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Any citations for this statement? Haiduc 23:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
hope i didn't break any rules by entering it. CuteHappyBrute ( talk) 20:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
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I removed the following about skeletal remains as it appears at odds with journals and articles at present... "However, interestingly, no body or skeleton were ever found. All that remains of Philip II is ash, contained in a magnificent golden larnax, decorated with the Vergina sun, within his stone sarcophagus. [1]"
If you truly feel it ought to go back in, give a reason here on the talk page and reinsert it.
by the way: did you know funny jesters such as David Icke allege phillip to have been a reptilian humanoid? Foreigner 09:48, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Anyone want to add in the military reforms that Philip enacted in Macedonia?
is anybody talking i got a report to do and its hard can some1 help me out
hope i didn't break any rules by entering it. CuteHappyBrute ( talk) 20:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
This article was written using "BC". It was changed a few months ago by Neutrality to BCE. This is clearly in violation of policy, and I can think of no reason why it should continue to be reverted to BCE. john k 19:18, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
not everyone uses bc. that is a religious term. using shouldbe a voilation. bce is used by most scholars now days with the same time table. —Preceding
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75.177.141.238 (
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01:20, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Someone better informed than me needs to look into the facts of Philip's youth as a hostage. The current text descibes him as a "prisoner", which suggests a misunderstanding of the ancient practice of hostage giving. Hostages were not generally "taken", they were sent to another court as evidence of good faith. Steve Graham ( talk) 12:15, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
The greatest inovation Phillip II did was that he transformed his cavalry into an offenssive weapon borrowing horse tactics from many nations Thessaly and Samataria. he gave the infantry longer spears and ligter armour giving his men more stamina and also used ligt troops like archers and slingers giving him an army that could beat anything sence only a very small elite in the greek citys was proffessional soldiers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.237.143.132 ( talk) 06:07, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Since you both agree that "There isn't any evidence to prove the language of the ancient macedonians was ancient greek. They cant find anything in macedonia other than artifacts that have attica greek. Clearly the ancient macedonians used attica greek as a second language. There needs to be proof of this so called greek dialect the ancient macedonians spoke": You must read a little more about, or you can simply take a look in the Pella curse tablet in where you maybe see some of the proof you so much need. Although is in Doric Greek which was the people's dialect, any modern Greek can understand it. If you cannot, below is the English translation. Regards, -- Factuarius ( talk) 05:13, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
um... OMG... this is just way TOO much info. i didn't use it... NO WAY. just too much. dumb it down people!!! —Preceding
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74.133.71.144 (
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00:30, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
There are ancient greek writings in macedonia and there is proof of ancient greek being spoken by the ancient macedonians. Languages are constantly evolving and changing. Some go extict while others remain alive. If you tried to prove the ethnicity of someone by solely language, it is simplistic by all means. Language is ever so changing and never remains the same. To compare ancient greek language to modern greek, you can see there are differences. Language is only one variable of many that defines a culture. If you want to prove the greekness of the ancient macedonians with ancient greek fragments found in the region, you must be an expert on cultures. Brazillians speak Portuguese, the rest of the majority of South America speaks Spanish. Haiti speaks French. Some countries in Africa speak French or Spanish. Most of Eastern Europe speaks a slavic langueses, even though extict languages once existed there. Even try to prove the greekness of a third generation greek living in Canada, Australia or the USA who now doesnt know the greek langauge but only knows how to speak English and write English. Does that make the person a English by origin because of their langauge?
Language alone does not define a ethnicity and King Phillip should not be listed as being Greek when there isn't enough evidence. —Preceding
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70.29.15.203 (
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17:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Argead dynasty, member of which is Phillip II, was an ancient greek royal family from Argos descedants of the temenids. Phillip along with the rest of his family members self determined as greek. Irrispectively of the ultimum descent of ancient macedonians, i.e. whether they were of pure greek origins or hellenized and absorbed in hellenism over the archaic and classical years, their ruling house claimed greek descent from time immemorial. So do not condaminate the article with propaganda material. Melathron ( talk) 06:44, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
For instance have a look at the site of the former reigning ducal house of Parma, in Italy. [2]. If you press historia you get to the first page and on the first line you read "LA DINASTIA HISPÁNICA DE BORBON-PARMA", i.e. the spanish dynasty of bourbon parma. They were ruling over italian people in Italy but still retained up to today their spanish identity. Melathron ( talk) 06:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
"He was not, however, a Greek politician or even a Greek, but king of the Macedonians" - Britannica. Wikipedia has got to be more neutral on its articles. Mactruth ( talk) 06:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't seem to be entirely clear that Philip was a Greek, nor that Macedon was part of Greece. In my copy of "A History of Greece to 322 B.C." by NGL Hammond (OUP, 3rd edition, 1986), Chapter 1 of Book VI is entitled "Macedon wins a place among the Greek powers (359-346)". Ethnographically, it's fuzzy (from page 534): "In antiquity Macedonia contained peoples of various origins. At the end of the Bronze Age a residue of Greek tribes stayed behind in southern Macedonia. Perhaps in the seventh century one of these, the 'Macedones', occupied Aegae and expanded into the coastal plain of Lower Macedonia, which became the kingdom of 'Macedon'; their descendants were the Macedonians proper of the classical period, and they worshipped Greek gods, especially Zeus and Heracles. The other Greek tribes became intermingled in Upper Macedonia with Illyrians, Paeonians, and Thracians, and the Thracians especially had their own orgiastic religions, such as that portrayed in the Bacchae."
However, Hammond also makes the following statements:
"The Macedonian kings attracted Greek culture to their court and encouraged economic development of their country by trading with the Greek states, but their realm remained impervious to the political effects of Greek influence." (page 535)
"The Macedonians themselves had little love for the Greeks who had settled in city-states on their coast and in Chalcidice, nor for the imperialistic powers, Sparta, Thebes, and Athens, which treated Macedonia as a pawn in the game of power politics." (pp 535, 536)
"Thus a great citizen army was being built at a time when the Greek states relied mainly upon mercenaries." (page 540)
Similarly, Chapter 2 of Book VI is called "Macedon Gains Control of the Greek States 346-336." It opens with an description of Isocrates' pamphlet called Philippus, urging Philip to unite the Greek states and lead them against Persia. Part 2 of Chapter 2 is called "The invasion of Greece." Part 3 is called "The settlement of Greece and the assassination of Philip". Chapter 4 is called "Alexander and the Greeks defeat Persia 336-330."
So it seems to me that Hammond repeatedly distinguishes between the Greeks and the Macedonians as two distinct (though obviously closely related) political entities.
Hope this helps. Sorry it's all from a book, rather than a link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.109.235.13 ( talk) 14:57, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Ancient Macedon was viewed as half-Greek or thereabouts. They spoke a language closely related to Greek, but had very different political institutions. What is not useful is the drive to obscure the difference between an ancient Macedonian and modern Macedonian Slavs. Philip was an ancient Macedonian, which may or may not be Greek, but he had no particular connections to the modern nation of Macedonia. john k ( talk) 17:47, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Ancient Macedon had been declared to be Greek since the days of Alexander I of Macedon. Alexander_I_of_Macedon 76.232.0.23 ( talk) 14:53, 26 April 2011 (UT
The article appears at odds with Science vol288 p511 "", 21 April 2000, which implies that the 1977 tomb did contain a skeleton, but it probably was not Philip II but Philip III. The abstract says "The Eye Injury of King Philip II and the Skeletal Evidence from the Royal Tomb II at Vergina Antonis Bartsiokas The Royal Tomb II was discovered in Vergina, Greece, in 1977. It contained a male skeleton and a rich array of grave goods. Evidence of trauma supposedly in the orbital bones of the skull has been thought to correspond to an eye injury that King Philip II is historically known to have suffered. However, reexamination of the orbital morphology showed no evidence of such pathology. Therefore, the skeleton does not belong to Philip II. New skeletal evidence shows that the skeleton belongs to King Philip III Arrhidaeus. In this case, the tomb may well contain some of the paraphernalia of Alexander the Great."
There are about three scientific articles about the remains of his body. One in Archeologike Ephemeris 1981, a later one in the Journal of Hellenic Studies by Musgrave et ali. and in the American Journal of Archaeology later on. I'll look for the exact years later on. All are concerned with the remaining bone material from all parts of the skeleton. At least in the last article there was a reconstruction of his face presented. But this reconstruction uses portraits of Philipp. Overall a public relation gimmick imo.
-Anon
References updated with modern publications. Philip Arrhidaeus hypothesis is very weak. --
Euzen (
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There is not enough evidence to prove the antiquity of the ancient macedonians to be ancient Greek. To claim the ancient Macedonians to be anceint Greek without certainty is not politicaly correct. To claim something by choosing certain parts of history and neglecting others just questions the validility of the page. The first reference in in contridiction to what other scholars say about the ancient Macedonians. The most appropriate way of dealing with the issue is to refer to the macedonians antiquity as complex and needs further examination. An appropriate way of dealing with the issue is to state that the ancient Macedonians ethnicity in unknown rather to claim simply Ancient Greek.
Eugene Borza
"The Temenidae [the Greek origin] in Macedon are an invention of the Macedonians themselves, intended in part to give credence to Alexander I's claims of Hellenic ancestry, attached to and modifying some half-buried progenitor stories that had for a long time existed among the Macedonians concerning their own origins. The revised version was transmitted without criticism or comment by Herodotus. Thucydides (2-99.3; 5.80.2) acquired the Argive lineage tale from Herodotus, or from Macedonian-influenced sources, and transmitted it. His is not an independent version. [There is no hard evidence (pace Hammond, HM i: 4) that Thucydides ever visited Macedonia, but it makes no difference; Thucydides is reflecting the official version of things.] What emerged in the fifth century is a Macedonian-inspired tale of Argive origins for the Argead house, an account that can probably be traced to its source, Alexander I. The Temenidae must disappear from history, making superfluous all discussion of them as historical figures." (Borza - In the Shadow of Olympus)"Why is it that no Spartan or Athenian or Argive felt constrained to prove to the others that he and his family were Helenes? But Macedonian kings seem hard put to argue in behalf of their Hellenic ancestry in the fifth century B.C., and that circumstance is telling. Even if one were to accept that all the Herodotian stories about Alexander were true, why did the Greeks, who normally were knowledgeable about matters of ethnic kinship, not already know that the Macedonian monarchy was Greek? But--following Herodotus--the stade- race competitors at Olympia thought the Macedonian was a foreigner (Hdt. 5.22: barbaros) Second, for his effort on behalf of the Greek cause against the Persians Alexander is known as "Philhellene". Now this is kind of odd to call a Greek a "friend of the Greeks" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aleksander1978 ( talk • contribs) 18:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
1) Do not delete consensus material supported by references! There is little toleration in WP for such actions.
2) Please read the achieves! This discussion with the same/similar arguments has been repeated way too many times both in this article and in Alexander the Great.
3) Note that ancient Greek does not mean modern Greek. Hence, it is politically correct to say that were ancient Greek since they were speaking a doric dialect (one out of Greek dialects), worship the same Gods (Olympus ), having the same burial customs even in the 8th century BC, participate in (only-Greek) Olympic games, etc, etc
4) Yes the ancient Macedonians were different from ancient Athenians or Spartans i.e. different dialect, strong aristocracy/monarchy, strong cavalry, drinking wine without water, not showing the same appreciation for the concept of polis as the rest of Greece showed etc... But such kind of differences you can find them between Athenians and Spartans, so were does this leave you? Were the Athenians more Greek than Spartans (the Athenian propaganda insulted everyone as barbarians and more frequently their antagonists such the Spartans or Corinthians) or were the Macedonians more Greek than anyone else since they unified the Greeks in terms of culture and language?
5) Anyhow please read the quotes within the context that are in the books. The current scholar position is that ancient Macedonians were part of the proto-Greek group but due to their geographic isolation from the rest of Greece and exposure to barbaric north they developed some different customs. A.Cython ( talk) 19:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes the royalty of the ancient Macedonians spoke probably Attica Greek for administration purposes which they learnt to communicate with the rest of the world. But where is your proof that the native language spoken for the ancient Macedonians was Doric, for both the royalty of Macedonians and common people. There isn’t enough archaeological findings to conclude that their native language was a Greek dialect. One can only assume as a theory, but that’s all it is. Until there is enough proof of the common peoples language then don’t claim it. What your saying has no physical truth to back it up. The most correct way of dealing with the situation of the native language of the Ancient Macedonians is to call it “Ancient Macedonian” with its origins to be unknown.
1) I have no intention to debate. Hammond is one of the leading scholars suggesting that Macedonian language is a Greek dialect. For more look here: Ancient_Macedonian_language.
2) There are more evidence to support that ancient Macedonian was a Greek dialect rather the opposite. So until the evidence are accumulated to prove otherwise we will stick with what we have. That is the only truth we can have! A.Cython ( talk) 16:35, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
There isnt any evidence to prove the language of the ancient macedonians was ancient greek. They cant find anything in macedonia other than artifacts that have attica greek. Clearly the ancient macedonians used attica greek as a second language. There needs to be proof of this so called greek dialect the ancient macedonians spoke. —Preceding
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99.247.116.73 (
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00:58, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah i agree i don't understand why the Wikipedia articles for Alexander the Great and his father Philip II seem biased. There are so many others that request these pages to have alterations but they are just ignored. How can such information be publicized on such a well known site when there are so many questioning the authenticity of the articles? Philip II was king of Macedon, he was a Macedonian not a Greek. The Greeks called the Macedonians barbarians just like what they called all others who did not speak greek. You do not consider a group of people who speaks the same language and who are of the same ethnicity of you as barbaric. So by the Greeks labeling the Macedonians as barbarians shows right there that they were not greek and did not speak greek or at least like the last poster suggests only spoke it as a second language as to communicate with others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Randy38 ( talk • contribs) 22:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Macedon had been declared Greek since the days of Alexander I Alexander_I_of_Macedon. Just because political rivals say otherwise doesn't make Philip any less Greek, since he became the ruler of Greece and was prone to being called a barbarian by his rivals. Philip also participated and won in the Olympics an honor reserved only to Greeks. 76.197.4.77 ( talk) 15:37, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
I understand that despite EU, NATO and UN designation to the name FYROM, FYROM is allowed to label it self Macedonia on this encyclopedia because a collective of powerful editors from that nation maintain what a country refers to itself, despite everything..is what is shall be named on wiki. Fair enough. Both Alexander the Great and his father Philip and most of their ancestors from Aegead Royal house constantly referred to themselves as Greeks. There for should we not put back the fact that they were Greek kings, something that was removed last year by certain Editors?
The article currently presents Musgrave as conclusively proving that Philip II was buried in Tomb II. It would be nice to have some independent sources confirming that the issue is now considered settled by the scientific community, and in particular that the proponents of the Arridhaeus theory now accept that they were wrong. Otherwise the article text should probably be moderated somewhat. Fornadan (t) 17:27, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
The proponents of the Arridhaeus theory will never accept that they were wrong. Especially the Greek ones of them, belong to that category of leftist nation-haters who would argue against everything that exalts the national pride of the Greeks. Read Prof. Hatzopoulos who ridicules them. The case has been settled. Musgrave's study (2010) smashed the pseudo-scientists, and since then I'm not aware of any study disputing Phil. II. — Preceding
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did phillip ever i fight rome? ithought i read somewhere he did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.177.141.238 ( talk) 01:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Philip the Macedonian and his son Alexander were greek kings honoring greek gods and bond with the greek culture. All the historical sources prooves it. The claim of modern FYRM "scholars" are redicolous and me and most of my country mates are ashamed from the act of recoqnising the name of modern FYRM as "Macedonia". We do not agree with our politicians that voted in favor of it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nix1129 ( talk • contribs) 19:46, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
The original notation of the article was BC/AD. At some later point, someone changed it to BCE/CE without prior discussion. I undid this move per WP:ERA which says Do not change the established era style in an article unless there are reasons specific to its content. Seek consensus on the talk page before making the change. I restored the status quo ante. Best Gun Powder Ma ( talk) 12:21, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
quite humorous. What's next, referencing that USA is American? -- Leladax ( talk) 20:22, 2 August 2008 (UTC) I am afraid that Philip is Macedonian not Greek king He is Alexander's father The biggest king ever Both Macedonian not Greek —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.93.14.11 ( talk) 22:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
The majority of scholars seem to concur that the ancient Macedonians were of Greek stock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AkiiraGhioni ( talk • contribs) 15:17, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Dear audio file creator: thanks for your time and effort but kindly learn about the actual subjects you are cluttering with these things. The period pronunciation of the man's name was a breathy ancient Greek P, not a rolling Spanish F. That doesn't change whether you place the file on the translit or the Greek: the translit is the Greek. That's why it's there. Similarly, he didn't speak Latin.
Similarly, apart from Online Etymology Dictionary being a self-published non-RS, the etymology of this particular man's name has absolutely no place in this article let alone its lead. It goes at Philip (given name). — LlywelynII 12:51, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
There has been edit-warring by a new editor to add controversies about Philip's origin at the lead. The edit uses weasel words (some historians
) and starts with the conjunction "Despite" indicating
synthesis. This material does not belong at the lead per
WP:UNDUE. If it belongs anywhere, it is at the main body of the article and after discussion to determine how it is to be phrased.
