A1: The current title reflects the
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Adrian Zenz, a senior fellow at the
Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, is referenced 6 times in the
Mass detention section and 6 times in the
IUDs and birth control section. An over-reliance on research produced by him, despite that he is a heavily interested character in this issue, serves against the credibility and quality of this article. As a leading scholar his findings should be mentioned, of course, but not without qualification or alternative sources and data.
NipponGinko (
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06:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)reply
It’s likely more once you dig into sources as well; there’s a significant degree of circular reporting involving Zenz. I agree with your idea generally but it’s better to approach in a concrete way. What’s the specific edit or edits you want to make to address the issue?
JArthur1984 (
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14:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Per
WP:RADIOFREEASIA, RFA is considered reliable: Per the result of a 2021 RfC, editors have established that there is little reason to think RFA demonstrates some systematic inaccuracy, unreliability, or level of government co-option that precludes its use. — Czello(
music)14:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I’m not sure there’s enough content on the denial itself to generate a separate article, but it should definitely be included in this one.
Butterdiplomat (
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23:26, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I concur with Butterdiplomat's doubts about the volume being enough to start a new article. Personally I only know of a handful of 'apologist' news sites. Bear in mind that you will need independent
WP:RS saying what person X/organisation Y/ group Z claim is/isn't happening and they would specifically need to say what kind of 'denial' (denial of mistreatment/ or acknowledging mistreatment, but arguing that it doesn't constitute 'genocide' for example). I'm aware of these pitfalls because of similar articles.
Pincrete (
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05:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
A1: The current title reflects the
consensus established in the most recent move discussion (22 January 2024). Two previous widely attended move discussions (
30 June 2020 and
1 April 2021) had resulted in this page being titled
Uyghur genocide. Please see Logs and discussions below for the full list of move discussions. In these discussions, editors discussed
reporting from reliable sources in light of
WP:COMMONNAME and
WP:CRITERIA, the first two times establishing an affirmative consensus that the title "Uyghur genocide" is an appropriate name for the article. The third debate, immediately following a 12 January 2024 discussion that was closed as "not moved", citing
WP:NCENPOV as the naming convention guideline justifying a shift to the new name.
The subject of this article is
controversial and content may be in
dispute. When updating the article,
be bold, but not reckless. Feel free to try to improve the article, but don't take it personally if your changes are reversed; instead, come here to the talk page to discuss them. Content must be written from a
neutral point of view. Include
citations when adding content and consider tagging or removing unsourced information.
Persecution of Uyghurs in China was a Social sciences and society good articles nominee, but did not meet the
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Adrian Zenz, a senior fellow at the
Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, is referenced 6 times in the
Mass detention section and 6 times in the
IUDs and birth control section. An over-reliance on research produced by him, despite that he is a heavily interested character in this issue, serves against the credibility and quality of this article. As a leading scholar his findings should be mentioned, of course, but not without qualification or alternative sources and data.
NipponGinko (
talk)
06:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)reply
It’s likely more once you dig into sources as well; there’s a significant degree of circular reporting involving Zenz. I agree with your idea generally but it’s better to approach in a concrete way. What’s the specific edit or edits you want to make to address the issue?
JArthur1984 (
talk)
14:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Per
WP:RADIOFREEASIA, RFA is considered reliable: Per the result of a 2021 RfC, editors have established that there is little reason to think RFA demonstrates some systematic inaccuracy, unreliability, or level of government co-option that precludes its use. — Czello(
music)14:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I’m not sure there’s enough content on the denial itself to generate a separate article, but it should definitely be included in this one.
Butterdiplomat (
talk)
23:26, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I concur with Butterdiplomat's doubts about the volume being enough to start a new article. Personally I only know of a handful of 'apologist' news sites. Bear in mind that you will need independent
WP:RS saying what person X/organisation Y/ group Z claim is/isn't happening and they would specifically need to say what kind of 'denial' (denial of mistreatment/ or acknowledging mistreatment, but arguing that it doesn't constitute 'genocide' for example). I'm aware of these pitfalls because of similar articles.
Pincrete (
talk)
05:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply