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I've seen on the internet that he's a latino blogger from Miami. Lavendeira seems like a portuguese name... is he brazilian?
Did anyone notice that he has been attacked in the first paragraph. Probably needs changing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.227.89.75 ( talk) 05:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC) Well I just redid the entire Perez Hilton article due to atrocious writing and horrible grammar, as well as useless information. Hopefully its a bit more cohesive now. I referred to him as Lavanderia rather than das problems with the things I've written feel free to change it and let me know my errors. I dont' know what people will say about the criticisms I've included about Perez. I put them in there mainly because whoever had originally written the article wrote something ridiculous like "Many people that don't like him like to bash him"... or something just as vague and misleading. I guess it could be considered bias, but I don't think Perez's profile can go without at least a mention of how most bloggers hate him. Anyways, hope I helped...
Also I used most of my references within the article and cited them there.. I didn't actually put a seperate references section at the bottom if anyone wants to help with that. --Shiaobundan 00:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I think Perez should be used instead of Lavandeira; he is known as Perez and he calls himself Perez. It makes sense, I think.
I say keep, that man is steadily embeding himself into popular culture. if this person has an article Christine Dolce, than this guy should have one, maybe not under "Perez Hilton" but his real name.( Myrockstar 05:07, 30 June 2006 (UTC))
'Lavandeira began his career as a writer for gay magazines, and started blogging "because it seemed easy"[1]. When PerezHilton.com became the first to their "Page Six" gossip column. Later, Lavandeira was sued by Colin Farrell for posting a link to his sex tape. '
This sentence doesn't make sense.
I.P Address 71.204.121.194 vandalised the whole article on 11th of november 2006. It is now reverted back. This user has gone on a spree of vandalising wikipedia. Magnoliapaint 20:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
"Fat Boy Mario". An anonymous user has been changing all name references in the article to "Fat Boy Mario". Is this vandalism? (If so, please stop.) -- Stephen e nelson 18:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
YES Vandalism. Reverted back by another user. Magnoliapaint 20:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Does he think it is his job to "out" all those who might not really be gay? Who cares about their private life, what's his business looking into it? -- Jonathan.Bruce 11:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Dont care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE7qFo8Pi5E "Gossip blogger Perez Hilton has been ordered to stop stealing photos from Splash News and Picture Agency. The internet gossip columnist - real name Mario Armando Lavandeira - was handed a Cease and Desist order from the agency's lawyers on Tuesday. " -- Archeus 23:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I've removed this from the article until we can find a citation for it:
That link is just to the front page of their hosting company, which provides no supporting information. For traffic numbers I like to see third-party data. Poking around on perezhilton.com, I see claims of traffic like that, so maybe we're looking at something like "Perez Hilton claims..." rather than a statement of fact. William Pietri 17:17, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Try going to Alexa.com or other 3rd party sites to figure out the numbers. I might add a few in because they are relevant. Fatrb38 ( talk) 11:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Now the article refers to him both by hilton and by lavandeira.. shouldn't it just use one of the two to avoid misconceptions? I would prefer Hilton I guess.. Jeroenemans 14:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
The criticism section contains many instances of Perez defending his actions, but references to negative criticism is either unsourced or deleted. A section linking to an article that quotes members of the gay community criticising Perez is repeatedly deleted. In general, the criticism sections read as defenses of Perez. Many citations are needed in both sections.
i think the critical part is a tad bit biased. Kemi<3
I removed the claim that Perez posted an old Fiona Apple song and falsely claimed that it was a "new single" because his actual post does not actually claim this. [2] He merely calls the song "new", which is too vague to be clearly either true or false; it could mean either "new to me" or "new single," but because of this ambiguity it does not qualify as disinformation. Moreover, we need some examples of Perez actually posting false stories.-- Agnaramasi 15:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
See discussion on Perezhilton.com page
I've commented out part of the criticism section. According to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Remove unsourced or poorly sourced controversial material, "editors should remove any controversial material about living persons that is...unsourced". When the information is properly sourced, feel free to uncomment it. — ShadowHalo 05:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
i'm wondering if it might be better to change the name of this article to Mario Armando Lavandeira with the name Perez Hilton redirecting here rather than the reverse? -- emerson7 | Talk 18:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to let people know that, now that I have some time, I am going to restore a lot of the significant stuff that was mercilessly deleted by anonymous user:76.167.102.24 in these edits: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Perez_Hilton&diff=101508297&oldid=101017481. I will also, of course, find appropriate sources. In the future, I really don't think we should let people delete true and notable facts from this article just because they haven't googled for sources that are readily available.. These edits were very bad faith and very lazy, IMO...-- Agnaramasi 18:00, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
An anonymous user deleted this claiming that it is: (1) "specious" speculation from Lavandeira's website that does not belong in the entry; and (2) morally wrong. I restored the sentence, which is well sourced, because I don't agree with these criticisms and any decision not to include it must be made through discussion between editors.
