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T"he original Avesta dates back to 1400 - 1200 BCE, and was kept in Istakhr until Alexander of Macedon destroyed it." I think I know what city is being referred to under this mysterious name! Wetman 07:57, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
"Unlike many other mythologies, Persian mythology has only 2 main gods: Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu." my problem with this is that persian mythology dates far back, before the advent of zoroastrianism in the culture.
It has been suggested to merge Persian mythology page with Iranian folklore.That's wrong... the contemporary Iranian folklore or games or folklore medical beliefs are sure different with mythology!-- Alborz Fallah ( talk) 14:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
This is ridiculous.The editors who add unsourced material like that do not belong at Wikipedia. They blatantly ignore WP:V and WP:OR. I suspect that not a single sentence in that article has a source that supports the claim the sentence makes (i.e. a source that says it is folklore).-- Agha Nader ( talk) 17:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)Churchill used for any mischievous person
(←dent) Let's all calm down here, please. While I am thinking that the information that Agha Nader is calling into question does in fact need more solid sourcing, I think that Nader could express his frustration more politely. the main policy here at Wikipedia is to address the edit, not the editor. To do any less is to invite recrimination and bad feelings, both of which are not conducive to friendly and professional editing. It's a new year. Let's try to approach these situations anew, and give our fellow editor the same level of politeness that we ourselves would appreciate having.
Alborz Fallah, I agree that finding contemporaneous (read: new) references for folklore is going to be difficult, especially in an a culturally non-permissive environment like Iran. You might find it helpful to scan entertainment magazines and the like, or books of children's collections. With the titles of these stories, you can search anew with their titles, to see if any scholarly research has been done on their origins or influences on folklore and mythology. -
Arcayne
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14:57, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
They are not the same but there could be overlaps. Just like there is an overlap between Physics and Mathematics. So the merge tag should be removed. Encyclopedia Iranica has two different articles devoted to each topic. Greek mythology and Greek folklore are not the same. The merge tag should be removed. -- alidoostzadeh ( talk) 18:10, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Shahnama is an epic (حماسه), not a mythological narration. A mythology deals with the story of the creation, explaining different phenomena like catastrophes, day cycle, constellations, reasons for sins and good deeds, death and life and afterlife and evilness or purity of objects. These things are mostly found in pre-Islamic texts such as Bundahishn, Yasna, Denkart, ... so stop inserting parts of Shahnama in this article. This is just ridiculous. And there is no "Persian Mythology" because Persians did not have an independent mythology, but they followed the Iranian Mythology which was the same for the Medes and the other Iranian people. There is no such thing as Persian mythology (اسطورههای پارسی). What you mean is Perhaps Iranian Mythology ( اسطورههای ایرانی ) ? Exactly because: 1) They are not confined to the Persians. Many of the Ancient Iranian people living in the Iranian Plateau believed in it, like Medes, Sogdians or the eastern Iranian People of the Avestan era. 2) They are for the most part not compiled in the Persian language. The main sources of Iranian mythology today are written in Avestan. There are of course commentaries in the Pahlavi language but they are just that, "commentaries".
حضرت محمود ( talk) 19:53, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
You bunch of hypocrites!!! You keep playing with words for your political gains! Avestan language was the language in Aryana, Ancient Afghanistan. If you check the Avestan Geography, you will see that all the 16 cities mentionned in Avestan ancient texts are now located in Afghanistan. Also, Ferdowsi was born in Tus, a city of the Afghan Samanid empire from Balkh, and he grew up in Ghaznavid empire, an Afghan empire with its capital in Ghazni. Ferdowsi was financed and paid by the Afghan king Mohmud of Ghazni. The latter told Ferdowsi to create shanameh so he will gain the sympathy of HIS Iranian subjects (Iranian as Iranian people, meaning Tajiks, Pashtos and Baluchs who were the main people of the Ghaznavid empire). They did not even care about you IRAN, since the east of it was a province of Afghanistan and the West of it was controlled by Arabs. --Kasparov49acer 20:51, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Brief, your so called "Persian mythology" comes from Avestan, Zoroastrian, Ghaznavid empire, which are all located in today's AFGHANISTAN. How do you then link the page of persian mythiology to IRAN??? Because some ignorant white guy centuries ago called IRAN and PERSIA interchangeably, so you bunch of hypocrites want to build the whole history of your nation on those lies and misunderstandings??? You keep refering to some dumb guy who called Iran as Persia and Persia as Iran, and you link this to millennia of mythology that comes from Afghanistan??? Do you idiots know Avestan Geography??? Get some education, you morons, instead of building your history on lies and misunderstandings!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamaweiss ( talk • contribs) 20:57, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Much better !!!--Kasparov49acer 02:06, 25 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamaweiss ( talk • contribs)
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T"he original Avesta dates back to 1400 - 1200 BCE, and was kept in Istakhr until Alexander of Macedon destroyed it." I think I know what city is being referred to under this mysterious name! Wetman 07:57, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
"Unlike many other mythologies, Persian mythology has only 2 main gods: Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu." my problem with this is that persian mythology dates far back, before the advent of zoroastrianism in the culture.
