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Was Mr. Mandelson involved in intercepting voicemails and email messages during his time as New Labours Press Baron? Can anyone recall the names of the journalists he arranged to have sacked shortly after they filed negative copy about him? 212.139.107.102 ( talk) 18:54, 26 July 2011 (UTC)twl 212.139.107.102 ( talk) 18:54, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
So what's all this about this dude mistaking mushy peas for guacamole, and why is it not in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yugyug ( talk • contribs) 19:03, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
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This means they can effectively order your internet service provider to block access to certain websites and/or limit your internet speed
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With regards this nickname, I reference a Guardian blog on the election which shows a picture of a newspaper which the man himself has signed as 'the Dark Lord'. I'd take it that this is pretty irrefutable evidence for it's inclusion.[ [1]]
Missed this before I put it in the lede. If you read the references I cited [1] [2] [3], Mandelson is widely referred to in the press now as the Dark Lord. Indeed, he signed a newspaper as The Dark Lord earlier today while campaigning, which is what two of the references refer to. This is pretty strong grounds for inclusion. As to it's position in the article, there is nothing uncommon about a person of public interest having their nickname(s) in the opening paragraph.
It seems to me it is okay to put it in the article seeing as it is referenced, but it needs to be deftly handled. Perhaps something like, "Due to his reputation as a 'wily political operator in the shadows of Westminster', Mandelson is sometimes referred to in the press as the Prince of Darkness or the Dark Lord. He has maintained a sense of humour about the nicknames, having said after joining the House of Lords, 'I used to be the prince of darkness. But being a peer of the realm I suppose I am the dark lord.' The reference for the quote also supports being a 'wily political operator' as the reason for the nickname. In any event, the nickname should no more be in the lead than Mandy is. The end of the first paragraph of the "Member of Parliament" section might make the most sense. - Rrius ( talk) 15:45, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Prince of Darkness mandy is mentioned here but not Dark Lord. Off2riorob ( talk) 16:50, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Heres the News of the World attempting to give him two jags mandelson according to them "Angry government drivers have given Lord Mandelson the nickname after he fixed it so he has use of a pair of the flash motors". 25/10/2009 Off2riorob ( talk) 16:57, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Lord Rumba of Rio, was popular for a while. [2] Off2riorob ( talk) 17:23, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Andy Hamilton told a good story about meeting Peter Mandelson. Mandelson was telling him how all this "Lord of Darkness" stuff was rubbish, when Mandelson's phone rang. He answered it, listened for a while, and then (and you'll have imagine Hamilton's impression of Mandelson here) said "This.. must be.. suppressed." and hung up. David ( talk) 18:29, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
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The Dark Lord debate has brought into focus what has bothered me about this article for some time. Mandelson is known as an expert in the art of politics who was a key player in Blair's political successes and in holding back the coups against Brown. Instead of discussing that, the article spends quite a lot of words on the Deripaska, Mandelson's EU pension, and the copyright-law allegations. Reading this article, one would come away with this basic story: Mandelson was involved in some lefty causes as a young man, that was intermittently involved in Labour politics until the mid-1980s, and that he ran the 1987 and 1997 general election campaigns. Mandelson held various cabinet posts, but kept getting himself into ethics troubles. He then went to the EU Commission, bringing his penchant for ethical lapses with him, and squabbled with Pres. Sarkozy. Then, for no apparent reason, Mandelson returned to Cabinet, being given a life peerage, and where he was heavily involved in Cabinet business, became more popular with the Labour rank-and-file than the Deputy Leader of the party, and accumulated portfolios and status as time went on. Along the way, he managed to continued his habit of sparking controversies over his ethics.
That just does not seem like a fair summary of his life, yet I think it is a fair summary of the article. - Rrius ( talk) 16:40, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
I added to the opening "due to actions of his which were subject to intense media criticism" re his 2 cabinet resignations. What must not happen is this doesnt get mentioned in the opening. Its called whitewashing and is in clear violation of our NPOV policy. Thanks, ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 15:13, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
How scandalous is his relations to Rupert Murdoch and the telephone hacking transcripts which most probably pass through his PR desk? Its up for valid discussion, is it not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.122.39.254 ( talk) 00:19, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Why has this page repeatedly failed to give full depth to the reasons this man was forced to resign from UK Government so often, and failed to even mention his recent involvement in a failed libel action against the Daily Mail in connection with totally compromising his role as EU Commissioner by accepting hospitality from Russian billionaire? In their absence, the entire article looks suspiciously like it is being edited by someone who is in his employ. 80.42.236.65 ( talk) 02:30, 11 February 2012 (UTC)twl 80.42.236.65 ( talk) 02:30, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
The article claims that "Mandelson was able to secure close friendships within the Labour Party because of uncle Alexander Butler, who had worked alongside many important Labour politicians during the 1960s". I can find no reference to an Alexander Butler in Paul Routledge's biography of Mandelson, nor through searching on Google (except two remarks that seem to be based on a reading of this article). Can anyone provide a citation? Routledge is fairly clear that it was Mandelson's father who had close friendships with Labour people in the 60s (and Mandelson himself visited 10 Downing Street as a boy).-- 86.178.142.209 ( talk) 19:50, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Is there any evidence that such a person as Alexander Butler existed in this relation to Peter Mandelson? I feel inclined to delete, unless the statement is reposted with a citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyuey ( talk • contribs) 23:17, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
I was interested to see that it was China that approached Baron Mandelson to lead the International Monetary Fund. Could anyone please explain the connection? Thank you. 91.194.221.231 ( talk) 15:51, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
This article has a lot on how he used to be a Communist or something close to it. The question this lead me to, as a reader, is how did he turn into a New Labourite? For a Communist, that's nearly as much of an about-face as if he were to endorse Margaret Thatcher, at least if you take typical left wing rhetoric at face value. But there's little in here on how he evolved politically. It's almost as if his radical background is included merely for the sake of "opposition research". 117.199.189.97 ( talk) 14:34, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
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A small edit war is brewing over this. The Guardian gives the date as September 1979, but an IP editor insists that it was December, because he was there. The only other source I've been able to find is this, which does suggest that it was December. Given the disagreement between two reliable sources, and the relative irrelevance of the actual month, I'm therefore removing the month unless and until someone can find either further or more authoritative sources. ninety: one 12:20, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
I've just searched the article and this talk page for Anything about Mandelson's involvement in this very important (and current) topic. As far as I can see, his and Tony Blair's involvement in Post Office Horizon and Fujitsu UK has been neglected ! I am not confident in editing the main article, but I am sure it should be included. Keith T. 09:39, 14 January 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kit344 ( talk • contribs)
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Was Mr. Mandelson involved in intercepting voicemails and email messages during his time as New Labours Press Baron? Can anyone recall the names of the journalists he arranged to have sacked shortly after they filed negative copy about him? 212.139.107.102 ( talk) 18:54, 26 July 2011 (UTC)twl 212.139.107.102 ( talk) 18:54, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
So what's all this about this dude mistaking mushy peas for guacamole, and why is it not in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yugyug ( talk • contribs) 19:03, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
As the Digital Economy Bill is about to destroy our ability to post an honest Wiki page, why are you bothering to Edit it anymore?
The bill gives the government power to demand the blocking of any website Under clause 11, which can be to (a) limit the speed or other capacity of the service provided to a subscriber; (b) prevent a subscriber from using the service to gain access to particular material, or limit such use; (c) suspend the service provided to a subscriber; or (d) limits the service provided to a subscriber in another way.
This means they can effectively order your internet service provider to block access to certain websites and/or limit your internet speed
You think its' about stopping illegal internet downloads? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.69.57.214 ( talk) 01:09, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I'll start to worry when someone explains VPNs to the politicians... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.37.17 ( talk) 02:27, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
With regards this nickname, I reference a Guardian blog on the election which shows a picture of a newspaper which the man himself has signed as 'the Dark Lord'. I'd take it that this is pretty irrefutable evidence for it's inclusion.[ [1]]
Missed this before I put it in the lede. If you read the references I cited [1] [2] [3], Mandelson is widely referred to in the press now as the Dark Lord. Indeed, he signed a newspaper as The Dark Lord earlier today while campaigning, which is what two of the references refer to. This is pretty strong grounds for inclusion. As to it's position in the article, there is nothing uncommon about a person of public interest having their nickname(s) in the opening paragraph.