In response to (1), it is crucial that the sentence is not relaying Lavandeira's speculation directly, but is making a factual claim about the content of the website, which is precisely all that is notable about Lavandeira to begin with. In fact, most of the article is about content and we have a specific section on Lavandeira's particularly controversial and notable habit of outing celebrities. In relation to that section and why his blog is notable at all, this list is absolutely relevent. In response to (2), personal moral judgments are entirely POV and have nothing to do with what is or is not included in a Wiki entry. To counter any perceived bias I explicitly added the fact that many of the celebrities on this list explicitly avow that they are heterosexual. And may I also suggest that self-righteousness and claims of moral superiority over other editors is not really good wiki etiquette...-- Agnaramasi 23:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Hasn´t Jodie Foster come out of the closet already? Like, many years ago?!? So why is she still in the list?
The 'Beginnings In Blogging' section reads like a fan site and at times, a resume. I think it needs to be re-worded. I am not the best writer so could someone with more journalism skills take on the task? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hilljayne ( talk • contribs) 07:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC). Hilljayne 07:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Note: this debate has been moved from Talk:Perezhilton.com, where it was misplaced. DWaterson 22:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
While it's possible to describe Perez Hilton as "noteworthy", having a page for his site and a page for him seems redundant and vain. Suggest merging article into Perez Hilton and redirecting.
I added that Perez Hilton does not name his sources and is in fact refusing to do so in court, which may damage his case. Also, I mentioned that Perez is thought to be a member of the underground blogger group, the ZeitGhosts. Which means he gets info from the inside of every publication- the very ones that have cases against him. All this is in the complaint against him, yet for SOME REASON if I say the word "ZeitGhosts" on Wikipedia it "mysteriously" gets deleted. Hmmmm wonder who's editing this. I'm sure that the ZeitGhosts will delete this too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.126.8.182 ( talk) 23:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC).
There needs to be clarification as to why someone so biting and proudly vulgar and who is clearly not political or intellectual appeals to so many people. Whereas someone like Howard Stern is at least on the edge of free speech via extremes in language, Perez just seems to want nothing but attention for attention's sake. Like Madonna and Paris Hilton, Perez is an obvious off shoot of raunch culture where people have become proud of being trashy in a reality TV show cultural landscape. Whereas a real thinker or critic like Cintra Wilson would be employing various tactics of witty references to 'take out' celebrities, Perez panders and grovels for attention from them. This post modernist approach to his blogging style needs to be explored in his article or it's just a bias homage. "While clearly lacking the erudite intellect and pop culture literacy of the old school gossip columnists he has gathered a huge following in the current lowbrow raunch culture that embraces the Andy Warhol concept of "fifteen minutes of fame." The preceding quote is fair, viable and should not be deleted.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Catherine Huebscher ( talk • contribs) 15:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC).
