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Is it really correct to say that Pente is a "simplification of Renju"? It seems that Renju lacks the possibility of capturing opponent's stones. -- AxelBoldt
The article doesn't say that Pente is a simplification of renju. Ninuki-renju isn't renju. -- Zundark, 2001 Dec 3
What is the difference between pente and ninuki-renju? Shouldn't we have an article on ninuki-renju or renju? -- SJK
The difference between Pente and ninuki-renju is explained in one of the external web-pages linked in the article. -- Zundark, 2001 Dec 4
"The community has apparently not found a generic term that applies only to games with these rules."
Pente does have another name: Quinta. This name was used by a shareware implementation (probably one of many) many years ago, but I don't know the status of the name. -- Smjg 19:56, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Hang on ... just looked at the external link. So white places one, black places two, then they place one per turn? That's not the same as Quinta, which is straight one per turn from the start and no restrictions on where stones are placed (except obviously, must be on an empty point). Otherwise it's the same, except that the version I played was red and green, and the computer would always take the centre before a random point if it knows no better move.... -- Smjg 11:06, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The version I've always played had anywhere from the traditional two players to five or six, using various colored glass pieces... Is that a niche version, or does the current article just leave it out? Cursed Pretzel
I play that version too! normally 3 or 4 player and its much harder that way,
the version i play is to capture you must bracket 2 stones of the same colour with 2 of your own
often this game ends with 5 captures rather than a pente
Dasy2k1 —Preceding
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05:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC).
I have a Pente game that has the copywrite.... Gabrel 1977 @ Pente Games Co. I don't remember when I got it but it must have been from around that time in Tulsa. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mcsoares ( talk • contribs) 03:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
You have a Pente game that's copywrited in 1977 ,and I remember playing Tessera on a Sega Megadrive many years ago, so the author of the article could do some research to find the games series in electronic form . By the way I happen to be Greek and Tria , Tessera , Pente is er... Greek for 3 , 4 , 5 . 193.92.154.18 00:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I rearranged the paragraphs of the history section into a more chronological order. I'm no expert on Pente, so feel free to work on it more. There are a couple of paragraphs that had line-breaks in them that maybe were meant to be paragraph breaks, though I assumed not. Also, it seems there are some gaps and missing dates in the history. -- Logotu ( talk) 21:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
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WP:V, to say nothing of
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Look, I love Pente as much as the next guy, and only wish my kids didn't have computers so they'd still play it with me. But all these personalized versions that have been added to this article simply don't belong here, for the aforementioned reasons. I'll wait a while for others to comment before returning with my chain saw. Un sch ool 02:43, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
I recently rewrote the article to tone down the original research and other non-encyclopedic content. If it's still a problem, just consider merging any useful info into Go_variants and having both Pente and Megiddo redirect there. Alternatively, you could try to improve the article yourself instead of just pointing out its flaws. 98.86.118.253 ( talk) 00:54, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
I have been playing on a very old pente set. It was being played at Hideaway Pizza in Stillwater, OK ever since I can recall. It is rumored to have been invented there. Can someone check this? I find it unusual that it isn't mentioned here, since it is mentioned in the instructions, itself. And yes, Pente can and is still played by more than 2. 75.108.46.195 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:56, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
The history, rules, and overview of the game are the only sections in the article. I am wondering; when Hasboro sold the rites of the game, was that the last of it? Is pente still played today? Lstockton ( talk) 06:11, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
I noticed that there was a game play link in the references. I removed that and added an exterior links section so the to external links were separated from the references. Shieldsy7 ( talk · contribs) who has been adding yet another game play site has accused me of having an " alterior motive" (I think "ulterior was meant) for removing them. WP:EL is clear. Specifically neither WP:ELYES nor WP:ELMAYBE say anything about this sort of link. WP:ELNO 13, sites that are only indirectly related to the article's subject seems to apply. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 03:54, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
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Hey Walter - please see the above bolded sections in support of my claim. Under the reasoning of gameplay should not be linked to sites, I feel like it's only reasonable to compare to other art forms: Under that reasoning, you should not be allowed to link an article to a wiki that contain the article contents - which removes all music linked on wikipedia, any links to trailers or speeches, etc.
I am pushing hard as a game developer - your opinion, if it is that of wikipedia, seems to disqualify gameplay as a relevant piece of information in the artform of games.
I only pushed my comment because you seemed to keep one link that broke the policies of wikipedia to a much higher extent. I added the new link as it is more friendly to more browsers and does not require personal information to be shared.