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some historians consider Philip II not truly or purely Greek.Who is "truly" and "purely" anything? Everyone is mixed to some extent. This is not the criterion for Philips's origin. It looks as if you are after WP:TRUTH and want to advertise it at the lead. As far as the Cyril article WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Dr. K. 02:03, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
(unindent) It seems you care a great deal about Philip, and the notion of racial purity. Please try to understand that other people do not share your obsession with racial purity. There are countless sources that state the Argeads were of Greek origin. If you are so deeply ignorant of this subject so as to not be aware of this, then maybe you should not edit this article. Athenean ( talk) 05:31, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
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There should be some mention in the article of the possibility that Philip fathered an illegitimate son, Ptolemy I Soter, companion of Alexander the Great and later ruler of Egypt. There is plenty of primary and secondary evidence suggesting that this was a distinct possibility. Urselius ( talk) 11:01, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
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In my opinion, this article must be locked and the not authorized members must not be able to change any of the info. We have all ready many arguments about this article. Phillip was a Macedonian King from northern Greece. That's a common seance. Some people are trying to prove that the Macedonians were just Macedonians and not Greeks. That madness has to stop. Also, I wrote in the infobox that he was strategos autokrator of Greece. Some members are trying to prove that he was not. But the ancient Greek text is quite clear: Ελλήνων ελομένων αυτὸν """στρατηγὸν αυτοκράτορα της Ελλάδος""" μεγάλας παρασκευὰς εποιετο πρὸς τὴν επὶ τοὺς Πέρσας στρατείαν... Please give any advise. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:B41F:6800:8891:C792:BCA6:5F26 ( talk) 11:21, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Phillip was a Macedonian King from northern Greece. That's a common seance.This sounds a bit like it could be an amusing suggestion for an original research project; we will all just hold a séance together (in "common") with the ghost of King Philip himself to find out if he really was "a Macedonian King from northern Greece." That ought to settle the Macedonia naming dispute! (Pardon my reduction ad absurdum. I just had to say something; the opportunity was too good.) -- Katolophyromai ( talk) 20:29, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
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NINJA IS MY MOM LOL 24.12.60.191 ( talk) 23:59, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
There was no country or empire known as "Greece" during the life of Philip II. Therefore, his country of birth was Macedon. It was culturally a mix of Greek and non-Greek elements, but there was no political entity known as "Greece". Therefore, "Greece" should not appear in the infobox as if there were such a political entity. On every page where ancient Macedonia has been discussed ( Macedonia (ancient kingdom), for example), the Talk Page consensus has always been to leave the issue of how Greek ancient Macedonia was indeterminate by leaving the word "Greek" out of the description of what ancient Macedonia was. It was a "kingdom", not a "Greek kingdom". Refer to This discussion to see that the result of much discussion was to leave the words "Greek" out of the description of Philip's kingdom. Thus, adding the word "Greece" to the infobox after the word "Macedon" is both anachronistic (there was no country called "Greece" at the time) and against general consensus on articles related to ancient Macedonia. -- Taivo ( talk) 20:12, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
"The Paionians and the Thracians had sacked and invaded the eastern regions of the country,"
This is very speculative!
It is not sure whether the Thracians sacked or invaded in that year (359). Kg. Cotys I. had previously died and the three sons, Cerebleptes, Amadocus and Berisades, were struggling for hegemony, thus it is not very likely that they presented a direct threat to Philip.
All that is proven is that the Philip bribed the Paionians or made them promises. Diod. 16.... And he attcked only when Kg. Agis had died.
"while the Athenians had landed at Methone on the coast, a contingent under a Macedonian pretender called Argaeus. Using diplomacy, Philip pushed back Paionians and Thracians promising tributes, and crushed the 3,000 Athenian hoplites (359)."
It is correct that the Athenians landed at Methone and the number of the contingent led by Mantias is correct also, however, what is 'false', if one can at all use this word here, is that the Athenians engaged in any battle, let alone be crushed.
Philip pulled out of Amphipolis, as he was in need or reinforcements (for the 4000 who died alongside Perdikkas III. against Bardylis), and declared it autonomous, although it factually had that status from 427 onwards.
Athens, whose main goal it was to regain power over Amphipolis, perceived this withdrawal of Philip as a sign of goodwill.
Argaios, however, went to Aigai (the former capital, till 400/399) in order to rally people to his cause. He was unsuccessful and on returning to Methone he was intercepted by Philip and most probably executed.
Cf. Worthington, Ian. Philip II of Macedonia. New Haven/London: Yale UP, 2008. 6-25.
... et. al. Explain what about this is unclear. I am assuming that what historians know as far as basic biographical information about Philip of Macedon is correct. So I suppose his "sacking" could have occurred, but it it not clear if the Thracians sacked or invaded. Am I right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Forponia ( talk • contribs) 23:07, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Seems strange the word 'Greek' is absent from his description. Macedonia was a Greek Kingdom - speaking a Greek language, allowed to compete in the Olympic games - like other Greek states and worshipped the Greek Gods. Finding non-Greek aspects about Philip is very difficult. Seems bizarre his son - Alexander - is called a Greek in his respective article, but Philip is not.. Reaper7 ( talk) 23:30, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
He was obviously Greek and this so called “consensus” is a fraud maintained by you. QuaestorGaius ( talk) 17:19, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
I added a disputed tag. Here is my edit summary:
"Lots of chunks of text are not given any citations. The citations that are there for other statements do not seem to support the uncited statements. I have added several citation needed tags. And I have also added a factual accuracy disputed tag to the top because this article has several strong statements that are uncited." - TrynaMakeADollar ( talk) 06:45, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
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Any citations for this statement? Haiduc 23:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
hope i didn't break any rules by entering it. CuteHappyBrute ( talk) 20:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
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I removed the following about skeletal remains as it appears at odds with journals and articles at present... "However, interestingly, no body or skeleton were ever found. All that remains of Philip II is ash, contained in a magnificent golden larnax, decorated with the Vergina sun, within his stone sarcophagus. [1]"
If you truly feel it ought to go back in, give a reason here on the talk page and reinsert it.