I removed this criticism in my most recent edit (and I apologize for not using the edit summary) because, once the references were properly ordered with their corresponding statements in the article, there is obviously no source for the claim that "Lavandeira has been criticized" for not speculating on celebrities' HIV status while not disclosing his own.-- Agnaramasi 14:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
-- Agnaramasi 19:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I understand using the blog as a source on occasion, and I've noticed that the entry is very careful to distinguish between sourcing as a reliable source and sourcing simply to indicate that Lavendeira said something in his blog. I think the entry has done well with this for the most part, and editors been very careful to use language in the text to distinguish between his words and things said about him. There's only one place currently that the line seems a little blurry: "For example, London-based singer Mika's 2007 rise to North American success has been at least partially attributed to Lavandeira's support" is sourced to his blog, but is backed up by another source. I don't think he's a valid source on his own credibility. The fact that his blog is cited so often in general concerns me just a little. Again, I think the entry is excellent in maintaining a distinction, but in citing the blog so much, there could be a danger of the entry becoming too much of a report on what he's saying in the blog instead of a NPOV discussion of the man. Not everyone loves the guy. - Jmh123 18:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
for instance, I moved this from way up on the talk page because someone just added an edit to it. Surely people have commented on this:
Does he think it is his job to "out" all those who might not really be gay? Who cares about their private life, what's his business looking into it? -- Jonathan.Bruce 11:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I've removed reference to her until such time as there is a reference indicating that Hilton called on her to come out of the closet. All the links to specific entries on his website are now dead, by the way. - Jmh123 17:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Could we get a mention of this please? I miss defacing his website. 82.163.34.247 22:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Is it not considered stylistically poor to use quotations instead of paraphrasing on Wikipedia? It seems that it might be more concise and clear to summarize the different claims and positions presented in the "Outing celebrities" section instead of quoting each of them at length.-- Agnaramasi 04:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
It strikes me that this page is not at anything like the correct title per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people). At the very least, the page should be moved to Mario Lavandeira (middle names and Jr are not used if they are not the normal name by which the person is known). But, more importantly, as Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Nick names, pen names, stage names, cognomens points out, we have George Eliot, not Mary Ann Evans, and Le Corbusier, not Charles-Édouard Jeanneret. So I consider that the correct title for this page should be Perez Hilton, as that is the name by which Mario Lavandeira has chosen to be known. Any objections to moving back to Perez Hilton? DWaterson 10:47, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Unregistered user Wikiaway has removed a passage referencing a dead link from the entry. Earlier, when I removed some similar links, I was reverted by Emerson, example of diff here: [4]. The edit comment refers to this policy: What to do when a reference link goes dead. The guideline is: "...do not remove the inactive reference, but rather record the date that the original link was found to be inactive." Most of the links to Hilton's blog are dead, due to his having been dropped by his previous web host, but they do reference blogs that did exist at one time, as far as I know. - Jmh123 17:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
It's a pity that we can't WP:BJAODN this any more :-) DWaterson 16:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I did a re-organization and style clean up here to include more context as to why he gets more attention, which is why the guy deserves an entry. He's at the nexus of many social issues and media criticism, thus much of the above vitriol. Kitten b ( talk) 08:03, 9 February 2008 (UTC) kitten b
i think since Paris Hilton is mentioned as him being biased towards her by never publishing bad things about her (the racist +homophobic video tape of her), i think you should cite also he's trying to political pursue viewers to not vote Obama but vote for Hilary Clinton. Writing vague and disgusting lies about Barack Obama to the lead up election. I think it should be mentioned, see it for yourselves, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.37.175 ( talk) 12:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Perez Hilton announced on his blog that he supports Hillary Clinton, and right before important primaries he posted rumors about Obama campaign staffers being communists (with pictures of alleged Obama campaign offices featuring Che Guevera paraphernalia). See "We support Hillary Clinton" "Barack Hearts Che" Some readers have organized a Boycott of Perez Hilton for this and other reasons. See "Boycott Perez Hilton", which also has arguments about why Perez is racist. There is also a boycott of fashion labels that support Perez, see fashionindie.com .-- Carcc ( talk) 19:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
In addition to "Boycott Perez Hilton" there is a website by Avril Lavigne, and endorsed by other entertainers including Christina Aguilera, Miley Cyrus, Queen Latifah, Lauren Conrad, Lindsey Lohan,Kim Kardashian, Ashley Tisdale, Joss Stone, Chyna, Nicolas Cage, Britney Spears, Kate Beckinsale, Christian Bale, Naomi Watts and Nicole Kidman advocating against Perez Hilton. See "Perez Lavigne". Is any of this worthy of inclusion in the article? I think so but I am new here and don't know how to edit it. -- Carcc ( talk) 18:02, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Good argument, add boycott perez site on the main page. This is not a biased article, it should have links and points to both sides, not just sticking up for perez —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.109.108 ( talk) 15:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
"Homosexual" in the introduction should be changed to "lesbian and gay" in accordance with Wikipedia's policy of calling group by the group's preferred term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kabanks ( talk • contribs) 05:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Can someone include the article(s) on the internet about his most recent lawsuit from BMG. Hence no updates about Britney or many other artists; basically he was gagged. 92.232.121.101 ( talk) 23:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
In the "Outing Celebrities" section, Michael Jensen is mentioned as editor of AfterEllen.com when he is editor of AfterElton.com. Can someone with the ability to edit semi-protected pages make the change? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.21.35 ( talk) 23:31, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
I've replaced this:
with this:
The Foster article covers all the nuances, and this article isn't the place to simplify, selectively summarize or sidestep them.
chocolateboy ( talk) 20:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
SHOULD WE ADD PEREZ RECENT WAR WITH SANTINO MARELLA?
A recent user made this change, which was shortly reverted. Though I'm not the original changer, I'm bringing it here for discussion per WP:BRD.
