. then let the country go. obviously America kept their military bases for obvious reasons. context should be added, my grandpa fought in the Philippines and a lot of his buddies died there. now they have freedom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:e000:fb89:7800:f593:261f:8032:deaa ( talk) 19:12, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
23 of May 2017 while the importance of being able to see the terrorist attacks to happen this brutal siege that has comprise of the Philippine government against the ISIS insurgency in the Visayas region of the Philippines Brutal long siege in recent conflicts that has happened in the region has finally subsided as the ISIS insurgence had lost eventually in this long hard fought brutal siege that should not be forgotten as part of the modern contemporary military history of the Philippines. Casualties: Philippines 168 KIA and 1,400+ wounded ISIS 978 killed 12 captured Total strength Philippines: 3,000 in June 6,500 by June ISIS: 1,000 militants @ /info/en/?search=Siege_of_Marawi 2600:4040:A4DB:A600:8059:2428:93E0:3FD6 ( talk) 21:58, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
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The messages below were archived on June 13, 2005.
"For comparison, although the Philippines is only slightly larger then the US State of Arizona, it has about 16 times the population and population density." --JM
Why are CALABARZON and MIMAROPA all upper case? -- Zoe
Is it necessary to have history here AND in the history of the philippines?
im doing it now Vera Cruz done Vera Cruz
I've completed the template for this country, but I'm left with some uncertainties. Could anyone (I'm guessing seav would be a good candidate) clarify what the exact status of the Filipino language is and how English ties into it all? The Factbook and pages here seem to suggest both are of equal official status, but the Philippine government pages and the State department make a distinction in their status, with English not entirely equal to Filipino. Also, just what is the difference between the Filipino language and Pilipino?
Allow me to display my horrible ignorance. :)
Although Filipino (for practical purposes is Tagalog) and English are the official languages, Filipinos use Tagalog ( or native vernaculars like Cebuano, Ilonggo, etc.) for informal purposes and English for formal purposes . The spoken/oral language is Tagalog and other vernaculars like Ilonngo, Cebuano, Ilocano,etc..
The written language is English.
Filipinos would much rather have their text books like calculus, physics, chemistry, etc. written and taught in English rather than Tagalog. At home with family and friends however, most use their vernaculars (Tagalog for most). If English is used, there is an air or atmosphere of formality such as in school, government, ceremonies, etc.. It would be horrible nightmare for us Filipinos to study Engineering or Medicine in Pure Tagalog.
Pilipino is a more native word or pronounciation for Filipino, just like Nipponggo or Nihonggo is to Japanese, or Francais to French. There is no f sound in the original Tagalog.
Since Filipinos are very well oriented with English, a large influx of English words is expected into Tagalog. It is customary to substitue English words even if the word exists in the original vernacular.
Note also that natives like to speak their own vernaculars. e.g. Cebuanos and Illongo speakers don't like to speak Tagalog in their hometowns.
Jondel 10:23, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)~~
-- I taught Physics in the country and many of the vernacular languages do not have native terms for many scientific concepts so almost all variables and terms had to be in english but the explanations can be in any language.
- Thats cool, good University. I agree with you, like I said explanations can be in any language. I don't want to start an arguement with you and hope you did not take offense. Anyways the local dialect where I taught was Kinaraya and is a cool language.
Finally, I've altered the national motto. My research revealed that "Isang Bansa, Isang Diwa" was indeed the motto under Marcos and perhaps later, but the Republic Act No. 8491 from 1998 states under Ch. 3, Sec. 40 the current motto, which also seems to be part of the Philippine Pledge of Allegiance. The English translation is mine and may be somewhat incorrect, though I believe it covers the four parts. Please correct if necessary. -Scipius 17:24 29 May 2003 (UTC)
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Maka-Diyos, Maka-Tao, Makakalikasan at Makabansa
Declared—
June 12,
1898 (from
Spain).
Trying out World Book Encyclopedia–style fact list. What do you think?— seav 07:44 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)
The article on General John Pershing says that he was appointed governor of the Philippines "Moro Province" in 1909. I assume this was some sub-division of the Philippines at the time that is no longer used? I could find no info at either Regions of the Philippines or Provinces of the Philippines. Does someone have some info on this, and perhaps any other formerly used historic divisions? -- Infrogmation 20:46, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'd like to open a new page or category in one of the Filipino web page.
I reverted the changes which decreased the estimate of the native Malay population from 95% down to 80%, and the suggestion that 20% of Filipinos are mestizos. [The estimates stating 95% of the population being native Filipino are agreed upon the Filipino government, the latest Filipino census, and can be found quoted on the pages of Filipino embassy and consulate websites.]
