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after all, if it is not immediate.
Dear everyone who may read this, I am calling for attention here because I sense more than a number of issues here. I'm wondering if you care or consider solutions to the issues with the page here.
I see, this page is reaching a low level of importance because of nobody really extend the text or make actual positive edits, in turn we usually witness vandalism - and even worse when some editors quickly reduce the text without bothering to really edit. Do we want to keep this article with less importance and weak structure? I guess NO! You can tell others about it through any WIKI Guidelines you may want to, but I want to seriously warn everyone that it is becoming very useless an non-creative, outdated and plain without active participation, not what I call active-moderation anarchy. I want to quickly remind everyone about the difficult process that these artists have been through, with truly scarce platforms to publish and magazines and promoters to help them get exposure; the citations and few references to some press are the slight reminders of this -now- not small history.
As a producer (Jazz, Electronic-music) I no more provide promotions for the artists through the past years, but I'm a skilled professional in the fields that are fundamental to it, including literature, music, audio engineering and history, and I can seriously spread these news (as our demands and concerns) among our circles and communities because I had a few of bad-experiences while expanding the text and trying to put parts of its history together, (a year ago) and never had the time to scratch my head and login back here. Of course I will also ask our colleagues who are art-historians to be a help on the long run. It is not nice when we have to both try to help people who are systematically unrepresented and speak about those who now have an exposure at the same time. For the things you may know and have seen as first-handed, and also those which are promoted and known to the public these days, there is more than one thing wrong here.
Now I want to ask everyone to help with this issue because you know, this is wasting a lot of my (our) time and energy. Here is the body of text that I added - and the user Rye-96 have kindly make an undo with a thanks message... I have just written him another message and I'm trying to open up here, too.
I tried and provided enough resources and material, if I had to bring them from the internet-archive. I want everyone to read it carefully here and see if together we can decide over it. I have also mentioned both here on a reply to a 2013 message from an unsigned user and in details in Rye-96 's profile, I'm writing here prior to report it to the moderators here specially if they really care about a more dynamic and inclusive wiki.
Now let's take a look at the article itself to see how we can bring harm to wiki by removing essential material from its pages, Do we feel responsible about it? Greetings, Soso freak ( talk) 21:22, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
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Although I don't claim to have much knowledge about Iranian hip hop, I have taken the liberty to change the article quite a bit. This will never become a decent article as long as it is just a long list of "notable" Iranian rappers. For months now, the bulk of edits to the article are the addition or removal of names from that list and no effort whatsoever has been driven towards an encyclopedic treatment of the subject. So I've removed the external links section (see WP:EL for guidelines on the subject), dug up one reference (not that good but at least it's a positive example), cleaned up the intro and removed the list of notable artists. I think it would also do the article a lot of good if people started separating rap in Iran from rap in the Iranian diaspora. Pascal.Tesson 02:02, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
im gonna edit this whole thing make it good perfect with section for history, beefs, current development, Controversies
it will ROCXK!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.241.29 ( talk) 10:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't know who wrote this in general but this isn't what it should be. i don't see anything about Yas or tohi but i see A2 or daad which are not known for 99% of the people. let me say this I am a big fan and a close friend of Yas and I know what he is doin' for persian rap, making clips with gobi (tupacs director) and signing contract with mediba production and singing songs with great american rappers is something we should appreciate so let make this page great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meelod ( talk • contribs) 13:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
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Dear wikipedians,
I am wondering, are all these examples of Iranian rappers needed as listed now? There is already a separate Wikipedia page with a list of Iranian rappers. Maybe it would be more clear to incorporate those examples in the text. I am currently editing the page and will incorporate the examples in different headers. If you think in addition it will still need the examples listed as they were, please let me know. The page will need more structure anyways, and I believe the text could flow better.
- User: Luvbwiki ~~~~~ Luvbwiki ( talk) 14:36, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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Should the following section be added to the new subheader themes? Please review my edits in this new subheader.
In Tehran there is a rivalry and tension ongoing between East Tehran and West Tehran rappers. This rivalry is influenced by their economic and social status. Many rappers from East Tehran belong to lower middle class or lower class, which is why they tend to make hip hop as a social and political commentary. They discuss topics like poverty and economic and social discrimination. Rappers from West Tehran often cover topics like parties, and lifestyles associated with a high socio-economic status. Rappers from East Tehran look down upon the rappers from the West part of the city.
Source: Golpushnezhad, Elham (2018).
"Untold Stories of DIY/Underground Iranian Rap Culture: The Legitimization of Iranian Hip-Hop and the Loss of Radical Potential". Cultural Sociology. 12 (2): 260–275.
doi:
10.1177/1749975518769001
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after all, if it is not immediate.
Dear everyone who may read this, I am calling for attention here because I sense more than a number of issues here. I'm wondering if you care or consider solutions to the issues with the page here.
I see, this page is reaching a low level of importance because of nobody really extend the text or make actual positive edits, in turn we usually witness vandalism - and even worse when some editors quickly reduce the text without bothering to really edit. Do we want to keep this article with less importance and weak structure? I guess NO! You can tell others about it through any WIKI Guidelines you may want to, but I want to seriously warn everyone that it is becoming very useless an non-creative, outdated and plain without active participation, not what I call active-moderation anarchy. I want to quickly remind everyone about the difficult process that these artists have been through, with truly scarce platforms to publish and magazines and promoters to help them get exposure; the citations and few references to some press are the slight reminders of this -now- not small history.
As a producer (Jazz, Electronic-music) I no more provide promotions for the artists through the past years, but I'm a skilled professional in the fields that are fundamental to it, including literature, music, audio engineering and history, and I can seriously spread these news (as our demands and concerns) among our circles and communities because I had a few of bad-experiences while expanding the text and trying to put parts of its history together, (a year ago) and never had the time to scratch my head and login back here. Of course I will also ask our colleagues who are art-historians to be a help on the long run. It is not nice when we have to both try to help people who are systematically unrepresented and speak about those who now have an exposure at the same time. For the things you may know and have seen as first-handed, and also those which are promoted and known to the public these days, there is more than one thing wrong here.
Now I want to ask everyone to help with this issue because you know, this is wasting a lot of my (our) time and energy. Here is the body of text that I added - and the user Rye-96 have kindly make an undo with a thanks message... I have just written him another message and I'm trying to open up here, too.
I tried and provided enough resources and material, if I had to bring them from the internet-archive. I want everyone to read it carefully here and see if together we can decide over it. I have also mentioned both here on a reply to a 2013 message from an unsigned user and in details in Rye-96 's profile, I'm writing here prior to report it to the moderators here specially if they really care about a more dynamic and inclusive wiki.
Now let's take a look at the article itself to see how we can bring harm to wiki by removing essential material from its pages, Do we feel responsible about it? Greetings, Soso freak ( talk) 21:22, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
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help page).{{
cite web}}
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cite web}}
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ignored (|url-status=
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hamshahri
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Why does the first paragraph discuss rap in general? This is unneccesary and irrelevant for the introductory paragraph. If there are no objections, I am going to remove all the superfluous information and format the intro paragraph to look similar to that of the Arabic hip hop page. Arspickles17 20:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Although I don't claim to have much knowledge about Iranian hip hop, I have taken the liberty to change the article quite a bit. This will never become a decent article as long as it is just a long list of "notable" Iranian rappers. For months now, the bulk of edits to the article are the addition or removal of names from that list and no effort whatsoever has been driven towards an encyclopedic treatment of the subject. So I've removed the external links section (see WP:EL for guidelines on the subject), dug up one reference (not that good but at least it's a positive example), cleaned up the intro and removed the list of notable artists. I think it would also do the article a lot of good if people started separating rap in Iran from rap in the Iranian diaspora. Pascal.Tesson 02:02, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
im gonna edit this whole thing make it good perfect with section for history, beefs, current development, Controversies
it will ROCXK!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.241.29 ( talk) 10:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't know who wrote this in general but this isn't what it should be. i don't see anything about Yas or tohi but i see A2 or daad which are not known for 99% of the people. let me say this I am a big fan and a close friend of Yas and I know what he is doin' for persian rap, making clips with gobi (tupacs director) and signing contract with mediba production and singing songs with great american rappers is something we should appreciate so let make this page great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meelod ( talk • contribs) 13:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
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Hi, I removed the template regarding needing references/inlign citation that was on the face of the article because as of today (8/18/14) this article has more than 20 references and shows clear inlign citation. The date on the old template was from 01/2012, since this has clearly been updated it seemed irrelevant, if anyone disagrees please feel free to discuss here. Jooojay ( talk) 17:20, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
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Dear wikipedians,
I am wondering, are all these examples of Iranian rappers needed as listed now? There is already a separate Wikipedia page with a list of Iranian rappers. Maybe it would be more clear to incorporate those examples in the text. I am currently editing the page and will incorporate the examples in different headers. If you think in addition it will still need the examples listed as they were, please let me know. The page will need more structure anyways, and I believe the text could flow better.
- User: Luvbwiki ~~~~~ Luvbwiki ( talk) 14:36, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedians,
Should the following section be added to the new subheader themes? Please review my edits in this new subheader.
In Tehran there is a rivalry and tension ongoing between East Tehran and West Tehran rappers. This rivalry is influenced by their economic and social status. Many rappers from East Tehran belong to lower middle class or lower class, which is why they tend to make hip hop as a social and political commentary. They discuss topics like poverty and economic and social discrimination. Rappers from West Tehran often cover topics like parties, and lifestyles associated with a high socio-economic status. Rappers from East Tehran look down upon the rappers from the West part of the city.
Source: Golpushnezhad, Elham (2018).
"Untold Stories of DIY/Underground Iranian Rap Culture: The Legitimization of Iranian Hip-Hop and the Loss of Radical Potential". Cultural Sociology. 12 (2): 260–275.
doi:
10.1177/1749975518769001
-
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talk)
17:34, 14 May 2023 (UTC)