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I propose that the List of general officers section be truncated into a brief summary with a {{ main}} link to the List of Filipino generals in the Philippine Revolution and the Philippine–American War article. This would be essentially a summary style split. WP:Splitting suggests that such a contemplated split be done boldly, but I prefer to solicit discussion here first.
Alternatively, a WP:MERGE might be proposed, with that other article being merged into this one. If that alternative has consensus support over the split, a merger should be formally proposed.
In any case, two separate articles with this much cross-article duplication should not exist.
Discussion? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:13, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
I've moved the list of general officers back over to that other article. I've also moved some material which was off topic for that article from there to here. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:49, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
A historical timeline would include the following significant events
I expanded the list above as I was writing it quite a bit beyond what I originally intended. My original intent was to call attention to what I see as glaring omissions in the current article: No mention of
It appears to me that during these periods the Philippine Revolutionary Army ceased to exist as an organized and cohesive fighting force.
Comments? Discussion? Suggestions? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:04, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
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Here, I have blanked the allegiance parameter in the infobox. As far as I can figure out, the allegiance of the PRA was probably to
This probably needs some discussion to establish a consensus. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:00, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
First Philippine Republic from January 23, not 22. The First Philippine Republic was inaugurated on January 23, 1899. In fact, the current Philippine government declared it as the First Philippine Republic Day. See this link: https://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/2018/04/05/republic-act-no-11014/ Jhlletras ( talk) 10:26, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
There are miniatures of the Revolutionary Army made in the UK (Tiger Miniatures), and the US (ACW Toy Soldiers). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.105.21.144 ( talk) 10:22, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
This edit, which removed Sakay from the list of notable commanders, caught my eye. The edit summary says, "Sakay was no part of the Revolutionary Army".
I don't presently have reference material at hand, and my internet access is slow and spotty. However, I was able to find two sources ( [1] and [2]) which seem to indicate that Sakay was a part of the PRA. I have not reverted his removal from the list, but thought I would mention it here in case someone with more info and better sources feels he ought to be listed there. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:19, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
I will try to look into this, no promises because I am busy. Although one interesting information I observed: If you look at the pictures of Sakay, he is wearing the uniform of the Philippine Revolutionary Army. Jhlletras ( talk) 16:47, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
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Response to Enola gay0 on (Undid revision 877584441 by Jhlletras (talk) as a newbie have you review the sources? And please go to talk page before you doing a chances.)
Apologies, I am indeed a newbie in editing Wikipedia, but no need to be an elitist, sir. I just wanted to make sure credible information is posted. No intended defamation/vandalism.
Now, regarding your reply, how can I review the source if no in-text citation was made?
I will not remove it anymore if you have a source, I will just place citation needed. Please provide the in-text citation in the info box. There is a difference between placing the source in the reference list and citing the source in the text/info box. Both should be done as much as possible. Thanks.
P.S. No need to attack me personally too. Jhlletras ( talk) 09:50, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Update: Apparently, already resolved by someone else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhlletras ( talk • contribs) 11:23, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
What is notable about all the commanders in the info box? Notable commanders should only include commanders who have become popular for some reason such as winning battles, dying heroically, influencing the army's strategy and structure, or not surrendering.
Moreover, why is Manuel Quezon part of the notable commanders? Is being president of the Commonwealth of the Philippines qualify him to be a notable commander of the Philippine Revolutionary Army which was in existence more or less 30 years before he became president?
What about Col. Paco Roman? What did he do? Does being an officer or aide of Antonio Luna and being assassinated with him qualify one to become a notable commander?