It seems to me it is okay to put it in the article seeing as it is referenced, but it needs to be deftly handled. Perhaps something like, "Due to his reputation as a 'wily political operator in the shadows of Westminster', Mandelson is sometimes referred to in the press as the Prince of Darkness or the Dark Lord. He has maintained a sense of humour about the nicknames, having said after joining the House of Lords, 'I used to be the prince of darkness. But being a peer of the realm I suppose I am the dark lord.' The reference for the quote also supports being a 'wily political operator' as the reason for the nickname. In any event, the nickname should no more be in the lead than Mandy is. The end of the first paragraph of the "Member of Parliament" section might make the most sense. - Rrius ( talk) 15:45, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Prince of Darkness mandy is mentioned here but not Dark Lord. Off2riorob ( talk) 16:50, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Heres the News of the World attempting to give him two jags mandelson according to them "Angry government drivers have given Lord Mandelson the nickname after he fixed it so he has use of a pair of the flash motors". 25/10/2009 Off2riorob ( talk) 16:57, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Lord Rumba of Rio, was popular for a while. [2] Off2riorob ( talk) 17:23, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Andy Hamilton told a good story about meeting Peter Mandelson. Mandelson was telling him how all this "Lord of Darkness" stuff was rubbish, when Mandelson's phone rang. He answered it, listened for a while, and then (and you'll have imagine Hamilton's impression of Mandelson here) said "This.. must be.. suppressed." and hung up. David ( talk) 18:29, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
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The Dark Lord debate has brought into focus what has bothered me about this article for some time. Mandelson is known as an expert in the art of politics who was a key player in Blair's political successes and in holding back the coups against Brown. Instead of discussing that, the article spends quite a lot of words on the Deripaska, Mandelson's EU pension, and the copyright-law allegations. Reading this article, one would come away with this basic story: Mandelson was involved in some lefty causes as a young man, that was intermittently involved in Labour politics until the mid-1980s, and that he ran the 1987 and 1997 general election campaigns. Mandelson held various cabinet posts, but kept getting himself into ethics troubles. He then went to the EU Commission, bringing his penchant for ethical lapses with him, and squabbled with Pres. Sarkozy. Then, for no apparent reason, Mandelson returned to Cabinet, being given a life peerage, and where he was heavily involved in Cabinet business, became more popular with the Labour rank-and-file than the Deputy Leader of the party, and accumulated portfolios and status as time went on. Along the way, he managed to continued his habit of sparking controversies over his ethics.
That just does not seem like a fair summary of his life, yet I think it is a fair summary of the article. - Rrius ( talk) 16:40, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
I added to the opening "due to actions of his which were subject to intense media criticism" re his 2 cabinet resignations. What must not happen is this doesnt get mentioned in the opening. Its called whitewashing and is in clear violation of our NPOV policy. Thanks, ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 15:13, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
How scandalous is his relations to Rupert Murdoch and the telephone hacking transcripts which most probably pass through his PR desk? Its up for valid discussion, is it not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.122.39.254 ( talk) 00:19, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Why has this page repeatedly failed to give full depth to the reasons this man was forced to resign from UK Government so often, and failed to even mention his recent involvement in a failed libel action against the Daily Mail in connection with totally compromising his role as EU Commissioner by accepting hospitality from Russian billionaire? In their absence, the entire article looks suspiciously like it is being edited by someone who is in his employ. 80.42.236.65 ( talk) 02:30, 11 February 2012 (UTC)twl 80.42.236.65 ( talk) 02:30, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
The article claims that "Mandelson was able to secure close friendships within the Labour Party because of uncle Alexander Butler, who had worked alongside many important Labour politicians during the 1960s". I can find no reference to an Alexander Butler in Paul Routledge's biography of Mandelson, nor through searching on Google (except two remarks that seem to be based on a reading of this article). Can anyone provide a citation? Routledge is fairly clear that it was Mandelson's father who had close friendships with Labour people in the 60s (and Mandelson himself visited 10 Downing Street as a boy).-- 86.178.142.209 ( talk) 19:50, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Is there any evidence that such a person as Alexander Butler existed in this relation to Peter Mandelson? I feel inclined to delete, unless the statement is reposted with a citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyuey ( talk • contribs) 23:17, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
I was interested to see that it was China that approached Baron Mandelson to lead the International Monetary Fund. Could anyone please explain the connection? Thank you. 91.194.221.231 ( talk) 15:51, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
This article has a lot on how he used to be a Communist or something close to it. The question this lead me to, as a reader, is how did he turn into a New Labourite? For a Communist, that's nearly as much of an about-face as if he were to endorse Margaret Thatcher, at least if you take typical left wing rhetoric at face value. But there's little in here on how he evolved politically. It's almost as if his radical background is included merely for the sake of "opposition research". 117.199.189.97 ( talk) 14:34, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
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A small edit war is brewing over this. The Guardian gives the date as September 1979, but an IP editor insists that it was December, because he was there. The only other source I've been able to find is this, which does suggest that it was December. Given the disagreement between two reliable sources, and the relative irrelevance of the actual month, I'm therefore removing the month unless and until someone can find either further or more authoritative sources. ninety: one 12:20, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
I've just searched the article and this talk page for Anything about Mandelson's involvement in this very important (and current) topic. As far as I can see, his and Tony Blair's involvement in Post Office Horizon and Fujitsu UK has been neglected ! I am not confident in editing the main article, but I am sure it should be included. Keith T. 09:39, 14 January 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kit344 ( talk • contribs)