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Regarding WikiProject Poland

Marcelus, why did you answer No, and it's not your call when I gave you the quote from WP:PROJSCOPE: If an article is only tangentially related to the scope of a WikiProject, then please do not place that project's banner on the article. For example, washing toys for babies reduces transmission of some diseases, but the banners for WP:WikiProject Health and fitness, WP:WikiProject Biology, (...) and/or WP:WikiProject Medicine do not need to be added to Talk:Toy.? You don't WP:OWN this article and adding WikiProject Poland to the talk pages of historical Lithuanian figures that are only tangentially related to Poland/Poles goes against Wiki policy. You're already part of WP:LITHUANIA which already covers this article, there's no need to add another WikiProject you're in. Cukrakalnis ( talk) 20:16, 17 July 2022 (UTC) reply

@Cukrakalnis Topic is relevant for the Wikiproject:Poland, because it's directly related to the Glinciszki massacre. I hope you understand Marcelus ( talk) 20:24, 17 July 2022 (UTC) reply
Could you please explain why you rated it C-class instead of B-class like the article is rated in other WikiProjects? Cukrakalnis ( talk) 22:16, 17 July 2022 (UTC) reply

Question

@ Iazyges, considering your edit on August 5, what is lacking in structure? I would like to know in order to improve the article. Cukrakalnis ( talk) 16:37, 10 August 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Cukrakalnis: The issue is primarily in the shortness of the lede; per long-standing consensus, an article fails B3 if it has a single-sentence lede. Happy to re-assess when that is expanded. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 16:43, 10 August 2022 (UTC) reply
@ Iazyges, Thank you for your clarity :) I have expanded the lede to four sentences instead of one. Cukrakalnis ( talk) 16:58, 10 August 2022 (UTC) reply

Proposed bibliography for discussion

Rough and not formatted, but in the interests of advancing discussion:

Bibliography items for discussion

Rough and not properly formatted yet but in the interests of advancing discussion:

should meet Holocaust in Poland sourcing standard

  • Saulius Sužiedelis ˙

Lithuanian Collaboration during the Second World War: Past Realities, Present Perceptions In a study of the German occupation of Poland This presentation is in part a modified summary and collation of my studies presented in earlier venues: my reports “Foreign Saviors, Native Disciples: Perspectives on Collaboration in Lithuania, 1940–1945”, presented at the conference “Reichskommissariat Ostland” at Uppsala University and Södertörn University College, in April 2002, now published in: Collaboration and Resistance during the Holocaust. Belarus, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, ed. by David Gaunt (et al.). Bern 1941” in Vilnius at the conference “Holocaust in Lithuania” September 2002; my articles: The Burden of 1941, in: Lituanus 47:4 (2001), pp. 47-60; Thoughts on Lithuania’s Shadows of the Past: A Historical Essay on the Legacy of War, Part I, in: Vilnius (Summer 1998), pp. 129-146; Thoughts on Lithuania’s Shadows of the Past: A Historical Essay on the Legacy of War, Part II, in: Vilnius (Summer 1999), pp. 177-208; and my introduction to Avraham Tory’s well-known diary, Avrahamo Torio Kauno getas: diena po dienos. [The Kaunas Ghetto of Avraham Tory: Day after Day]. Vilnius 2000, S. V-LX

  • Sužiedelis, Saulius. "Lithuanian collaboration during the Second World War: past realities, present perceptions." Collaboration and Resistance during the Holocaust: Belarus, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania (2006): 158.2004, pp. 313-359, and “The Mass Persecution and Murder of Jews: The Summer and Fall of
  • THE TRAGEDY OF THE HOLOCAUST IN LITHUANIA: FROM THE ROOTS OF THE IDENTITY TO THE EFFORTS

TOWARDS RECONCILIATION EDITA GRUODYTĖ* AURELIJA ADOMAITYTĖ THE TRAGEDY OF THE HOLOCAUST IN LITHUANIA: FROM THE ROOTS OF THE IDENTITY TO THE EFFORTS TOWARDS RECONCILIATION EDITA GRUODYTĖ* AURELIJA ADOMAITYTĖ http://repozytorium.uni.wroc.pl/Content/131194/PDF/109_Gruodyte_E_Adomaityte_A_The_tragedy_of_the_holocaust_in_Lithuania.pdf

  • Timothy Snyder, Bloodlands

Amir Weiner https://doi.org/10.4000/monderusse.7904 Référence(s) : Timothy Snyder, Bloodlands. Europe between Hitler and Stalin. New York : Basic Books, 2010, xix + 524 p. [version française : Terres de sang. L’Europe entre Hitler et Staline, Paris : Gallimard, 2012, 712 p.] https://journals.openedition.org/monderusse/7904