Not only is 20% a gigantic overestimation of Filipino mestizos, but it is also historically impossible. There just weren’t enough Spaniards to have created such an immense proportion of past or present Filipinos to be mestizo.
Off all the Spanish colonies, the Philippines had the tiniest number of Spaniards, both in real numbers and as a percentage. And of these Spaniards, only a few fathered offspring in the Philippines, and of those that did father mestizos most were friars or priests.
Large-scale immigration of Spaniards, as happened in Latin America, never occurred in the Philippines. Historical evidence in Spain indicates that Spanish migrants to the Americas almost drained the entire population of Extremadura, as well as significant numbers from other regions. This never happened for the Philippines. The few that did go to the Philippines weren’t Spanish, they were mostly Mexicans, who themselves later returned to Mexico.
Added to this, native Filipinos didn’t die in the millions of introduced diseases. Native Americans had no immunities for Old World diseases, and in some areas 90% of the original populations died withing the first few years of conquest. Filipinos didn’t experience this holocaust because they are located in Asia, one of the three Old World continents, they had these diseases and the immunities to combat them.
The suggestion that the original small population of Filipino mestizos eventually mixed back into the native population, endowing every modern Filipino (or even 20% of Filipinos) with an extremely diluted amount of Spanish blood and ancesrty, is a fanaticized hypothesis.
Spanish mestizos in the Philippines were a very small and privileged minority, never surpassing more than 1% of the population at any given period. Because of the high status these half-breed-Spaniards held they were extremely endogamous, never again mixing back with natives. They thought of themselves as a separate class and ethnicity. The idea that they melded back into the native majority to make "mestizos" out of every living Filipino would suggest that they went against everything that they were taught. Mixing back with a native would "taint" the mestizo with more Malay blood than he “unfortunately” already had. Why - when the ideal for the mestizo was to have (and aspire for subsequent offspring and descendants to have) as little native ancestry as possible - would they then marry back into the native population? Answer; Filipino mestizos didn’t.
If anything, the argument could work for Latin America. Mestizos in Latin America were a growing majority, while unmixed Spaniards were a healthy large minority. So there was nothing special about the mestizos there, they had no special status, and the idealization of the Latin American wasn’t to be a mestizo - because most were this - it was to be a Spaniard. So it wasn't uncommon for Latin American mestizos to marry back into native communities; here it could be said that some Amerindians might have Spanish ancestry through an absorbed mestizo ancestor, but not in the case of the Philippines.
But anyway, the existance or not of Spanish genes among "pure Native Americans" isn't the topic.
To this day in the Philippines, because almost everyone is native (95%), the ideal is to be mestizo, and most Filipinos will falsely claim to be so, even citing the "mestiza great-great-grand-mother" or Spanish "great-great-grand-father", with no evidence other than a Spanish surname [and let's not even start with how Filipinos acquired Spanish surnames]. In Latin America, apart from the relatively large unmixed European population (aprox. 30%), the great majority are mixed-bloods ( mestizos and mulattos combined, aprox. 50%) and becasue of this, the ideal is to be unmixed Spanish. So in Latin America's case, many of the mixed-bloods will falsley claim to be pure Spanish. This is called colonial mentality. Al-Andalus 03:19, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I've read the talk but couldn't find anything relevant to this issue. How come this article is at "Philippines" and not "The Philippines"? Mike H 18:53, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
Why has the motto been reverted to "Isang Bansa, Isang diwa"?
Other entries, like History of the Philippines, link to Baybayin. The main Philippines entry should, also. The entry for Baybayin begins:
Baybayin or Alibata is a pre-Hispanic Tagalog writing system that originated from the Javanese script Kavi. The writing system was believed to be in use as early as the 14th Century and was still in use during the Spanish colonization of the Philippine Islands. The term baybayin literally means spelling. Closely related scripts are Hanunóo, Buhid, and Tagbanwa.
-- just wanted to add my username to this entry -- iiams
The opening paragraph states that there are three predominantly Christian nations in Asia: Timor-Leste, The Phillipines, and South Korea. Am I correct in thinking that Papua New Guniea, Armenia, Georgia, and Cyprus all fit that description as well? Should the article be revised so that it mentions only the East Asian countries, or should all be listed?