While I can see how a list of charities Hilton supports could possibly be considered notable if WP:RS mention it, I fail to see how it gets anywhere near the actual definition of charitable _work_ - no matter how much his ads normally go for. Calling it work on the basis of being "free advertising" would mean we would also need to list any charity mentioned favorably by any pundit e.g. Bill O'Reilly or Rachel Maddow as charitable work, also (as their shows also have paid commercials). John Darrow ( talk) 01:18, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I think it is noteworthy to add in this section
"Perez used the popular Twitter platform to express his views to thousands of "followers" and tweeted celebrities at a manic pace, triggering a real-time war of words between Billy Bush and Giulini Rancic.
When hundreds of Perez's Twitter followers asked him if he thought President Obama or Vice President Biden were also ignorant because they shared Miss California's viewpoint, Perez would not respond directly. He just continued Tweeting or Re-Tweeting Celebrity responses supporting his viewpoint."
"This started a backlash against Perez for making the entire controvesy appear to be a personal attack against Miss California and not an objective viewpoint." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ratsoverboard ( talk • contribs) 03:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Ironically in the same week Perez is so vocal about equal rights for Gays his website features a video for a juvenile song called MY PENIS on which he is featured. It is widely regarded as an insult to all men.
To the unsigned poster above me: you would need a source for the claim that "it is widely regarded as an insult to all men" for starters. 2nd you need to sign your name or IP, or more specifically register an account with Wikipedia, if you want to be able to have legitimate back and forth discussions on this topic (how else will people know if they are still talking to the same person or a different person? PS I added the viewpoint of the pageant co-director since it's relevant. PPS It's the Miss USA pageant, which is a distinctively different pageant and organization from Miss America. Fatrb38 ( talk) 11:09, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I've had an edit regarding his charitable contributions removed twice now. Perez is one of the few bloggers who frequently and explicitly requests charitable donations. Given that ads on his blog cost $10,000 at a minimum [3], and given that ads attract less attention than blog posts, he's conservatively giving away hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of attention to charities. Is there any reason not to highlight this? Byrneseyeview ( talk) 14:27, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
The section on the Miss California controversy doesn't sound very neutral. The opinions cited are all anti-Hilton and almost all from right-wing columnist Michelle Malkin. I don't know why Malkin's opinion is given so much weight on this matter. MaesterTonberry ( talk) 19:46, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I interpretted this as pretty straight forward. Perez made some crude remarks, they are listed. I do not think there is much defense for him regarding his comments. His view of Same Sex Marriage may be controversial to some, but there are better ways to support a cause than name calling and vulgarity. Different circumstances entirely than Imus, but the same in regards to being called out for vulgarity. ModestMouse2 (Talk) 20:27, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't entirely disagree however this page isn't the place for personal opinions and you didn't address the problem I highlighted. Whilst your probably right that few have defended Hilton's comments that does not excuse the very biased tone of the last paragraph and the undue weight it gives to one individual's view.
Columnist Michelle Malkin commented
"He appalled some women like Malkin
Malkin also condemned pageant director Keith Lewis
"Malkin concluded
There's nothing wrong with including critical comments on Hilton however the section includes how Malkin was 'appalled' and how she also criticised Keith Lewis, such things are completely unnecessary. MaesterTonberry ( talk) 23:24, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I know Lavandeira is his legal last name, but Perez Hilton is the name he is most commonly known by. Therefore, after initial biographical info, the article should exclusively refer to him as "Hilton". 24.171.52.43 ( talk) 16:33, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
From the article: "Lavandeira lost a total of 45 lbs. in three months and dropped 13” around his waist, leaving him at 160 lbs and a 28” waist for his 6’0” frame, and 7% body fat."
There's just no way he has 7% bodyfat. No one can go from 30% to 7% in any period less than a couple years (especially not without steroids). The article cited for this doesn't even say 7%, only that he started off at 30%. For him to get down to less than 10% after losing ~40lbs would require that almost 100% of the weight he lost was bodyfat (and not lean weight, or muscle). It is not rational to conclude that almost all of the bodyweight lost was bodyfat and therefore if there are no objections we are going to have to delete the "7%" figure. 76.171.5.82 ( talk) 00:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC) Fatrb38 ( talk) 01:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Please join the discussion at Talk:Miss USA 2009#Merge "controversy" with Carrie Prejean article?, where editors are trying to hash out a solution to the explosion of information on this incident that are taking over Wikipedia. Exploding Boy ( talk) 04:11, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
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I've seen on the internet that he's a latino blogger from Miami. Lavendeira seems like a portuguese name... is he brazilian?
Did anyone notice that he has been attacked in the first paragraph. Probably needs changing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.227.89.75 ( talk) 05:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC) Well I just redid the entire Perez Hilton article due to atrocious writing and horrible grammar, as well as useless information. Hopefully its a bit more cohesive now. I referred to him as Lavanderia rather than das problems with the things I've written feel free to change it and let me know my errors. I dont' know what people will say about the criticisms I've included about Perez. I put them in there mainly because whoever had originally written the article wrote something ridiculous like "Many people that don't like him like to bash him"... or something just as vague and misleading. I guess it could be considered bias, but I don't think Perez's profile can go without at least a mention of how most bloggers hate him. Anyways, hope I helped...
Also I used most of my references within the article and cited them there.. I didn't actually put a seperate references section at the bottom if anyone wants to help with that. --Shiaobundan 00:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I think Perez should be used instead of Lavandeira; he is known as Perez and he calls himself Perez. It makes sense, I think.
I say keep, that man is steadily embeding himself into popular culture. if this person has an article Christine Dolce, than this guy should have one, maybe not under "Perez Hilton" but his real name.( Myrockstar 05:07, 30 June 2006 (UTC))
'Lavandeira began his career as a writer for gay magazines, and started blogging "because it seemed easy"[1]. When PerezHilton.com became the first to their "Page Six" gossip column. Later, Lavandeira was sued by Colin Farrell for posting a link to his sex tape. '
This sentence doesn't make sense.
I.P Address 71.204.121.194 vandalised the whole article on 11th of november 2006. It is now reverted back. This user has gone on a spree of vandalising wikipedia. Magnoliapaint 20:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
"Fat Boy Mario". An anonymous user has been changing all name references in the article to "Fat Boy Mario". Is this vandalism? (If so, please stop.) -- Stephen e nelson 18:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
YES Vandalism. Reverted back by another user. Magnoliapaint 20:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Does he think it is his job to "out" all those who might not really be gay? Who cares about their private life, what's his business looking into it? -- Jonathan.Bruce 11:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Dont care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE7qFo8Pi5E "Gossip blogger Perez Hilton has been ordered to stop stealing photos from Splash News and Picture Agency. The internet gossip columnist - real name Mario Armando Lavandeira - was handed a Cease and Desist order from the agency's lawyers on Tuesday. " -- Archeus 23:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I've removed this from the article until we can find a citation for it:
That link is just to the front page of their hosting company, which provides no supporting information. For traffic numbers I like to see third-party data. Poking around on perezhilton.com, I see claims of traffic like that, so maybe we're looking at something like "Perez Hilton claims..." rather than a statement of fact. William Pietri 17:17, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Try going to Alexa.com or other 3rd party sites to figure out the numbers. I might add a few in because they are relevant. Fatrb38 ( talk) 11:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Now the article refers to him both by hilton and by lavandeira.. shouldn't it just use one of the two to avoid misconceptions? I would prefer Hilton I guess.. Jeroenemans 14:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
The criticism section contains many instances of Perez defending his actions, but references to negative criticism is either unsourced or deleted. A section linking to an article that quotes members of the gay community criticising Perez is repeatedly deleted. In general, the criticism sections read as defenses of Perez. Many citations are needed in both sections.
i think the critical part is a tad bit biased. Kemi<3
I removed the claim that Perez posted an old Fiona Apple song and falsely claimed that it was a "new single" because his actual post does not actually claim this. [2] He merely calls the song "new", which is too vague to be clearly either true or false; it could mean either "new to me" or "new single," but because of this ambiguity it does not qualify as disinformation. Moreover, we need some examples of Perez actually posting false stories.-- Agnaramasi 15:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
See discussion on Perezhilton.com page
I've commented out part of the criticism section. According to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Remove unsourced or poorly sourced controversial material, "editors should remove any controversial material about living persons that is...unsourced". When the information is properly sourced, feel free to uncomment it. — ShadowHalo 05:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
i'm wondering if it might be better to change the name of this article to Mario Armando Lavandeira with the name Perez Hilton redirecting here rather than the reverse? -- emerson7 | Talk 18:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to let people know that, now that I have some time, I am going to restore a lot of the significant stuff that was mercilessly deleted by anonymous user:76.167.102.24 in these edits: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Perez_Hilton&diff=101508297&oldid=101017481. I will also, of course, find appropriate sources. In the future, I really don't think we should let people delete true and notable facts from this article just because they haven't googled for sources that are readily available.. These edits were very bad faith and very lazy, IMO...-- Agnaramasi 18:00, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
An anonymous user deleted this claiming that it is: (1) "specious" speculation from Lavandeira's website that does not belong in the entry; and (2) morally wrong. I restored the sentence, which is well sourced, because I don't agree with these criticisms and any decision not to include it must be made through discussion between editors.
In response to (1), it is crucial that the sentence is not relaying Lavandeira's speculation directly, but is making a factual claim about the content of the website, which is precisely all that is notable about Lavandeira to begin with. In fact, most of the article is about content and we have a specific section on Lavandeira's particularly controversial and notable habit of outing celebrities. In relation to that section and why his blog is notable at all, this list is absolutely relevent. In response to (2), personal moral judgments are entirely POV and have nothing to do with what is or is not included in a Wiki entry. To counter any perceived bias I explicitly added the fact that many of the celebrities on this list explicitly avow that they are heterosexual. And may I also suggest that self-righteousness and claims of moral superiority over other editors is not really good wiki etiquette...-- Agnaramasi 23:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Hasn´t Jodie Foster come out of the closet already? Like, many years ago?!? So why is she still in the list?
The 'Beginnings In Blogging' section reads like a fan site and at times, a resume. I think it needs to be re-worded. I am not the best writer so could someone with more journalism skills take on the task? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hilljayne ( talk • contribs) 07:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC). Hilljayne 07:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Note: this debate has been moved from Talk:Perezhilton.com, where it was misplaced. DWaterson 22:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
While it's possible to describe Perez Hilton as "noteworthy", having a page for his site and a page for him seems redundant and vain. Suggest merging article into Perez Hilton and redirecting.
I added that Perez Hilton does not name his sources and is in fact refusing to do so in court, which may damage his case. Also, I mentioned that Perez is thought to be a member of the underground blogger group, the ZeitGhosts. Which means he gets info from the inside of every publication- the very ones that have cases against him. All this is in the complaint against him, yet for SOME REASON if I say the word "ZeitGhosts" on Wikipedia it "mysteriously" gets deleted. Hmmmm wonder who's editing this. I'm sure that the ZeitGhosts will delete this too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.126.8.182 ( talk) 23:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC).
There needs to be clarification as to why someone so biting and proudly vulgar and who is clearly not political or intellectual appeals to so many people. Whereas someone like Howard Stern is at least on the edge of free speech via extremes in language, Perez just seems to want nothing but attention for attention's sake. Like Madonna and Paris Hilton, Perez is an obvious off shoot of raunch culture where people have become proud of being trashy in a reality TV show cultural landscape. Whereas a real thinker or critic like Cintra Wilson would be employing various tactics of witty references to 'take out' celebrities, Perez panders and grovels for attention from them. This post modernist approach to his blogging style needs to be explored in his article or it's just a bias homage. "While clearly lacking the erudite intellect and pop culture literacy of the old school gossip columnists he has gathered a huge following in the current lowbrow raunch culture that embraces the Andy Warhol concept of "fifteen minutes of fame." The preceding quote is fair, viable and should not be deleted.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Catherine Huebscher ( talk • contribs) 15:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC).