  • Titre The Litvaks: A Short History of the Jews in Lithuania

Berghahn Series Auteur Dov Levin Édition illustrée Éditeur Berghahn Books, 2000 ISBN 9653080849, 9789653080843 Longueur 283 pages

  • Titre Poland's Holocaust: Ethnic Strife, Collaboration with Occupying Forces and Genocide in the Second Republic, 1918-1947

Auteur Tadeusz Piotrowski Édition illustrée Éditeur McFarland, 2007 ISBN 0786429135, 9780786429134 Longueur 451 pages https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=NBbnrEMswbUC&oi=fnd&pg=PR9&dq=lithuanian+nazi+collaboration&ots=y-bQ-klJgX&sig=T17vWY_bKQOpCuumghAPvOev4Fg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=lithuanian%20nazi%20collaboration&f=false

  • Abstract

JOURNAL ARTICLE Rehearsing for Murder: The Beginning of the Final Solution in Lithuania in June 1941 Get access Arrow Konrad Kwiet Holocaust and Genocide Studies, Volume 12, Issue 1, Spring 1998, Pages 3–26, https://doi.org/10.1093/hgs/12.1.3

  • ENTREPRENEURS OF A DIFFICULT PAST: THE ORGANISATION OF KNOWLEDGE REGIMES IN POST-SOVIET LITHUANIAN MUSEUMS

In: European Cultural Memory Post-89 Author: Eglė Rindzevičiūtė https://www.jmberlin.de/sites/default/files/antisemitism-in-europe-today_15-malinauskaite.pdf Type: Chapter Pages: 63–9 https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=gPPREAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA1910&dq=lithuanian+nazi+collaboration&ots=urbeM1-74C&sig=2JBm9V3ZKBFLDDg6V6SxrgInh90&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=lithuanian%20nazi%20collaboration&f=true

  • The Forest Brotherood: Baltic Resistance against the Nazis and Soviets

Auteur Dan Kaszeta Éditeur Hurst Publishers, 2023 ISBN 1805262432, 9781805262435 Longueur 272 pages https://books.google.ca/books?id=gPPREAAAQBAJ&dq=lithuanian+nazi+collaboration&lr=&source=gbs_navlinks_s https://doi.org/10.1163/9789401208895_005

abstract

still acceptable under currentsourcing standards

“It’s time to stop blaming each other, leave our ghettos and start talking,” he adds.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Regarding WikiProject Poland

Marcelus, why did you answer No, and it's not your call when I gave you the quote from WP:PROJSCOPE: If an article is only tangentially related to the scope of a WikiProject, then please do not place that project's banner on the article. For example, washing toys for babies reduces transmission of some diseases, but the banners for WP:WikiProject Health and fitness, WP:WikiProject Biology, (...) and/or WP:WikiProject Medicine do not need to be added to Talk:Toy.? You don't WP:OWN this article and adding WikiProject Poland to the talk pages of historical Lithuanian figures that are only tangentially related to Poland/Poles goes against Wiki policy. You're already part of WP:LITHUANIA which already covers this article, there's no need to add another WikiProject you're in. Cukrakalnis ( talk) 20:16, 17 July 2022 (UTC) reply

@Cukrakalnis Topic is relevant for the Wikiproject:Poland, because it's directly related to the Glinciszki massacre. I hope you understand Marcelus ( talk) 20:24, 17 July 2022 (UTC) reply
Could you please explain why you rated it C-class instead of B-class like the article is rated in other WikiProjects? Cukrakalnis ( talk) 22:16, 17 July 2022 (UTC) reply

Question

@ Iazyges, considering your edit on August 5, what is lacking in structure? I would like to know in order to improve the article. Cukrakalnis ( talk) 16:37, 10 August 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Cukrakalnis: The issue is primarily in the shortness of the lede; per long-standing consensus, an article fails B3 if it has a single-sentence lede. Happy to re-assess when that is expanded. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 16:43, 10 August 2022 (UTC) reply
@ Iazyges, Thank you for your clarity :) I have expanded the lede to four sentences instead of one. Cukrakalnis ( talk) 16:58, 10 August 2022 (UTC) reply

Proposed bibliography for discussion

Rough and not formatted, but in the interests of advancing discussion:

Bibliography items for discussion

Rough and not properly formatted yet but in the interests of advancing discussion:

should meet Holocaust in Poland sourcing standard

  • Saulius Sužiedelis ˙

Lithuanian Collaboration during the Second World War: Past Realities, Present Perceptions In a study of the German occupation of Poland This presentation is in part a modified summary and collation of my studies presented in earlier venues: my reports “Foreign Saviors, Native Disciples: Perspectives on Collaboration in Lithuania, 1940–1945”, presented at the conference “Reichskommissariat Ostland” at Uppsala University and Södertörn University College, in April 2002, now published in: Collaboration and Resistance during the Holocaust. Belarus, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, ed. by David Gaunt (et al.). Bern 1941” in Vilnius at the conference “Holocaust in Lithuania” September 2002; my articles: The Burden of 1941, in: Lituanus 47:4 (2001), pp. 47-60; Thoughts on Lithuania’s Shadows of the Past: A Historical Essay on the Legacy of War, Part I, in: Vilnius (Summer 1998), pp. 129-146; Thoughts on Lithuania’s Shadows of the Past: A Historical Essay on the Legacy of War, Part II, in: Vilnius (Summer 1999), pp. 177-208; and my introduction to Avraham Tory’s well-known diary, Avrahamo Torio Kauno getas: diena po dienos. [The Kaunas Ghetto of Avraham Tory: Day after Day]. Vilnius 2000, S. V-LX

  • Sužiedelis, Saulius. "Lithuanian collaboration during the Second World War: past realities, present perceptions." Collaboration and Resistance during the Holocaust: Belarus, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania (2006): 158.2004, pp. 313-359, and “The Mass Persecution and Murder of Jews: The Summer and Fall of
  • THE TRAGEDY OF THE HOLOCAUST IN LITHUANIA: FROM THE ROOTS OF THE IDENTITY TO THE EFFORTS

TOWARDS RECONCILIATION EDITA GRUODYTĖ* AURELIJA ADOMAITYTĖ THE TRAGEDY OF THE HOLOCAUST IN LITHUANIA: FROM THE ROOTS OF THE IDENTITY TO THE EFFORTS TOWARDS RECONCILIATION EDITA GRUODYTĖ* AURELIJA ADOMAITYTĖ http://repozytorium.uni.wroc.pl/Content/131194/PDF/109_Gruodyte_E_Adomaityte_A_The_tragedy_of_the_holocaust_in_Lithuania.pdf

  • Timothy Snyder, Bloodlands

Amir Weiner https://doi.org/10.4000/monderusse.7904 Référence(s) : Timothy Snyder, Bloodlands. Europe between Hitler and Stalin. New York : Basic Books, 2010, xix + 524 p. [version française : Terres de sang. L’Europe entre Hitler et Staline, Paris : Gallimard, 2012, 712 p.] https://journals.openedition.org/monderusse/7904

  • Titre The Litvaks: A Short History of the Jews in Lithuania

Berghahn Series Auteur Dov Levin Édition illustrée Éditeur Berghahn Books, 2000 ISBN 9653080849, 9789653080843 Longueur 283 pages

  • Titre Poland's Holocaust: Ethnic Strife, Collaboration with Occupying Forces and Genocide in the Second Republic, 1918-1947

Auteur Tadeusz Piotrowski Édition illustrée Éditeur McFarland, 2007 ISBN 0786429135, 9780786429134 Longueur 451 pages https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=NBbnrEMswbUC&oi=fnd&pg=PR9&dq=lithuanian+nazi+collaboration&ots=y-bQ-klJgX&sig=T17vWY_bKQOpCuumghAPvOev4Fg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=lithuanian%20nazi%20collaboration&f=false

  • Abstract

JOURNAL ARTICLE Rehearsing for Murder: The Beginning of the Final Solution in Lithuania in June 1941 Get access Arrow Konrad Kwiet Holocaust and Genocide Studies, Volume 12, Issue 1, Spring 1998, Pages 3–26, https://doi.org/10.1093/hgs/12.1.3

  • ENTREPRENEURS OF A DIFFICULT PAST: THE ORGANISATION OF KNOWLEDGE REGIMES IN POST-SOVIET LITHUANIAN MUSEUMS

In: European Cultural Memory Post-89 Author: Eglė Rindzevičiūtė https://www.jmberlin.de/sites/default/files/antisemitism-in-europe-today_15-malinauskaite.pdf Type: Chapter Pages: 63–9 https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=gPPREAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA1910&dq=lithuanian+nazi+collaboration&ots=urbeM1-74C&sig=2JBm9V3ZKBFLDDg6V6SxrgInh90&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=lithuanian%20nazi%20collaboration&f=true

  • The Forest Brotherood: Baltic Resistance against the Nazis and Soviets

Auteur Dan Kaszeta Éditeur Hurst Publishers, 2023 ISBN 1805262432, 9781805262435 Longueur 272 pages https://books.google.ca/books?id=gPPREAAAQBAJ&dq=lithuanian+nazi+collaboration&lr=&source=gbs_navlinks_s https://doi.org/10.1163/9789401208895_005

abstract

still acceptable under currentsourcing standards

“It’s time to stop blaming each other, leave our ghettos and start talking,” he adds.


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