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Philip Hamilton, who died at age 19, is not notable on his own (except for being the son of Alexander Hamilton and for the way he died--in a duel). He is mentioned in his father's Wikipedia article already, and also at the Burr–Hamilton duel Wikipedia article. The user who created this article, @ Erindumm:, apparently did so after seeing the musical called Hamilton about Philip's father. (In the musical, there is a character that portrays Philip.) 64.134.64.190 ( talk) 08:36, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
After closing this discussion I discovered that it had never been properly opened since notice of the proposed merge was never posted to the propose merge target, Burr–Hamilton duel. If anyone wants to suggest the merge again please do so properly per WP:MERGEPROP. Meters ( talk) 20:03, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
That Picture is not of Philip Hamilton, but of his brother William S. Hamilton, and it is also incorrectly captioned. How could that be him at 20 if he was 19 when he died? 207.237.144.42 ( talk) 19:18, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
I just made post about this same thing, its funny how a simple mistake can convinvce so many people. LesWif ( talk) 10:32, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
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change the category "1804 deaths" to "1801 deaths" because he died in 1801
64.110.221.202 ( talk) 05:12, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
While the MOS:SURNAME policy is valid, the editors (not me) who originally chose to use "Philip" (which is itself NOT a surname) rather than "Hamilton" in this specific article did so to avoid confusion 1) because "Hamilton" normally refers to Alexander Hamilton the founding father 2) Alexander Hamilton died in almost exactly the same way as his first born Philip 3) Alexander Hamilton had a son also named Alexander 4) Alexander Hamilton had a further son he named Philip in honor of his deceased first born. Etc. In this situation if using first names is not considered good policy, using at least both first AND last names is a necessity since "Hamilton" after some of the latest edits is used in the article to refer to both father and son and given the similarities in their deaths the circumstances are not enough to avoid confusion, on the contrary they contribute to increase it. I'll welcome the opinion of fellow editors. Isananni ( talk) 07:03, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
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Change "lodged in his right arm" to "lodged in his left arm". One source is page 653 of Alexander Hamilton by Ron Chernow which says: "Eacker then shot Philip above the right hip, the bullet slashing through his body and lodging in his left arm". Duelists preferred to stand sideways and present a slim silhouette. 2605:E000:C482:5900:55A0:5468:707C:91CD ( talk) 02:01, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
So this isnt really a discussion but I want to mention that the picture many people put on the wikipedia page of "Philip " is actually a picture of his brother "William S. Hamilton" LesWif ( talk) 10:30, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
The place of death must be Manhattan (and not Weehawken), -- Hannes 24 ( talk) 16:53, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
@
Isananni,
Bruce1ee, and
Random Cat Girl: This adds some context to Isananni's edit comment
here, where she wrote, "Not a typo, the original text did not have the “h”, the [h] means it was added for the modern reader":
In the original text, the "h" was capitalized because it was the first letter of a sentence. In this quote, it's altered to lowercase, because this quote was edited to combine two sentences into one sentence, using an ellipsis for the omitted words between them. The brackets indicate that there has been an alteration to the original – for the Wikipedia policy on this, see the very last example in
MOS:CONFORM.
Lwarrenwiki (
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Is it necessary to include Alexander Hamilton's information in the lede? It doesn't directly pertain to the life of Philip Hamilton. ChunyangD ( talk) 01:31, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
ChunyangD ( talk) 13:23, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
In the photo that is not Philip. It's his younger brother William. Please do actual research if you edit a page and not just believe some poop you read on Tumblr. At the bottom of the photo (not that photo on the page) you can read the name. It's William S. Hamilton. Like William Stephen Hamilton. It's nowhere Philip Hamilton. I don't care wath Chernow said because he isn't God and he made mistakes. And Lin-Manuel Miranda isn't God either. Hamilton is so inaccurate if you believe anything from it well you are not that smart. So please do research and after you did research edit the page because like I said before, it's William, not Philip. Queenofthecontinent ( talk) 07:23, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
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please remove the image misidentified as Philip Hamilton and the following text.