by the way: did you know funny jesters such as David Icke allege phillip to have been a reptilian humanoid? Foreigner 09:48, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Anyone want to add in the military reforms that Philip enacted in Macedonia?
is anybody talking i got a report to do and its hard can some1 help me out
hope i didn't break any rules by entering it. CuteHappyBrute ( talk) 20:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
This article was written using "BC". It was changed a few months ago by Neutrality to BCE. This is clearly in violation of policy, and I can think of no reason why it should continue to be reverted to BCE. john k 19:18, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
not everyone uses bc. that is a religious term. using shouldbe a voilation. bce is used by most scholars now days with the same time table. —Preceding
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01:20, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Someone better informed than me needs to look into the facts of Philip's youth as a hostage. The current text descibes him as a "prisoner", which suggests a misunderstanding of the ancient practice of hostage giving. Hostages were not generally "taken", they were sent to another court as evidence of good faith. Steve Graham ( talk) 12:15, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
The greatest inovation Phillip II did was that he transformed his cavalry into an offenssive weapon borrowing horse tactics from many nations Thessaly and Samataria. he gave the infantry longer spears and ligter armour giving his men more stamina and also used ligt troops like archers and slingers giving him an army that could beat anything sence only a very small elite in the greek citys was proffessional soldiers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.237.143.132 ( talk) 06:07, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Since you both agree that "There isn't any evidence to prove the language of the ancient macedonians was ancient greek. They cant find anything in macedonia other than artifacts that have attica greek. Clearly the ancient macedonians used attica greek as a second language. There needs to be proof of this so called greek dialect the ancient macedonians spoke": You must read a little more about, or you can simply take a look in the Pella curse tablet in where you maybe see some of the proof you so much need. Although is in Doric Greek which was the people's dialect, any modern Greek can understand it. If you cannot, below is the English translation. Regards, -- Factuarius ( talk) 05:13, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
um... OMG... this is just way TOO much info. i didn't use it... NO WAY. just too much. dumb it down people!!! —Preceding
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There are ancient greek writings in macedonia and there is proof of ancient greek being spoken by the ancient macedonians. Languages are constantly evolving and changing. Some go extict while others remain alive. If you tried to prove the ethnicity of someone by solely language, it is simplistic by all means. Language is ever so changing and never remains the same. To compare ancient greek language to modern greek, you can see there are differences. Language is only one variable of many that defines a culture. If you want to prove the greekness of the ancient macedonians with ancient greek fragments found in the region, you must be an expert on cultures. Brazillians speak Portuguese, the rest of the majority of South America speaks Spanish. Haiti speaks French. Some countries in Africa speak French or Spanish. Most of Eastern Europe speaks a slavic langueses, even though extict languages once existed there. Even try to prove the greekness of a third generation greek living in Canada, Australia or the USA who now doesnt know the greek langauge but only knows how to speak English and write English. Does that make the person a English by origin because of their langauge?
Language alone does not define a ethnicity and King Phillip should not be listed as being Greek when there isn't enough evidence. —Preceding
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70.29.15.203 (
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17:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Argead dynasty, member of which is Phillip II, was an ancient greek royal family from Argos descedants of the temenids. Phillip along with the rest of his family members self determined as greek. Irrispectively of the ultimum descent of ancient macedonians, i.e. whether they were of pure greek origins or hellenized and absorbed in hellenism over the archaic and classical years, their ruling house claimed greek descent from time immemorial. So do not condaminate the article with propaganda material. Melathron ( talk) 06:44, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
For instance have a look at the site of the former reigning ducal house of Parma, in Italy. [2]. If you press historia you get to the first page and on the first line you read "LA DINASTIA HISPÁNICA DE BORBON-PARMA", i.e. the spanish dynasty of bourbon parma. They were ruling over italian people in Italy but still retained up to today their spanish identity. Melathron ( talk) 06:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
"He was not, however, a Greek politician or even a Greek, but king of the Macedonians" - Britannica. Wikipedia has got to be more neutral on its articles. Mactruth ( talk) 06:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't seem to be entirely clear that Philip was a Greek, nor that Macedon was part of Greece. In my copy of "A History of Greece to 322 B.C." by NGL Hammond (OUP, 3rd edition, 1986), Chapter 1 of Book VI is entitled "Macedon wins a place among the Greek powers (359-346)". Ethnographically, it's fuzzy (from page 534): "In antiquity Macedonia contained peoples of various origins. At the end of the Bronze Age a residue of Greek tribes stayed behind in southern Macedonia. Perhaps in the seventh century one of these, the 'Macedones', occupied Aegae and expanded into the coastal plain of Lower Macedonia, which became the kingdom of 'Macedon'; their descendants were the Macedonians proper of the classical period, and they worshipped Greek gods, especially Zeus and Heracles. The other Greek tribes became intermingled in Upper Macedonia with Illyrians, Paeonians, and Thracians, and the Thracians especially had their own orgiastic religions, such as that portrayed in the Bacchae."
However, Hammond also makes the following statements:
"The Macedonian kings attracted Greek culture to their court and encouraged economic development of their country by trading with the Greek states, but their realm remained impervious to the political effects of Greek influence." (page 535)
"The Macedonians themselves had little love for the Greeks who had settled in city-states on their coast and in Chalcidice, nor for the imperialistic powers, Sparta, Thebes, and Athens, which treated Macedonia as a pawn in the game of power politics." (pp 535, 536)
"Thus a great citizen army was being built at a time when the Greek states relied mainly upon mercenaries." (page 540)
Similarly, Chapter 2 of Book VI is called "Macedon Gains Control of the Greek States 346-336." It opens with an description of Isocrates' pamphlet called Philippus, urging Philip to unite the Greek states and lead them against Persia. Part 2 of Chapter 2 is called "The invasion of Greece." Part 3 is called "The settlement of Greece and the assassination of Philip". Chapter 4 is called "Alexander and the Greeks defeat Persia 336-330."