I removed this criticism in my most recent edit (and I apologize for not using the edit summary) because, once the references were properly ordered with their corresponding statements in the article, there is obviously no source for the claim that "Lavandeira has been criticized" for not speculating on celebrities' HIV status while not disclosing his own.-- Agnaramasi 14:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
-- Agnaramasi 19:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I understand using the blog as a source on occasion, and I've noticed that the entry is very careful to distinguish between sourcing as a reliable source and sourcing simply to indicate that Lavendeira said something in his blog. I think the entry has done well with this for the most part, and editors been very careful to use language in the text to distinguish between his words and things said about him. There's only one place currently that the line seems a little blurry: "For example, London-based singer Mika's 2007 rise to North American success has been at least partially attributed to Lavandeira's support" is sourced to his blog, but is backed up by another source. I don't think he's a valid source on his own credibility. The fact that his blog is cited so often in general concerns me just a little. Again, I think the entry is excellent in maintaining a distinction, but in citing the blog so much, there could be a danger of the entry becoming too much of a report on what he's saying in the blog instead of a NPOV discussion of the man. Not everyone loves the guy. - Jmh123 18:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
for instance, I moved this from way up on the talk page because someone just added an edit to it. Surely people have commented on this:
Does he think it is his job to "out" all those who might not really be gay? Who cares about their private life, what's his business looking into it? -- Jonathan.Bruce 11:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I've removed reference to her until such time as there is a reference indicating that Hilton called on her to come out of the closet. All the links to specific entries on his website are now dead, by the way. - Jmh123 17:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Could we get a mention of this please? I miss defacing his website. 82.163.34.247 22:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Is it not considered stylistically poor to use quotations instead of paraphrasing on Wikipedia? It seems that it might be more concise and clear to summarize the different claims and positions presented in the "Outing celebrities" section instead of quoting each of them at length.-- Agnaramasi 04:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
It strikes me that this page is not at anything like the correct title per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people). At the very least, the page should be moved to Mario Lavandeira (middle names and Jr are not used if they are not the normal name by which the person is known). But, more importantly, as Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Nick names, pen names, stage names, cognomens points out, we have George Eliot, not Mary Ann Evans, and Le Corbusier, not Charles-Édouard Jeanneret. So I consider that the correct title for this page should be Perez Hilton, as that is the name by which Mario Lavandeira has chosen to be known. Any objections to moving back to Perez Hilton? DWaterson 10:47, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Unregistered user Wikiaway has removed a passage referencing a dead link from the entry. Earlier, when I removed some similar links, I was reverted by Emerson, example of diff here: [4]. The edit comment refers to this policy: What to do when a reference link goes dead. The guideline is: "...do not remove the inactive reference, but rather record the date that the original link was found to be inactive." Most of the links to Hilton's blog are dead, due to his having been dropped by his previous web host, but they do reference blogs that did exist at one time, as far as I know. - Jmh123 17:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
It's a pity that we can't WP:BJAODN this any more :-) DWaterson 16:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I did a re-organization and style clean up here to include more context as to why he gets more attention, which is why the guy deserves an entry. He's at the nexus of many social issues and media criticism, thus much of the above vitriol. Kitten b ( talk) 08:03, 9 February 2008 (UTC) kitten b
i think since Paris Hilton is mentioned as him being biased towards her by never publishing bad things about her (the racist +homophobic video tape of her), i think you should cite also he's trying to political pursue viewers to not vote Obama but vote for Hilary Clinton. Writing vague and disgusting lies about Barack Obama to the lead up election. I think it should be mentioned, see it for yourselves, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.37.175 ( talk) 12:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Perez Hilton announced on his blog that he supports Hillary Clinton, and right before important primaries he posted rumors about Obama campaign staffers being communists (with pictures of alleged Obama campaign offices featuring Che Guevera paraphernalia). See "We support Hillary Clinton" "Barack Hearts Che" Some readers have organized a Boycott of Perez Hilton for this and other reasons. See "Boycott Perez Hilton", which also has arguments about why Perez is racist. There is also a boycott of fashion labels that support Perez, see fashionindie.com .-- Carcc ( talk) 19:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
In addition to "Boycott Perez Hilton" there is a website by Avril Lavigne, and endorsed by other entertainers including Christina Aguilera, Miley Cyrus, Queen Latifah, Lauren Conrad, Lindsey Lohan,Kim Kardashian, Ashley Tisdale, Joss Stone, Chyna, Nicolas Cage, Britney Spears, Kate Beckinsale, Christian Bale, Naomi Watts and Nicole Kidman advocating against Perez Hilton. See "Perez Lavigne". Is any of this worthy of inclusion in the article? I think so but I am new here and don't know how to edit it. -- Carcc ( talk) 18:02, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Good argument, add boycott perez site on the main page. This is not a biased article, it should have links and points to both sides, not just sticking up for perez —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.109.108 ( talk) 15:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
"Homosexual" in the introduction should be changed to "lesbian and gay" in accordance with Wikipedia's policy of calling group by the group's preferred term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kabanks ( talk • contribs) 05:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Can someone include the article(s) on the internet about his most recent lawsuit from BMG. Hence no updates about Britney or many other artists; basically he was gagged. 92.232.121.101 ( talk) 23:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
In the "Outing Celebrities" section, Michael Jensen is mentioned as editor of AfterEllen.com when he is editor of AfterElton.com. Can someone with the ability to edit semi-protected pages make the change? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.21.35 ( talk) 23:31, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
I've replaced this:
with this:
The Foster article covers all the nuances, and this article isn't the place to simplify, selectively summarize or sidestep them.
chocolateboy ( talk) 20:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
SHOULD WE ADD PEREZ RECENT WAR WITH SANTINO MARELLA?
A recent user made this change, which was shortly reverted. Though I'm not the original changer, I'm bringing it here for discussion per WP:BRD.