Misidentified Portrait
A portrait of William S. Hamilton is commonly misidentified in books, publications, and on the internet as that of his older brother Philip Hamilton who was killed in a duel in 1801. More research by A.K. Fielding author of Rough Diamond: The Life of William Stephen Hamilton [1]published 2021 by Indiana University Press, cites the Wisconsin Historical Society has in their collection a letter dated 1880 from Philip Hamilton II identifying the image as a photo of a miniature portrait of his older brother William. Another source identifying the image as William was published in 1903 titled The Black Hawk War by Frank E. Stevens. Further support of the portrait's misidentification can be found in a closer study of the clothing of the man in the portrait who is dressed in a style more indicative of the 1820s which would more align with William's age than Philip's. A.K. Fielding states in her book "Further research with the help of the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation revealed that the clothing worn by the young man in the photograph indeed reflected nineteenth-century fashion." William's nephew Allan McLane Hamilton first published the portrait in his 1910 book and has been the only citation in its widespread use and misidentification. BrucHM ( talk) 18:54, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
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Philip Hamilton, who died at age 19, is not notable on his own (except for being the son of Alexander Hamilton and for the way he died--in a duel). He is mentioned in his father's Wikipedia article already, and also at the Burr–Hamilton duel Wikipedia article. The user who created this article, @ Erindumm:, apparently did so after seeing the musical called Hamilton about Philip's father. (In the musical, there is a character that portrays Philip.) 64.134.64.190 ( talk) 08:36, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
After closing this discussion I discovered that it had never been properly opened since notice of the proposed merge was never posted to the propose merge target, Burr–Hamilton duel. If anyone wants to suggest the merge again please do so properly per WP:MERGEPROP. Meters ( talk) 20:03, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
That Picture is not of Philip Hamilton, but of his brother William S. Hamilton, and it is also incorrectly captioned. How could that be him at 20 if he was 19 when he died? 207.237.144.42 ( talk) 19:18, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
I just made post about this same thing, its funny how a simple mistake can convinvce so many people. LesWif ( talk) 10:32, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
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change the category "1804 deaths" to "1801 deaths" because he died in 1801
64.110.221.202 ( talk) 05:12, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
While the MOS:SURNAME policy is valid, the editors (not me) who originally chose to use "Philip" (which is itself NOT a surname) rather than "Hamilton" in this specific article did so to avoid confusion 1) because "Hamilton" normally refers to Alexander Hamilton the founding father 2) Alexander Hamilton died in almost exactly the same way as his first born Philip 3) Alexander Hamilton had a son also named Alexander 4) Alexander Hamilton had a further son he named Philip in honor of his deceased first born. Etc. In this situation if using first names is not considered good policy, using at least both first AND last names is a necessity since "Hamilton" after some of the latest edits is used in the article to refer to both father and son and given the similarities in their deaths the circumstances are not enough to avoid confusion, on the contrary they contribute to increase it. I'll welcome the opinion of fellow editors. Isananni ( talk) 07:03, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
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Change "lodged in his right arm" to "lodged in his left arm". One source is page 653 of Alexander Hamilton by Ron Chernow which says: "Eacker then shot Philip above the right hip, the bullet slashing through his body and lodging in his left arm". Duelists preferred to stand sideways and present a slim silhouette. 2605:E000:C482:5900:55A0:5468:707C:91CD ( talk) 02:01, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
So this isnt really a discussion but I want to mention that the picture many people put on the wikipedia page of "Philip " is actually a picture of his brother "William S. Hamilton" LesWif ( talk) 10:30, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
The place of death must be Manhattan (and not Weehawken), -- Hannes 24 ( talk) 16:53, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
@
Isananni,
Bruce1ee, and
Random Cat Girl: This adds some context to Isananni's edit comment
here, where she wrote, "Not a typo, the original text did not have the “h”, the [h] means it was added for the modern reader":
In the original text, the "h" was capitalized because it was the first letter of a sentence. In this quote, it's altered to lowercase, because this quote was edited to combine two sentences into one sentence, using an ellipsis for the omitted words between them. The brackets indicate that there has been an alteration to the original – for the Wikipedia policy on this, see the very last example in
MOS:CONFORM.
Lwarrenwiki (
talk) 17:07, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
Is it necessary to include Alexander Hamilton's information in the lede? It doesn't directly pertain to the life of Philip Hamilton. ChunyangD ( talk) 01:31, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
ChunyangD ( talk) 13:23, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
In the photo that is not Philip. It's his younger brother William. Please do actual research if you edit a page and not just believe some poop you read on Tumblr. At the bottom of the photo (not that photo on the page) you can read the name. It's William S. Hamilton. Like William Stephen Hamilton. It's nowhere Philip Hamilton. I don't care wath Chernow said because he isn't God and he made mistakes. And Lin-Manuel Miranda isn't God either. Hamilton is so inaccurate if you believe anything from it well you are not that smart. So please do research and after you did research edit the page because like I said before, it's William, not Philip. Queenofthecontinent ( talk) 07:23, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
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please remove the image misidentified as Philip Hamilton and the following text.
Misidentified Portrait
A portrait of William S. Hamilton is commonly misidentified in books, publications, and on the internet as that of his older brother Philip Hamilton who was killed in a duel in 1801. More research by A.K. Fielding author of Rough Diamond: The Life of William Stephen Hamilton [1]published 2021 by Indiana University Press, cites the Wisconsin Historical Society has in their collection a letter dated 1880 from Philip Hamilton II identifying the image as a photo of a miniature portrait of his older brother William. Another source identifying the image as William was published in 1903 titled The Black Hawk War by Frank E. Stevens. Further support of the portrait's misidentification can be found in a closer study of the clothing of the man in the portrait who is dressed in a style more indicative of the 1820s which would more align with William's age than Philip's. A.K. Fielding states in her book "Further research with the help of the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation revealed that the clothing worn by the young man in the photograph indeed reflected nineteenth-century fashion." William's nephew Allan McLane Hamilton first published the portrait in his 1910 book and has been the only citation in its widespread use and misidentification. BrucHM ( talk) 18:54, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
References