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The United Nations Group of Experts on Geographical Names discussed the naming issue during its 23rd session, held in Vienna from 28 March to 4 April 2006. According to the report of the meeting, "It is interesting that from among 6000 existing historical maps published up to 1890, there are only three maps mentioning the names of Basreh Gulf, Ghatif Gulf, and Arabic Gulf, in addition to which the name of small gulfs located at the coast with local utilization can be also named such as Chah Bahar Gulf, Siraf Gulf, Basreh Gulf, Ghatif Gulf, Bahrain Gulf,…. but such names are not applied to the entirety of the Persian Gulf. It is obvious that the promotional use by the Arabs of the three aforementioned maps, whose identity and originality are not clear, in comparison with 6000 maps and more than 200 historical and tourism books from Irastus to Herodotus to Estakhri and Ibn Houghal, who have all called the water body, Persian Gulf, shall lack any value."
The report further notes that "any change, destruction, or alteration of the names registered in historical deeds and maps is like the destruction of ancient works and is considered as an improper action. Therefore, the names of geographical features profiting from a unique historical identity, should not be utilized as political instruments in reaching a political, tribal, and racial objective, or in any clash with national interests and other's values," and finally concludes "...it is worth mentioning that the name of Persian Gulf has been admitted in all the live languages of the world so far and all the countries throughout the world, name this Iranian Sea, just in the language of the people: Persian Gulf. Even Arab brothers do not need to alter a historical name to have a gulf of their own, because there had been a gulf in their own name previously mentioned in the historical and geographical works and drawings, which is called at present the Red Sea (Bahr Ahmar).
I have notes about these paragraphs:
106. An expert from the Asia South-West Division (other than Arabic) summarized working paper No. 61, which outlined the history of the name Persian Gulf. The Convenor recognized the careful historical content of the paper and noted that countries could not be prohibited from using or creating exonyms.
So Working Group on Exonyms, Iran prepared the working paper and someone read the its summary on the meeting there were not any discussing the naming issue
حبيشان ( talk) 20:24, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
This article contains an extraordinarily large gallery of very repetitive maps> I'm going to clean it up per WP:GALLERY. It's just a WP:CITEBOMB at the moment Unbh ( talk) 09:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
The Arab states of the Persian Gulf comprises seven Arab countries, the six GCC states and Iraq. The first paragraph in the ‘Arabs opinion’ section cites an opinion piece article to support the claim that some Arab states prefer the title ‘Arabian Gulf’ (although I think the citation is irrelevant and weak). Personally from what I gather by the “conservative Arab states” it’s in reference of the GCC that the article heavily focuses on. Hope other editors weigh in on this though. 37.37.142.24 ( talk) 16:54, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
References
I sometimes look at this article out of curiosity. I see that it currently says, "According to authors Philip L. Kohl, Mara Kozelsky, and Nachman Ben-Yehuda in their work Selective Remembrances, Sir Charles Belgrave (British adviser to the ruler of Bahrain) was "the first westerner to use and advocate the name 'Arabian gulf', [...]". Some idle searching today led me to a use of the term "Arabian gulf" in
The New Learned History. 1923. p.
6005. [...] to the northern end of the Arabian gulf.
That quote from the book is from a direct quote there which begins on page 6004, and which cites "F. Lenormant,Manual of Ancient History, bk. 7, ch. 4. " The F. Lenormant there may be
François Lenormant (1837-1883). That's all I found and I don't know whether or not it of any use, but I thought to mention it here.