It has been suggested to merge Persian mythology page with Iranian folklore.That's wrong... the contemporary Iranian folklore or games or folklore medical beliefs are sure different with mythology!-- Alborz Fallah ( talk) 14:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
This is ridiculous.The editors who add unsourced material like that do not belong at Wikipedia. They blatantly ignore WP:V and WP:OR. I suspect that not a single sentence in that article has a source that supports the claim the sentence makes (i.e. a source that says it is folklore).-- Agha Nader ( talk) 17:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)Churchill used for any mischievous person
(←dent) Let's all calm down here, please. While I am thinking that the information that Agha Nader is calling into question does in fact need more solid sourcing, I think that Nader could express his frustration more politely. the main policy here at Wikipedia is to address the edit, not the editor. To do any less is to invite recrimination and bad feelings, both of which are not conducive to friendly and professional editing. It's a new year. Let's try to approach these situations anew, and give our fellow editor the same level of politeness that we ourselves would appreciate having.
Alborz Fallah, I agree that finding contemporaneous (read: new) references for folklore is going to be difficult, especially in an a culturally non-permissive environment like Iran. You might find it helpful to scan entertainment magazines and the like, or books of children's collections. With the titles of these stories, you can search anew with their titles, to see if any scholarly research has been done on their origins or influences on folklore and mythology. -
Arcayne
(cast a spell)
14:57, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
They are not the same but there could be overlaps. Just like there is an overlap between Physics and Mathematics. So the merge tag should be removed. Encyclopedia Iranica has two different articles devoted to each topic. Greek mythology and Greek folklore are not the same. The merge tag should be removed. -- alidoostzadeh ( talk) 18:10, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Shahnama is an epic (حماسه), not a mythological narration. A mythology deals with the story of the creation, explaining different phenomena like catastrophes, day cycle, constellations, reasons for sins and good deeds, death and life and afterlife and evilness or purity of objects. These things are mostly found in pre-Islamic texts such as Bundahishn, Yasna, Denkart, ... so stop inserting parts of Shahnama in this article. This is just ridiculous. And there is no "Persian Mythology" because Persians did not have an independent mythology, but they followed the Iranian Mythology which was the same for the Medes and the other Iranian people. There is no such thing as Persian mythology (اسطورههای پارسی). What you mean is Perhaps Iranian Mythology ( اسطورههای ایرانی ) ? Exactly because: 1) They are not confined to the Persians. Many of the Ancient Iranian people living in the Iranian Plateau believed in it, like Medes, Sogdians or the eastern Iranian People of the Avestan era. 2) They are for the most part not compiled in the Persian language. The main sources of Iranian mythology today are written in Avestan. There are of course commentaries in the Pahlavi language but they are just that, "commentaries".
حضرت محمود ( talk) 19:53, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
You bunch of hypocrites!!! You keep playing with words for your political gains! Avestan language was the language in Aryana, Ancient Afghanistan. If you check the Avestan Geography, you will see that all the 16 cities mentionned in Avestan ancient texts are now located in Afghanistan. Also, Ferdowsi was born in Tus, a city of the Afghan Samanid empire from Balkh, and he grew up in Ghaznavid empire, an Afghan empire with its capital in Ghazni. Ferdowsi was financed and paid by the Afghan king Mohmud of Ghazni. The latter told Ferdowsi to create shanameh so he will gain the sympathy of HIS Iranian subjects (Iranian as Iranian people, meaning Tajiks, Pashtos and Baluchs who were the main people of the Ghaznavid empire). They did not even care about you IRAN, since the east of it was a province of Afghanistan and the West of it was controlled by Arabs. --Kasparov49acer 20:51, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Brief, your so called "Persian mythology" comes from Avestan, Zoroastrian, Ghaznavid empire, which are all located in today's AFGHANISTAN. How do you then link the page of persian mythiology to IRAN??? Because some ignorant white guy centuries ago called IRAN and PERSIA interchangeably, so you bunch of hypocrites want to build the whole history of your nation on those lies and misunderstandings??? You keep refering to some dumb guy who called Iran as Persia and Persia as Iran, and you link this to millennia of mythology that comes from Afghanistan??? Do you idiots know Avestan Geography??? Get some education, you morons, instead of building your history on lies and misunderstandings!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamaweiss ( talk • contribs) 20:57, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Much better !!!--Kasparov49acer 02:06, 25 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamaweiss ( talk • contribs)
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