So it seems to me that Hammond repeatedly distinguishes between the Greeks and the Macedonians as two distinct (though obviously closely related) political entities.
Hope this helps. Sorry it's all from a book, rather than a link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.109.235.13 ( talk) 14:57, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Ancient Macedon was viewed as half-Greek or thereabouts. They spoke a language closely related to Greek, but had very different political institutions. What is not useful is the drive to obscure the difference between an ancient Macedonian and modern Macedonian Slavs. Philip was an ancient Macedonian, which may or may not be Greek, but he had no particular connections to the modern nation of Macedonia. john k ( talk) 17:47, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Ancient Macedon had been declared to be Greek since the days of Alexander I of Macedon. Alexander_I_of_Macedon 76.232.0.23 ( talk) 14:53, 26 April 2011 (UT
The article appears at odds with Science vol288 p511 "", 21 April 2000, which implies that the 1977 tomb did contain a skeleton, but it probably was not Philip II but Philip III. The abstract says "The Eye Injury of King Philip II and the Skeletal Evidence from the Royal Tomb II at Vergina Antonis Bartsiokas The Royal Tomb II was discovered in Vergina, Greece, in 1977. It contained a male skeleton and a rich array of grave goods. Evidence of trauma supposedly in the orbital bones of the skull has been thought to correspond to an eye injury that King Philip II is historically known to have suffered. However, reexamination of the orbital morphology showed no evidence of such pathology. Therefore, the skeleton does not belong to Philip II. New skeletal evidence shows that the skeleton belongs to King Philip III Arrhidaeus. In this case, the tomb may well contain some of the paraphernalia of Alexander the Great."
There are about three scientific articles about the remains of his body. One in Archeologike Ephemeris 1981, a later one in the Journal of Hellenic Studies by Musgrave et ali. and in the American Journal of Archaeology later on. I'll look for the exact years later on. All are concerned with the remaining bone material from all parts of the skeleton. At least in the last article there was a reconstruction of his face presented. But this reconstruction uses portraits of Philipp. Overall a public relation gimmick imo.
-Anon
References updated with modern publications. Philip Arrhidaeus hypothesis is very weak. --
Euzen (
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There is not enough evidence to prove the antiquity of the ancient macedonians to be ancient Greek. To claim the ancient Macedonians to be anceint Greek without certainty is not politicaly correct. To claim something by choosing certain parts of history and neglecting others just questions the validility of the page. The first reference in in contridiction to what other scholars say about the ancient Macedonians. The most appropriate way of dealing with the issue is to refer to the macedonians antiquity as complex and needs further examination. An appropriate way of dealing with the issue is to state that the ancient Macedonians ethnicity in unknown rather to claim simply Ancient Greek.
Eugene Borza
"The Temenidae [the Greek origin] in Macedon are an invention of the Macedonians themselves, intended in part to give credence to Alexander I's claims of Hellenic ancestry, attached to and modifying some half-buried progenitor stories that had for a long time existed among the Macedonians concerning their own origins. The revised version was transmitted without criticism or comment by Herodotus. Thucydides (2-99.3; 5.80.2) acquired the Argive lineage tale from Herodotus, or from Macedonian-influenced sources, and transmitted it. His is not an independent version. [There is no hard evidence (pace Hammond, HM i: 4) that Thucydides ever visited Macedonia, but it makes no difference; Thucydides is reflecting the official version of things.] What emerged in the fifth century is a Macedonian-inspired tale of Argive origins for the Argead house, an account that can probably be traced to its source, Alexander I. The Temenidae must disappear from history, making superfluous all discussion of them as historical figures." (Borza - In the Shadow of Olympus)"Why is it that no Spartan or Athenian or Argive felt constrained to prove to the others that he and his family were Helenes? But Macedonian kings seem hard put to argue in behalf of their Hellenic ancestry in the fifth century B.C., and that circumstance is telling. Even if one were to accept that all the Herodotian stories about Alexander were true, why did the Greeks, who normally were knowledgeable about matters of ethnic kinship, not already know that the Macedonian monarchy was Greek? But--following Herodotus--the stade- race competitors at Olympia thought the Macedonian was a foreigner (Hdt. 5.22: barbaros) Second, for his effort on behalf of the Greek cause against the Persians Alexander is known as "Philhellene". Now this is kind of odd to call a Greek a "friend of the Greeks" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aleksander1978 ( talk • contribs) 18:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
1) Do not delete consensus material supported by references! There is little toleration in WP for such actions.
2) Please read the achieves! This discussion with the same/similar arguments has been repeated way too many times both in this article and in Alexander the Great.
3) Note that ancient Greek does not mean modern Greek. Hence, it is politically correct to say that were ancient Greek since they were speaking a doric dialect (one out of Greek dialects), worship the same Gods (Olympus ), having the same burial customs even in the 8th century BC, participate in (only-Greek) Olympic games, etc, etc
4) Yes the ancient Macedonians were different from ancient Athenians or Spartans i.e. different dialect, strong aristocracy/monarchy, strong cavalry, drinking wine without water, not showing the same appreciation for the concept of polis as the rest of Greece showed etc... But such kind of differences you can find them between Athenians and Spartans, so were does this leave you? Were the Athenians more Greek than Spartans (the Athenian propaganda insulted everyone as barbarians and more frequently their antagonists such the Spartans or Corinthians) or were the Macedonians more Greek than anyone else since they unified the Greeks in terms of culture and language?