Wtmitchell
(talk) (earlier Boracay Bill)
22:09, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
It's clear from the context of the quote that "Arabian gulf" here means the Red Sea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F04:41E:9600:E55A:A954:8282:21CF ( talk) 19:20, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
I reverted the addition of a couple of paragraphs about the US Navy as OR. The only source that discuss this rather than just examples of use if Foxnews, which is not a very good source. 37.245.43.126 ( talk) 06:24, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
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in aritcle:
The United Nations Group of Experts on Geographical Names discussed the naming issue during its 23rd session, held in Vienna from 28 March to 4 April 2006. According to the report of the meeting, "It is interesting that from among 6000 existing historical maps published up to 1890, there are only three maps mentioning the names of Basreh Gulf, Ghatif Gulf, and Arabic Gulf, in addition to which the name of small gulfs located at the coast with local utilization can be also named such as Chah Bahar Gulf, Siraf Gulf, Basreh Gulf, Ghatif Gulf, Bahrain Gulf,…. but such names are not applied to the entirety of the Persian Gulf. It is obvious that the promotional use by the Arabs of the three aforementioned maps, whose identity and originality are not clear, in comparison with 6000 maps and more than 200 historical and tourism books from Irastus to Herodotus to Estakhri and Ibn Houghal, who have all called the water body, Persian Gulf, shall lack any value."
The report further notes that "any change, destruction, or alteration of the names registered in historical deeds and maps is like the destruction of ancient works and is considered as an improper action. Therefore, the names of geographical features profiting from a unique historical identity, should not be utilized as political instruments in reaching a political, tribal, and racial objective, or in any clash with national interests and other's values," and finally concludes "...it is worth mentioning that the name of Persian Gulf has been admitted in all the live languages of the world so far and all the countries throughout the world, name this Iranian Sea, just in the language of the people: Persian Gulf. Even Arab brothers do not need to alter a historical name to have a gulf of their own, because there had been a gulf in their own name previously mentioned in the historical and geographical works and drawings, which is called at present the Red Sea (Bahr Ahmar).
I have notes about these paragraphs:
106. An expert from the Asia South-West Division (other than Arabic) summarized working paper No. 61, which outlined the history of the name Persian Gulf. The Convenor recognized the careful historical content of the paper and noted that countries could not be prohibited from using or creating exonyms.
So Working Group on Exonyms, Iran prepared the working paper and someone read the its summary on the meeting there were not any discussing the naming issue
حبيشان ( talk) 20:24, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
This article contains an extraordinarily large gallery of very repetitive maps> I'm going to clean it up per WP:GALLERY. It's just a WP:CITEBOMB at the moment Unbh ( talk) 09:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
The Arab states of the Persian Gulf comprises seven Arab countries, the six GCC states and Iraq. The first paragraph in the ‘Arabs opinion’ section cites an opinion piece article to support the claim that some Arab states prefer the title ‘Arabian Gulf’ (although I think the citation is irrelevant and weak). Personally from what I gather by the “conservative Arab states” it’s in reference of the GCC that the article heavily focuses on. Hope other editors weigh in on this though. 37.37.142.24 ( talk) 16:54, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
References
I sometimes look at this article out of curiosity. I see that it currently says, "According to authors Philip L. Kohl, Mara Kozelsky, and Nachman Ben-Yehuda in their work Selective Remembrances, Sir Charles Belgrave (British adviser to the ruler of Bahrain) was "the first westerner to use and advocate the name 'Arabian gulf', [...]". Some idle searching today led me to a use of the term "Arabian gulf" in
The New Learned History. 1923. p.
6005. [...] to the northern end of the Arabian gulf.
That quote from the book is from a direct quote there which begins on page 6004, and which cites "F. Lenormant,Manual of Ancient History, bk. 7, ch. 4. " The F. Lenormant there may be
François Lenormant (1837-1883). That's all I found and I don't know whether or not it of any use, but I thought to mention it here.
Wtmitchell
(talk) (earlier Boracay Bill)
22:09, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
It's clear from the context of the quote that "Arabian gulf" here means the Red Sea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F04:41E:9600:E55A:A954:8282:21CF ( talk) 19:20, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
I reverted the addition of a couple of paragraphs about the US Navy as OR. The only source that discuss this rather than just examples of use if Foxnews, which is not a very good source. 37.245.43.126 ( talk) 06:24, 10 October 2023 (UTC)