I have lived in the rural areas of the Philippines for 1-2 years. I am married to a Filipina. Please, I know this is a sensitive issue---and it was ceratinly never broached during the recent presidential campaign and election---but I believe mention of it is important to any in-depth description/discussion of the Philippines. That issue is overpopulation by way of its highest birth rate in all of Asia. The Catholic church is no champion of birth control, no one would dispute that fact. Perhaps this topic is overdue for discussion, and someone could integrate it into the Wikipedia article here on the Philippines. I worry for the country: wonderful, polite, hardworking people, who will be hampered to some extent I believe by a basic lack of awareness of the importance of family planning. I look forward to your comments and to a possible addition/edit in the main article at some point. Cheers.
I 'll e inserting the par below. I expect a lot of grill on this. Oh well , part of wikipedia life .
The country suffers from overpopulation by way of its highest birth rate in all of Asia. The Catholic church is no champion of birth control and impedes efforts government and NGO efforts in education and awareness of birth control and the population explotion crisis. -- Jondel 14:29, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
WHO ERASED THE WHOLE ARTICLE? I PUT IT BACK! PLEASE DON'T ERASE! :
How can the writer be so sure that socialist policies are the reason of the undevelopment? I don't exactlıy know the history of the country but I really wonder the reasons.
and also, it should be realized that Tagalog/Filipino is the most spoken language because it is the local language of Manila. It is not spoken natively by the most people in the Philippines.
Will be reorganized, reintegrated under the approp. subheadings: Nobel prizes, achievements, etc.:
Filipinos are peaceful people - Lovers of liberty and equality. However, when provoked Filipinos can show their steadfast vigilance for these by massive protests and civil disobedience. Two non-violent protests have already ousted two corrupt presidents. The first of the "People Power" revolutions was in 1986, this successful revolution gave strength to many peoples in different countries under corrupt and immoral regimes to rise up in People Power. In February 25, 2001, the Nobel Peace Prize Laureates Foundation (Nobel Peace Foundation) awarded the Philippines for their “wonderful gift of the spirit . . . to the world” in the form of People Power II.
The Filipinos are a creative and intelligent people. Their nation had the first national airline in all of Asia - Philippine Airlines. The inventive Filipinos also created the Yo-yo (native hunting device), and the Karaoke (Robert del Rosario. The first Asian to have entered Harvard nd to whom credit is given for her studies that lead to the incubator is no other than a Filipino woman - Fel del Mundo. Filipino designer Eduardo San Juan designed the Lunar Rover or more popularly known as 'moon bugger' used in Apollo landings. The American drug giant Eli Lilly has to thank its billions of american dollar profits to a Filipino scientist Dr. Abelardo Aguilar, who discovered Erythromycin. However, he was never paid royalties for his discovery since lab reports he sent to the drug giant were never returned and the company registered it as its own. The Filipino labor force contributes significant if not the major workforce in household helpers, nurses, and sailors.
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Jondel 11:19, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
"Throughout Filipino history, no distinct national cultural identity was shaped". I don't know how true that is... I mean, yeah, the Philippines has been somewhat culturally disjointed through its history, but it's too bold to say outright that there was never and national cultural identity. Today you'd have to admit that Filipinos have at least some national identity. TheCoffee 21:34, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The article title suggests the former, the usage in the article suggests the latter. Which is correct? Thryduulf 09:43, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
what was the original name of the philipines before the spanish arrived.?
Chinese annals from the Ming Dynasty referred to the islands south of China as Ma-i. Specifically the name referred to Mindoro but more generally to the Philippine archipelago. Before the advent of Spanish explorers, the group of islands located between 9 and 18 degrees latitude in the South China Sea had no common identity. It was Ferdinand Magellan who gave that group of islands the name "Islas de San Lazaro" because he arrived on Philippine shores on the feast of St. Lazarus.
Because it was approached from the west, subsequent Spanish chroniclers described Magellan’s archipelago simply as "las islas del poniente" the islands to the west, emphasizing the westerly route to Asia that Spain claimed as its own.
Magellan may have known about or been to the Philippines having been in the Moluccas eleven years older but came back to claim governship but had to pass through a western route due to political reasons (Tordecillas treaty, : Everything to the west belongs to Spain.)-- Jondel 08:35, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Unlike colonies, whilst under US control, the Philippines were allowed and maintained a form of native-based self government, which by definition made them a protectorate, and an insular areas of the United States, not a COLONLY.