5) Anyhow please read the quotes within the context that are in the books. The current scholar position is that ancient Macedonians were part of the proto-Greek group but due to their geographic isolation from the rest of Greece and exposure to barbaric north they developed some different customs. A.Cython ( talk) 19:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes the royalty of the ancient Macedonians spoke probably Attica Greek for administration purposes which they learnt to communicate with the rest of the world. But where is your proof that the native language spoken for the ancient Macedonians was Doric, for both the royalty of Macedonians and common people. There isn’t enough archaeological findings to conclude that their native language was a Greek dialect. One can only assume as a theory, but that’s all it is. Until there is enough proof of the common peoples language then don’t claim it. What your saying has no physical truth to back it up. The most correct way of dealing with the situation of the native language of the Ancient Macedonians is to call it “Ancient Macedonian” with its origins to be unknown.
1) I have no intention to debate. Hammond is one of the leading scholars suggesting that Macedonian language is a Greek dialect. For more look here: Ancient_Macedonian_language.
2) There are more evidence to support that ancient Macedonian was a Greek dialect rather the opposite. So until the evidence are accumulated to prove otherwise we will stick with what we have. That is the only truth we can have! A.Cython ( talk) 16:35, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
There isnt any evidence to prove the language of the ancient macedonians was ancient greek. They cant find anything in macedonia other than artifacts that have attica greek. Clearly the ancient macedonians used attica greek as a second language. There needs to be proof of this so called greek dialect the ancient macedonians spoke. —Preceding
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99.247.116.73 (
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00:58, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah i agree i don't understand why the Wikipedia articles for Alexander the Great and his father Philip II seem biased. There are so many others that request these pages to have alterations but they are just ignored. How can such information be publicized on such a well known site when there are so many questioning the authenticity of the articles? Philip II was king of Macedon, he was a Macedonian not a Greek. The Greeks called the Macedonians barbarians just like what they called all others who did not speak greek. You do not consider a group of people who speaks the same language and who are of the same ethnicity of you as barbaric. So by the Greeks labeling the Macedonians as barbarians shows right there that they were not greek and did not speak greek or at least like the last poster suggests only spoke it as a second language as to communicate with others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Randy38 ( talk • contribs) 22:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Macedon had been declared Greek since the days of Alexander I Alexander_I_of_Macedon. Just because political rivals say otherwise doesn't make Philip any less Greek, since he became the ruler of Greece and was prone to being called a barbarian by his rivals. Philip also participated and won in the Olympics an honor reserved only to Greeks. 76.197.4.77 ( talk) 15:37, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
I understand that despite EU, NATO and UN designation to the name FYROM, FYROM is allowed to label it self Macedonia on this encyclopedia because a collective of powerful editors from that nation maintain what a country refers to itself, despite everything..is what is shall be named on wiki. Fair enough. Both Alexander the Great and his father Philip and most of their ancestors from Aegead Royal house constantly referred to themselves as Greeks. There for should we not put back the fact that they were Greek kings, something that was removed last year by certain Editors?
The article currently presents Musgrave as conclusively proving that Philip II was buried in Tomb II. It would be nice to have some independent sources confirming that the issue is now considered settled by the scientific community, and in particular that the proponents of the Arridhaeus theory now accept that they were wrong. Otherwise the article text should probably be moderated somewhat. Fornadan (t) 17:27, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
The proponents of the Arridhaeus theory will never accept that they were wrong. Especially the Greek ones of them, belong to that category of leftist nation-haters who would argue against everything that exalts the national pride of the Greeks. Read Prof. Hatzopoulos who ridicules them. The case has been settled. Musgrave's study (2010) smashed the pseudo-scientists, and since then I'm not aware of any study disputing Phil. II. — Preceding
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did phillip ever i fight rome? ithought i read somewhere he did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.177.141.238 ( talk) 01:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Philip the Macedonian and his son Alexander were greek kings honoring greek gods and bond with the greek culture. All the historical sources prooves it. The claim of modern FYRM "scholars" are redicolous and me and most of my country mates are ashamed from the act of recoqnising the name of modern FYRM as "Macedonia". We do not agree with our politicians that voted in favor of it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nix1129 ( talk • contribs) 19:46, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
The original notation of the article was BC/AD. At some later point, someone changed it to BCE/CE without prior discussion. I undid this move per WP:ERA which says Do not change the established era style in an article unless there are reasons specific to its content. Seek consensus on the talk page before making the change. I restored the status quo ante. Best Gun Powder Ma ( talk) 12:21, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
quite humorous. What's next, referencing that USA is American? -- Leladax ( talk) 20:22, 2 August 2008 (UTC) I am afraid that Philip is Macedonian not Greek king He is Alexander's father The biggest king ever Both Macedonian not Greek —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.93.14.11 ( talk) 22:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
The majority of scholars seem to concur that the ancient Macedonians were of Greek stock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AkiiraGhioni ( talk • contribs) 15:17, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Dear audio file creator: thanks for your time and effort but kindly learn about the actual subjects you are cluttering with these things. The period pronunciation of the man's name was a breathy ancient Greek P, not a rolling Spanish F. That doesn't change whether you place the file on the translit or the Greek: the translit is the Greek. That's why it's there. Similarly, he didn't speak Latin.
Similarly, apart from Online Etymology Dictionary being a self-published non-RS, the etymology of this particular man's name has absolutely no place in this article let alone its lead. It goes at Philip (given name). — LlywelynII 12:51, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
There has been edit-warring by a new editor to add controversies about Philip's origin at the lead. The edit uses weasel words (some historians
) and starts with the conjunction "Despite" indicating
synthesis. This material does not belong at the lead per
WP:UNDUE. If it belongs anywhere, it is at the main body of the article and after discussion to determine how it is to be phrased.
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16:37, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
some historians consider Philip II not truly or purely Greek.Who is "truly" and "purely" anything? Everyone is mixed to some extent. This is not the criterion for Philips's origin. It looks as if you are after WP:TRUTH and want to advertise it at the lead. As far as the Cyril article WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Dr. K. 02:03, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
(unindent) It seems you care a great deal about Philip, and the notion of racial purity. Please try to understand that other people do not share your obsession with racial purity. There are countless sources that state the Argeads were of Greek origin. If you are so deeply ignorant of this subject so as to not be aware of this, then maybe you should not edit this article. Athenean ( talk) 05:31, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
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The article is not well structured, could use more subdivisions. Some important material is missing, like his military buildup, the silver mines and the siege train. references aren't clear. Wandalstouring 16:27, 15 April 2007 (UTC) |
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There should be some mention in the article of the possibility that Philip fathered an illegitimate son, Ptolemy I Soter, companion of Alexander the Great and later ruler of Egypt. There is plenty of primary and secondary evidence suggesting that this was a distinct possibility. Urselius ( talk) 11:01, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
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In my opinion, this article must be locked and the not authorized members must not be able to change any of the info. We have all ready many arguments about this article. Phillip was a Macedonian King from northern Greece. That's a common seance. Some people are trying to prove that the Macedonians were just Macedonians and not Greeks. That madness has to stop. Also, I wrote in the infobox that he was strategos autokrator of Greece. Some members are trying to prove that he was not. But the ancient Greek text is quite clear: Ελλήνων ελομένων αυτὸν """στρατηγὸν αυτοκράτορα της Ελλάδος""" μεγάλας παρασκευὰς εποιετο πρὸς τὴν επὶ τοὺς Πέρσας στρατείαν... Please give any advise. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:B41F:6800:8891:C792:BCA6:5F26 ( talk) 11:21, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Phillip was a Macedonian King from northern Greece. That's a common seance.This sounds a bit like it could be an amusing suggestion for an original research project; we will all just hold a séance together (in "common") with the ghost of King Philip himself to find out if he really was "a Macedonian King from northern Greece." That ought to settle the Macedonia naming dispute! (Pardon my reduction ad absurdum. I just had to say something; the opportunity was too good.) -- Katolophyromai ( talk) 20:29, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
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NINJA IS MY MOM LOL 24.12.60.191 ( talk) 23:59, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
There was no country or empire known as "Greece" during the life of Philip II. Therefore, his country of birth was Macedon. It was culturally a mix of Greek and non-Greek elements, but there was no political entity known as "Greece". Therefore, "Greece" should not appear in the infobox as if there were such a political entity. On every page where ancient Macedonia has been discussed ( Macedonia (ancient kingdom), for example), the Talk Page consensus has always been to leave the issue of how Greek ancient Macedonia was indeterminate by leaving the word "Greek" out of the description of what ancient Macedonia was. It was a "kingdom", not a "Greek kingdom". Refer to This discussion to see that the result of much discussion was to leave the words "Greek" out of the description of Philip's kingdom. Thus, adding the word "Greece" to the infobox after the word "Macedon" is both anachronistic (there was no country called "Greece" at the time) and against general consensus on articles related to ancient Macedonia. -- Taivo ( talk) 20:12, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
"The Paionians and the Thracians had sacked and invaded the eastern regions of the country,"
This is very speculative!
It is not sure whether the Thracians sacked or invaded in that year (359). Kg. Cotys I. had previously died and the three sons, Cerebleptes, Amadocus and Berisades, were struggling for hegemony, thus it is not very likely that they presented a direct threat to Philip.
All that is proven is that the Philip bribed the Paionians or made them promises. Diod. 16.... And he attcked only when Kg. Agis had died.
"while the Athenians had landed at Methone on the coast, a contingent under a Macedonian pretender called Argaeus. Using diplomacy, Philip pushed back Paionians and Thracians promising tributes, and crushed the 3,000 Athenian hoplites (359)."
It is correct that the Athenians landed at Methone and the number of the contingent led by Mantias is correct also, however, what is 'false', if one can at all use this word here, is that the Athenians engaged in any battle, let alone be crushed.
Philip pulled out of Amphipolis, as he was in need or reinforcements (for the 4000 who died alongside Perdikkas III. against Bardylis), and declared it autonomous, although it factually had that status from 427 onwards.
Athens, whose main goal it was to regain power over Amphipolis, perceived this withdrawal of Philip as a sign of goodwill.
Argaios, however, went to Aigai (the former capital, till 400/399) in order to rally people to his cause. He was unsuccessful and on returning to Methone he was intercepted by Philip and most probably executed.
Cf. Worthington, Ian. Philip II of Macedonia. New Haven/London: Yale UP, 2008. 6-25.
... et. al. Explain what about this is unclear. I am assuming that what historians know as far as basic biographical information about Philip of Macedon is correct. So I suppose his "sacking" could have occurred, but it it not clear if the Thracians sacked or invaded. Am I right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Forponia ( talk • contribs) 23:07, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Seems strange the word 'Greek' is absent from his description. Macedonia was a Greek Kingdom - speaking a Greek language, allowed to compete in the Olympic games - like other Greek states and worshipped the Greek Gods. Finding non-Greek aspects about Philip is very difficult. Seems bizarre his son - Alexander - is called a Greek in his respective article, but Philip is not.. Reaper7 ( talk) 23:30, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
He was obviously Greek and this so called “consensus” is a fraud maintained by you. QuaestorGaius ( talk) 17:19, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
I added a disputed tag. Here is my edit summary:
"Lots of chunks of text are not given any citations. The citations that are there for other statements do not seem to support the uncited statements. I have added several citation needed tags. And I have also added a factual accuracy disputed tag to the top because this article has several strong statements that are uncited." - TrynaMakeADollar ( talk) 06:45, 12 April 2020 (UTC)