My proposal for possible notable commanders include:
1. Antonio Luna (in charge of the revolutionary army, tried to transform the revolutionary forces from a militia to an army, established the Academia Militar to be headed by Col. Manuel Sityar, assassinated)
2. Licerio Geronimo (commanded some sharpshooters who killed an American high ranking general - Gen. Henry Lawton)
3. Gregorio del Pilar (won the first phase of the battle of Quingua, even at a young age, and immortalized by the battle of Tirad Pass)
4. Artemio Ricarte (the Father of the Philippine Army, in charge of the Revolutionary Army before Antonio Luna, never swore allegiance to the United States of America unlike other revolutionary generals-this caused him to endure several years of exile)
5. Miguel Malvar (the last to surrender - at least as officially recognized by our current government through the Arroyo administration which is disputed by others who claim that it was Simeon Ola who surrendered last)
6. Manuel Tinio (had a lot of success during the second phase of the Philippine revolution which allowed him to rise through the ranks even at a young age, in charge of the Tinio Brigade which was one of the last, and probably the best, remaining units of the Philippine Revolutionary Army after a series of defeats, carried out a guerilla campaign until the surrender of Aguinaldo)
7. Jose Alejandrino (an engineer who was also part of Aguinaldo's cabinet, must have been instrumental in the construction and structure of the planned Luna Defense line and other trenches of the revolutionary forces, which were at times lauded by the Americans for its complex structure for military purposes)
Disclaimer: I am not saying that this is the end of list, anyone can be added as long as there is sufficient reason that makes him or her a notable commander. For sources: Most of these are based on their own Wikipedia articles but I will also look them up in online and printed sources.
Jhlletras ( talk) 10:56, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
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This edit caught my eye. I'm not literate in either Spanish or Tagalog, but "Komandanteng General", asserted here as the Spanish rank name that would be equivalent to an English language rank of Major General, didn't look as if it had roots in Latin. It struck me that the Spanish here might be a back-translation from Tagalog. I did a little googling and found this regarding a Spanish equivalent of the English term Commanding General. I also found this regarding a Spanish equivalent of the English term Major General and this for the Tagalog word "komandanteng". I also took a look at Spanish Army § Ranks and insignia.
It looks to me as if there may now not be a Spanish Army rank equivalent to a U.S. Major General, and may not have been one in the 1890s. It looks to me as if all the rank names in this table need another look by someone with better language skills and a better knowledge of military rank structures than I. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:08, 28 May 2024 (UTC) (updated)
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I propose that the List of general officers section be truncated into a brief summary with a {{ main}} link to the List of Filipino generals in the Philippine Revolution and the Philippine–American War article. This would be essentially a summary style split. WP:Splitting suggests that such a contemplated split be done boldly, but I prefer to solicit discussion here first.
Alternatively, a WP:MERGE might be proposed, with that other article being merged into this one. If that alternative has consensus support over the split, a merger should be formally proposed.
In any case, two separate articles with this much cross-article duplication should not exist.
Discussion? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:13, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
I've moved the list of general officers back over to that other article. I've also moved some material which was off topic for that article from there to here. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:49, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
A historical timeline would include the following significant events
I expanded the list above as I was writing it quite a bit beyond what I originally intended. My original intent was to call attention to what I see as glaring omissions in the current article: No mention of
It appears to me that during these periods the Philippine Revolutionary Army ceased to exist as an organized and cohesive fighting force.
Comments? Discussion? Suggestions? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:04, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
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Here, I have blanked the allegiance parameter in the infobox. As far as I can figure out, the allegiance of the PRA was probably to
This probably needs some discussion to establish a consensus. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:00, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
First Philippine Republic from January 23, not 22. The First Philippine Republic was inaugurated on January 23, 1899. In fact, the current Philippine government declared it as the First Philippine Republic Day. See this link: https://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/2018/04/05/republic-act-no-11014/ Jhlletras ( talk) 10:26, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
There are miniatures of the Revolutionary Army made in the UK (Tiger Miniatures), and the US (ACW Toy Soldiers). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.105.21.144 ( talk) 10:22, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
This edit, which removed Sakay from the list of notable commanders, caught my eye. The edit summary says, "Sakay was no part of the Revolutionary Army".