Under Spanish colonial rule, the Philippines' enitre government was in the hands of the Spanish and decided in the courts of Spain and New Spain (Mexico), without any input (big or small) from local Philippine lawmakers or judges. No form of a native-based governing institution existed while under Spanish colonial rule. This made it a colony of Spain under the goverment of New Spain (which at the time was itself governed by Spaniards either directly from Spain or by those sent to govern). Al-Andalus 05:45, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There's a lot of links in the External links section - I believe we should edit the list, according to the guidelines in Wikipedia:External links. I believe we should keep some of the links directly related to the article - including most of the official sites and keep 3-5 major links in the other categories. Below is the list of links - the ones that say keep, I believe we should keep. I have also suggested some links to be moved to pages that are more closely related to the topic of the website. Reply with your thoughts. -- Jtalledo (talk) 14:51, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Official websites
News websites
I've tried to keep the major news networks and papers with print editions here.
Other websites
Anyone familiar with this university, please offer your opinions at Talk:University of Santo Tomas, regarding a long slow-motion edit war. -- Curps 00:12, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Comments by User:Christian1611 on the above moved to Talk:University of Santo Tomas (the user with the opposing point of view has already posted there, and it's best to centralize the discussion there). -- Curps 16:27, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
There have been vandalisms in both the Spanish and English Wikipedia especially on the Philippines pages insisting that Spanish is an official or a spoken language there. This is a delusion. Unless you consider Chavacano a Spanish language, and about 2000 (?) individuals, we filipinos know it is not.-- Jondel 01:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps they're referring to the institution of the Spanish language as part of the curricula in most academes? All my former professors (the old-timers anyway) say that the least Spanish units they took in university was 12. Today, only Arts and Sciences colleges have Spanish in their syllabus and about 3 units at least. So it was considered a Philippine language before but it is no longer in use. Jute
Just discovered something about Spanish. Presidential Decree No. 155 (march 15, 1973) states that Spanish shall continue to be recognized as an official language in the Philippines. This is because most of the country's old laws are enacted in Spanish. This decree will apparently hold until such a time that the documents are translated into either Filipino or English.
Jute
..This makes the country the largest Christian population in the Asia - Pacific region with 95% belong to the Christian fate
Does anyone have a reference to this claim? And is it really important enough to mention it here or should it be in the article Religion in the Philippines? -- Jtalledo (talk) 04:42, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
There seems to be a little edit war going on regarding the title of one of the headings. Someone keeps changing it from "The U.S. Connection" to "The U.S. Intervention". Heck, someone even changed it to "The U.S. Invasion". The "Invasion" word seems very POV and suspect in its possible justification, but what about "Intervention"? Is it POV? Which is the more accurate title for the section? -- Jtalledo (talk) 14:24, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
>>>I think the Philippine-American war should also be listed here, as part of the Philippine History where in the Americans killed several thousand native Filipinos, mostly civilians. This would be really interesting.<<< Especially since the Spanish gave up/sold the Philippines to the Americans via the Treaty of Paris. We all know that the Philippine people were colonized by the Spanish...but most obviously RAPED (of their culture and pride) and ENSLAVED by the Kingdom and Conquistadors of Spain (as were the many Latin American countries). The Filipinos were definitely distraught over this deal between two major countries. Early american soldiers surely didn't want to be in a country where people did not want them. But at least they stayed and eventually there was some form of defense from the SLAUGHTERING JAPANESE who arrived in World War II. Who know's what kind of holocaust may have occurred if Americans hadn't stayed to fight along side their Filipino soldier comrads. Yes, the "American Cemetery" in Manila is filled with mostly Filipino soldiers, but it was the American military and General Douglas McArthur who vowed to return and liberate the Philippines, asia, and all of it's people from the tirany of the Japanese Empire. America is no saint...but neither were the Spanish or Japenese. But if you were to offer a Filipino an opportunity to WORK in either of the 3 countries...which one do you think they'd choose??? Hmmmmm.... as this person continued to state>>>>>I wish that the editors here would focus more on the important events rather than the DEMOGRAPHICS or racial composition of Philippines.<<< (what? do expect the editor to focus on how the Philippines was invaded and taken over by several destructive countries?? or how about how the philippines was robbed of it's heritage by the oppressionistic rulers of spain and it's unfair/unholy catholic leaders?!)))
I did two things and I'll tell you why.
1. Change Working Languages to Major Regional Languages. What is a "working" language? I don't know.
2. The languages listed under Working Languages, with the exception of Cebuano, are not spoken by a great number of Filipinos. Perhaps Chabacano is an exception, too, but there are many other languages that are spoken more than Chabacano. And I have listed those. The languages I listed are spoken at the very least by one million Filipinos as a native language. I know some Tausugs and their Arabic is only limited to basic phrases like wassalam and assalamu alaykum.
