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Hey, Romanm, you are right! Another thing, I deleted the 'Serbo-Croatian' for the words PRAVO and PRAVDA, they are more or less present everywhere!
Piorun?
Would that be the same god as Piorun? If so, this should probably be mentioned in this article, and the later should be redirected here. -- Romanm 00:12, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I moved the attention tag from the main page to the talk page. gK ¿? 04:52, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I removed the last two references
It is apparent that
Yes, your plagiarizm and your lies. Here is a proof where the rest of yours 'originality' comes from:
http://www.abitabouteverything.com/files/s/sl/slavic_mythology.html
Original:
A possible exception is perhaps a short note in Herodotus’ Histories, mentioning a tribe of Neuri in the far north, whose men, Herodotus claims, transform themselves into wolves for several days each year.
The first definitive reference to the Slavs and their mythology in written history was made by the 6th century Byzantine historian Procopius, whose Bellum Gothicum described the beliefs of a certain Southern Slavic tribe who crossed the Danube river heading south in just two days. According to Procopius, these Slavs worshipped a single god, lord of all, who crafted lightning and thunder; though the historian does not mention the name of god explicitly, it is clear from his description that it was Perun. He also mentions the belief in various demons and nymphs (i.e., vilas), but does not mention any other names.
Yours plagiarism looks like:
Of all historic records describing Slavic gods, those mentioning Perun are the most numerous. As early as 6th century,he was mentioned in De Bellum Gothicum, a historical source written by Byzantine historian Procopius. A short note describing beliefs of a certain South Slavic tribe states they acknowledge that one god, creator of lightning, is the only lord of all: to him do they sacrifice an ox and all sacrifical animals. While the name of the god is not mentioned here explicitly, the fact that word Perun in a number of Slavic languages today simply means "thunder" or "lightning bolt" is proof enough this was a reference of him.
All the rest of your 'knowledge' comes from the above reference. All what you did - reshuffled words on wrong way and damaged the original text that way greatly.
Aren't you ashamed now? This way you compromised the integrity and trustworthiness of Wikipedia and broke the basic etic norms of its editorial policy. I am going to mark your 'contribution' as pure plagiarism and request an administrator to block your access to the English version of Wikipedia.
Hello, I was asked to protect this page by Matt Parlow, though I see there is a dispute I think there is no real need to protect the article. Though there was an edit war here before, this hasn't happened for a week - so there is nothing to protect, unless a new one erupts. Protection is meant as a temporary stop to ongoing edit wars so that a discussion can go on in a more civil way, nothing to support either side of an argument. (And I'm not actually an administrator - so either way I can't protect it). I haven't been involved with this article previously, so I will throw in my thoughts here in the hope that they will help resolve something. So here is what I see here:
I think the sources should be kept and I don't see any reason for the warning on top of the article.
Also, some of the the language being used on this talk page is slipping too much into personal attacks. I suggest assuming more good faith from other editors.-- Konstable 05:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
The song about golden apple, is typical example of Serbian epic poetry. Language, style, and structure are exactly as they are in Serbian epic songs. The song is written in "десетерац" which means that each line has exactly ten syllables. And btw there are no Bosnian folk songs that are treating this kind of theme. Uross 16:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I move a section which appears problematic here:
The primary chronicle was written in the 12th century, and instead of "Slavic overlords", it talks of Norsemen called Karl, Farulf, Vermund, Hrollaf, and Steinvith. This source (url removed) notes that Perun was presumably a translation of a Norse god from the Greek original. Most likely the Greek original used the name of a Greek god in that place, see Interpretatio graeca. Since the removed section is completely unreferenced, and I find it a bit off-topic to discuss the custom of Interpretatio graeca, I think the text should be removed until a working non-OR suggestion is provided for how to treat it in the article.-- Berig ( talk) 14:44, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
"Jedna gađa dva djevera mlada, Druga gađa pašu na dorinu, Treća gađa svata šest stotina, Ne uteče oka za svjedoka, Ni da kaže, kako pogiboše"
This is certainly not a Croatian folk song! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.245.111.142 ( talk) 01:27, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
An occult nonsense. There is no proof that it meant an "oak" if some celtic or germanic or italic "lignuists" understand the name through their own language.
I was sure I'd already find references to Perun's inclusion in the comic book series Supergod, but seeing as this hasn't been done, it should be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.255.175.17 ( talk) 18:56, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Is Perun synonymous with Perkwunos (Lithuanian: Perkūnas), the god of thunder and oak trees to the ancient Baltic peoples, including the now-extinct Old Prussians? Sca ( talk) 14:34, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
There is a banned IP editor making nonsensical edits concerning Perun and articles about early European history and language. Please report such activity to WP:ANI with reference to WP:PERUNBAN. Sandstein 21:17, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
See https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/perun%D1%8A
Let us use these here.
Zezen ( talk) 11:17, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
It is very interesting that the Varangian rulers in Slavic areas are reported to have worshiped Perun ( Thor) and Veles ( Freyr?). Pre-Christian cultures translated the names of the gods into the corresponding names of other cultures and languages, as in Interpretatio graeca and Interpretatio germanica. Maybe there should be an article named Interpretatio slavica?-- Berig ( talk) 16:28, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
This is unexplained here, and I was unable to find a reliable source. Peter Flass ( talk) 01:03, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
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Hey, Romanm, you are right! Another thing, I deleted the 'Serbo-Croatian' for the words PRAVO and PRAVDA, they are more or less present everywhere!
Piorun?
Would that be the same god as Piorun? If so, this should probably be mentioned in this article, and the later should be redirected here. -- Romanm 00:12, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I moved the attention tag from the main page to the talk page. gK ¿? 04:52, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I removed the last two references
It is apparent that
Yes, your plagiarizm and your lies. Here is a proof where the rest of yours 'originality' comes from:
http://www.abitabouteverything.com/files/s/sl/slavic_mythology.html
Original:
A possible exception is perhaps a short note in Herodotus’ Histories, mentioning a tribe of Neuri in the far north, whose men, Herodotus claims, transform themselves into wolves for several days each year.
The first definitive reference to the Slavs and their mythology in written history was made by the 6th century Byzantine historian Procopius, whose Bellum Gothicum described the beliefs of a certain Southern Slavic tribe who crossed the Danube river heading south in just two days. According to Procopius, these Slavs worshipped a single god, lord of all, who crafted lightning and thunder; though the historian does not mention the name of god explicitly, it is clear from his description that it was Perun. He also mentions the belief in various demons and nymphs (i.e., vilas), but does not mention any other names.
Yours plagiarism looks like:
Of all historic records describing Slavic gods, those mentioning Perun are the most numerous. As early as 6th century,he was mentioned in De Bellum Gothicum, a historical source written by Byzantine historian Procopius. A short note describing beliefs of a certain South Slavic tribe states they acknowledge that one god, creator of lightning, is the only lord of all: to him do they sacrifice an ox and all sacrifical animals. While the name of the god is not mentioned here explicitly, the fact that word Perun in a number of Slavic languages today simply means "thunder" or "lightning bolt" is proof enough this was a reference of him.
All the rest of your 'knowledge' comes from the above reference. All what you did - reshuffled words on wrong way and damaged the original text that way greatly.
Aren't you ashamed now? This way you compromised the integrity and trustworthiness of Wikipedia and broke the basic etic norms of its editorial policy. I am going to mark your 'contribution' as pure plagiarism and request an administrator to block your access to the English version of Wikipedia.
Hello, I was asked to protect this page by Matt Parlow, though I see there is a dispute I think there is no real need to protect the article. Though there was an edit war here before, this hasn't happened for a week - so there is nothing to protect, unless a new one erupts. Protection is meant as a temporary stop to ongoing edit wars so that a discussion can go on in a more civil way, nothing to support either side of an argument. (And I'm not actually an administrator - so either way I can't protect it). I haven't been involved with this article previously, so I will throw in my thoughts here in the hope that they will help resolve something. So here is what I see here:
I think the sources should be kept and I don't see any reason for the warning on top of the article.
Also, some of the the language being used on this talk page is slipping too much into personal attacks. I suggest assuming more good faith from other editors.-- Konstable 05:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
The song about golden apple, is typical example of Serbian epic poetry. Language, style, and structure are exactly as they are in Serbian epic songs. The song is written in "десетерац" which means that each line has exactly ten syllables. And btw there are no Bosnian folk songs that are treating this kind of theme. Uross 16:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I move a section which appears problematic here:
The primary chronicle was written in the 12th century, and instead of "Slavic overlords", it talks of Norsemen called Karl, Farulf, Vermund, Hrollaf, and Steinvith. This source (url removed) notes that Perun was presumably a translation of a Norse god from the Greek original. Most likely the Greek original used the name of a Greek god in that place, see Interpretatio graeca. Since the removed section is completely unreferenced, and I find it a bit off-topic to discuss the custom of Interpretatio graeca, I think the text should be removed until a working non-OR suggestion is provided for how to treat it in the article.-- Berig ( talk) 14:44, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
"Jedna gađa dva djevera mlada, Druga gađa pašu na dorinu, Treća gađa svata šest stotina, Ne uteče oka za svjedoka, Ni da kaže, kako pogiboše"
This is certainly not a Croatian folk song! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.245.111.142 ( talk) 01:27, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
An occult nonsense. There is no proof that it meant an "oak" if some celtic or germanic or italic "lignuists" understand the name through their own language.
I was sure I'd already find references to Perun's inclusion in the comic book series Supergod, but seeing as this hasn't been done, it should be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.255.175.17 ( talk) 18:56, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Is Perun synonymous with Perkwunos (Lithuanian: Perkūnas), the god of thunder and oak trees to the ancient Baltic peoples, including the now-extinct Old Prussians? Sca ( talk) 14:34, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
There is a banned IP editor making nonsensical edits concerning Perun and articles about early European history and language. Please report such activity to WP:ANI with reference to WP:PERUNBAN. Sandstein 21:17, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
See https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/perun%D1%8A
Let us use these here.
Zezen ( talk) 11:17, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
It is very interesting that the Varangian rulers in Slavic areas are reported to have worshiped Perun ( Thor) and Veles ( Freyr?). Pre-Christian cultures translated the names of the gods into the corresponding names of other cultures and languages, as in Interpretatio graeca and Interpretatio germanica. Maybe there should be an article named Interpretatio slavica?-- Berig ( talk) 16:28, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
This is unexplained here, and I was unable to find a reliable source. Peter Flass ( talk) 01:03, 18 August 2022 (UTC)