I don't presently have reference material at hand, and my internet access is slow and spotty. However, I was able to find two sources ( [1] and [2]) which seem to indicate that Sakay was a part of the PRA. I have not reverted his removal from the list, but thought I would mention it here in case someone with more info and better sources feels he ought to be listed there. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:19, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
I will try to look into this, no promises because I am busy. Although one interesting information I observed: If you look at the pictures of Sakay, he is wearing the uniform of the Philippine Revolutionary Army. Jhlletras ( talk) 16:47, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
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Response to Enola gay0 on (Undid revision 877584441 by Jhlletras (talk) as a newbie have you review the sources? And please go to talk page before you doing a chances.)
Apologies, I am indeed a newbie in editing Wikipedia, but no need to be an elitist, sir. I just wanted to make sure credible information is posted. No intended defamation/vandalism.
Now, regarding your reply, how can I review the source if no in-text citation was made?
I will not remove it anymore if you have a source, I will just place citation needed. Please provide the in-text citation in the info box. There is a difference between placing the source in the reference list and citing the source in the text/info box. Both should be done as much as possible. Thanks.
P.S. No need to attack me personally too. Jhlletras ( talk) 09:50, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Update: Apparently, already resolved by someone else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhlletras ( talk • contribs) 11:23, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
What is notable about all the commanders in the info box? Notable commanders should only include commanders who have become popular for some reason such as winning battles, dying heroically, influencing the army's strategy and structure, or not surrendering.
Moreover, why is Manuel Quezon part of the notable commanders? Is being president of the Commonwealth of the Philippines qualify him to be a notable commander of the Philippine Revolutionary Army which was in existence more or less 30 years before he became president?
What about Col. Paco Roman? What did he do? Does being an officer or aide of Antonio Luna and being assassinated with him qualify one to become a notable commander?
My proposal for possible notable commanders include:
1. Antonio Luna (in charge of the revolutionary army, tried to transform the revolutionary forces from a militia to an army, established the Academia Militar to be headed by Col. Manuel Sityar, assassinated)
2. Licerio Geronimo (commanded some sharpshooters who killed an American high ranking general - Gen. Henry Lawton)
3. Gregorio del Pilar (won the first phase of the battle of Quingua, even at a young age, and immortalized by the battle of Tirad Pass)
4. Artemio Ricarte (the Father of the Philippine Army, in charge of the Revolutionary Army before Antonio Luna, never swore allegiance to the United States of America unlike other revolutionary generals-this caused him to endure several years of exile)
5. Miguel Malvar (the last to surrender - at least as officially recognized by our current government through the Arroyo administration which is disputed by others who claim that it was Simeon Ola who surrendered last)
6. Manuel Tinio (had a lot of success during the second phase of the Philippine revolution which allowed him to rise through the ranks even at a young age, in charge of the Tinio Brigade which was one of the last, and probably the best, remaining units of the Philippine Revolutionary Army after a series of defeats, carried out a guerilla campaign until the surrender of Aguinaldo)
7. Jose Alejandrino (an engineer who was also part of Aguinaldo's cabinet, must have been instrumental in the construction and structure of the planned Luna Defense line and other trenches of the revolutionary forces, which were at times lauded by the Americans for its complex structure for military purposes)
Disclaimer: I am not saying that this is the end of list, anyone can be added as long as there is sufficient reason that makes him or her a notable commander. For sources: Most of these are based on their own Wikipedia articles but I will also look them up in online and printed sources.
Jhlletras ( talk) 10:56, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
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This edit caught my eye. I'm not literate in either Spanish or Tagalog, but "Komandanteng General", asserted here as the Spanish rank name that would be equivalent to an English language rank of Major General, didn't look as if it had roots in Latin. It struck me that the Spanish here might be a back-translation from Tagalog. I did a little googling and found this regarding a Spanish equivalent of the English term Commanding General. I also found this regarding a Spanish equivalent of the English term Major General and this for the Tagalog word "komandanteng". I also took a look at Spanish Army § Ranks and insignia.
It looks to me as if there may now not be a Spanish Army rank equivalent to a U.S. Major General, and may not have been one in the 1890s. It looks to me as if all the rank names in this table need another look by someone with better language skills and a better knowledge of military rank structures than I. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:08, 28 May 2024 (UTC) (updated)