That's it. Ayos na ba? -- Chris 00:57, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
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Spanish(or Tagalog or English or Cebuano) is OK but there is regional social peer pressure to not speak a non-native language.
What is an ethnic Austranesian?
First of all we must outline what "ethnic" and "ethnicity" actually mean.
Then we must determine if we can honestly deem the speakers of the world's largest spanning linguistic family as a monolithic "ethnic" group, when in fact most so called "Austronesians" (ie speakers of Austronesian languages) are actually belong to various unrelated TRUE "ethnic groups"; Malays, native Taiwanese, Polynesians, etc. These groups have nothing in common with one another, other than their current spoken languages being derived from an ancient proto-Austronesian language spoken tens of thousands of years ago. The Malays (of the Malay archipelago, which encompasses the Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia) as a group are a valid ethnic grouping, as these people's cultures, customs, and traditional tribal beliefs - prior to the relatively recent introduction of Abrahamic religions - are a common shared related and intertwined heritage.
To propose the label "ethnic Austronesian" is like proposing "ethnic Indo-European". No such thing exists, because Indo-European is a linguistic group, even though within this linguistic group one can often find "ethnic groupings", but which are unrelated.
That which makes an "ethnic Afghan" related to an "ethnic Bengali" and "ethnic Hindu" - but not "ethnically" related to the examples which will be given below - is their cultural customs (a.k.a. ethnicity), not their languages (which are Indo-European). Likewise, that which makes an "ethnic Spaniard" related to an "ethnic German" and an "ethnic Greek" - but not "ethnically" related to the examples which were given above - is their shared cultural customs (a.k.a. ethnicity) not their languages (which are also Indo-European).
"Ethnic Austronesian" is a very poor attempt at coining a new "ethnic" category in order to avoid using "Malay" (which is a true group, whether people want to belong to it or not). In fact, by simple definition of "ethnic" grouping, "Ethnic Austronesian" fails to meet every criteria of what constitutes an ethnicity; customs, codes, traditions and ancestral ties. Ancient linguistic relationship is one of the last factors looked in defining an ethnic group, and it is most certainly not the ONLY factor to be used when determining "ethnicity".
Ancient linguistic relationships, are just that; an ancient linguistic relationship. I can't stress this enough. One wouldn't propose both people from Turkey and Japan are "ethnic Uralo-Altaics", because Turkish and Japanese are proposed members of this linguistic family. Even if it was shown that they are members of this family of languages, this only makes them related languages, not an "ethnic grouping", especially not in the context of what "ethnicity" means, and considering the unrelatedness of modern Turkish and Japanese people. Such is the case of the Polynesians, native Taiwanese and Malays suggested to be "ethnic Austronesians".
"Also, I reverted Malay to Austronesian. Malay is a misleading term that is being avoided." Quoted from an Edit Summary posted by user Christopher Sundita on 00:45, 3 Jun 2005.
The term Malay could only be "a misleading term" for the uneducated and academically ignorant. Well, aren't we lucky that the purpose of Wikipedia (and education in general) is to combat academic ignorance in an effort to educate all those wishing to learn ;
• Total 300,000 km2 (120,000 sq mi) (72rd)
It should probably say 72nd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.190.67.21 ( talk) 07:13, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
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Context should be shown that Philippine-war was preceded by the Spanish-american war. America Liberated Philippines from 300 years of Spanish rule, the Spaniards fueled a guerilla war against America. America restructured Philippines over a generation into a democracy and fought off the Japanese occupation. then let the country go. obviously America kept their military bases for obvious reasons. context should be added, my grandpa fought in the Philippines and a lot of his buddies died there. now they have freedom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:e000:fb89:7800:f593:261f:8032:deaa ( talk) 19:12, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
23 of May 2017 while the importance of being able to see the terrorist attacks to happen this brutal siege that has comprise of the Philippine government against the ISIS insurgency in the Visayas region of the Philippines Brutal long siege in recent conflicts that has happened in the region has finally subsided as the ISIS insurgence had lost eventually in this long hard fought brutal siege that should not be forgotten as part of the modern contemporary military history of the Philippines. Casualties: Philippines 168 KIA and 1,400+ wounded ISIS 978 killed 12 captured Total strength Philippines: 3,000 in June 6,500 by June ISIS: 1,000 militants @ /info/en/?search=Siege_of_Marawi 2600:4040:A4DB:A600:8059:2428:93E0:3FD6 ( talk) 21:58, 27 February 2023 (UTC)