While I can see how a list of charities Hilton supports could possibly be considered notable if WP:RS mention it, I fail to see how it gets anywhere near the actual definition of charitable _work_ - no matter how much his ads normally go for. Calling it work on the basis of being "free advertising" would mean we would also need to list any charity mentioned favorably by any pundit e.g. Bill O'Reilly or Rachel Maddow as charitable work, also (as their shows also have paid commercials). John Darrow ( talk) 01:18, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I think it is noteworthy to add in this section
"Perez used the popular Twitter platform to express his views to thousands of "followers" and tweeted celebrities at a manic pace, triggering a real-time war of words between Billy Bush and Giulini Rancic.
When hundreds of Perez's Twitter followers asked him if he thought President Obama or Vice President Biden were also ignorant because they shared Miss California's viewpoint, Perez would not respond directly. He just continued Tweeting or Re-Tweeting Celebrity responses supporting his viewpoint."
"This started a backlash against Perez for making the entire controvesy appear to be a personal attack against Miss California and not an objective viewpoint." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ratsoverboard ( talk • contribs) 03:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Ironically in the same week Perez is so vocal about equal rights for Gays his website features a video for a juvenile song called MY PENIS on which he is featured. It is widely regarded as an insult to all men.
To the unsigned poster above me: you would need a source for the claim that "it is widely regarded as an insult to all men" for starters. 2nd you need to sign your name or IP, or more specifically register an account with Wikipedia, if you want to be able to have legitimate back and forth discussions on this topic (how else will people know if they are still talking to the same person or a different person? PS I added the viewpoint of the pageant co-director since it's relevant. PPS It's the Miss USA pageant, which is a distinctively different pageant and organization from Miss America. Fatrb38 ( talk) 11:09, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I've had an edit regarding his charitable contributions removed twice now. Perez is one of the few bloggers who frequently and explicitly requests charitable donations. Given that ads on his blog cost $10,000 at a minimum [3], and given that ads attract less attention than blog posts, he's conservatively giving away hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of attention to charities. Is there any reason not to highlight this? Byrneseyeview ( talk) 14:27, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
The section on the Miss California controversy doesn't sound very neutral. The opinions cited are all anti-Hilton and almost all from right-wing columnist Michelle Malkin. I don't know why Malkin's opinion is given so much weight on this matter. MaesterTonberry ( talk) 19:46, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I interpretted this as pretty straight forward. Perez made some crude remarks, they are listed. I do not think there is much defense for him regarding his comments. His view of Same Sex Marriage may be controversial to some, but there are better ways to support a cause than name calling and vulgarity. Different circumstances entirely than Imus, but the same in regards to being called out for vulgarity. ModestMouse2 (Talk) 20:27, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't entirely disagree however this page isn't the place for personal opinions and you didn't address the problem I highlighted. Whilst your probably right that few have defended Hilton's comments that does not excuse the very biased tone of the last paragraph and the undue weight it gives to one individual's view.
Columnist Michelle Malkin commented
"He appalled some women like Malkin
Malkin also condemned pageant director Keith Lewis
"Malkin concluded
There's nothing wrong with including critical comments on Hilton however the section includes how Malkin was 'appalled' and how she also criticised Keith Lewis, such things are completely unnecessary. MaesterTonberry ( talk) 23:24, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I know Lavandeira is his legal last name, but Perez Hilton is the name he is most commonly known by. Therefore, after initial biographical info, the article should exclusively refer to him as "Hilton". 24.171.52.43 ( talk) 16:33, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
From the article: "Lavandeira lost a total of 45 lbs. in three months and dropped 13” around his waist, leaving him at 160 lbs and a 28” waist for his 6’0” frame, and 7% body fat."
There's just no way he has 7% bodyfat. No one can go from 30% to 7% in any period less than a couple years (especially not without steroids). The article cited for this doesn't even say 7%, only that he started off at 30%. For him to get down to less than 10% after losing ~40lbs would require that almost 100% of the weight he lost was bodyfat (and not lean weight, or muscle). It is not rational to conclude that almost all of the bodyweight lost was bodyfat and therefore if there are no objections we are going to have to delete the "7%" figure. 76.171.5.82 ( talk) 00:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC) Fatrb38 ( talk) 01:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Please join the discussion at Talk:Miss USA 2009#Merge "controversy" with Carrie Prejean article?, where editors are trying to hash out a solution to the explosion of information on this incident that are taking over Wikipedia. Exploding Boy ( talk) 04:11, 5 May 2009 (UTC)