Shieldsy7 ( talk) 03:58, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Draughts /info/en/?search=Go_(game) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shieldsy7 ( talk • contribs) 04:23, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Hm, seems like I looked at the preponderance of the site "curly" across board games, which seems to lead to a discussion board and provide links to a bunch of playable games. That being said, I still don't agree with your claim that gameplay is not relevant to external links. Is there a way I can make an appeal to an administrator? I think there is quite a body of evidence suggesting that free, accessible links to the content described in a wikipedia article is probably beneficial to wikipedia users, especially when those links are open sourced. Shieldsy7 ( talk) 04:55, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
"...1931 he proposed the change from Go-board with 19x19 intersections to Renju-board with only 15x15 intersections."
https://renju.se/rif/r1rulhis.htm
The board size of Gomoku and Renju was changed in 1931 from the 19x19 Goban to the current 15x15 gomoku size. Omok is a variant that currently uses the 19x19 size still. By the time Gary Gabrel heard of Ninuki-Renju in the 70's, gomoku and renju were already being played on the 15x15 board size. He borrowed the Goban and simplified the Ninuki-Renju first player restrictions to create Pente.
The current standard for gomoku remains the 15x15 board, while Omok, as stated above, uses the older 19x19 board and is closer to kakugo/freestyle gomoku from around 700 AD.
https://www.renju.net/study/rules.php
http://gomokuworld.com/gomoku/1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by T0afer ( talk • contribs) 14:38, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
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Is it really correct to say that Pente is a "simplification of Renju"? It seems that Renju lacks the possibility of capturing opponent's stones. -- AxelBoldt
The article doesn't say that Pente is a simplification of renju. Ninuki-renju isn't renju. -- Zundark, 2001 Dec 3
What is the difference between pente and ninuki-renju? Shouldn't we have an article on ninuki-renju or renju? -- SJK
The difference between Pente and ninuki-renju is explained in one of the external web-pages linked in the article. -- Zundark, 2001 Dec 4
"The community has apparently not found a generic term that applies only to games with these rules."
Pente does have another name: Quinta. This name was used by a shareware implementation (probably one of many) many years ago, but I don't know the status of the name. -- Smjg 19:56, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Hang on ... just looked at the external link. So white places one, black places two, then they place one per turn? That's not the same as Quinta, which is straight one per turn from the start and no restrictions on where stones are placed (except obviously, must be on an empty point). Otherwise it's the same, except that the version I played was red and green, and the computer would always take the centre before a random point if it knows no better move.... -- Smjg 11:06, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The version I've always played had anywhere from the traditional two players to five or six, using various colored glass pieces... Is that a niche version, or does the current article just leave it out? Cursed Pretzel
I play that version too! normally 3 or 4 player and its much harder that way,
the version i play is to capture you must bracket 2 stones of the same colour with 2 of your own
often this game ends with 5 captures rather than a pente
Dasy2k1 —Preceding
undated comment was added at
05:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC).
I have a Pente game that has the copywrite.... Gabrel 1977 @ Pente Games Co. I don't remember when I got it but it must have been from around that time in Tulsa. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mcsoares ( talk • contribs) 03:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
You have a Pente game that's copywrited in 1977 ,and I remember playing Tessera on a Sega Megadrive many years ago, so the author of the article could do some research to find the games series in electronic form . By the way I happen to be Greek and Tria , Tessera , Pente is er... Greek for 3 , 4 , 5 . 193.92.154.18 00:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I rearranged the paragraphs of the history section into a more chronological order. I'm no expert on Pente, so feel free to work on it more. There are a couple of paragraphs that had line-breaks in them that maybe were meant to be paragraph breaks, though I assumed not. Also, it seems there are some gaps and missing dates in the history. -- Logotu ( talk) 21:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Much of this article is subject to deletion due to violations of
WP:OR and
WP:V, to say nothing of
WP:V
WP:N.
Look, I love Pente as much as the next guy, and only wish my kids didn't have computers so they'd still play it with me. But all these personalized versions that have been added to this article simply don't belong here, for the aforementioned reasons. I'll wait a while for others to comment before returning with my chain saw. Un sch ool 02:43, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
I recently rewrote the article to tone down the original research and other non-encyclopedic content. If it's still a problem, just consider merging any useful info into Go_variants and having both Pente and Megiddo redirect there. Alternatively, you could try to improve the article yourself instead of just pointing out its flaws. 98.86.118.253 ( talk) 00:54, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
I have been playing on a very old pente set. It was being played at Hideaway Pizza in Stillwater, OK ever since I can recall. It is rumored to have been invented there. Can someone check this? I find it unusual that it isn't mentioned here, since it is mentioned in the instructions, itself. And yes, Pente can and is still played by more than 2. 75.108.46.195 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:56, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
The history, rules, and overview of the game are the only sections in the article. I am wondering; when Hasboro sold the rites of the game, was that the last of it? Is pente still played today? Lstockton ( talk) 06:11, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
I noticed that there was a game play link in the references. I removed that and added an exterior links section so the to external links were separated from the references. Shieldsy7 ( talk · contribs) who has been adding yet another game play site has accused me of having an " alterior motive" (I think "ulterior was meant) for removing them. WP:EL is clear. Specifically neither WP:ELYES nor WP:ELMAYBE say anything about this sort of link. WP:ELNO 13, sites that are only indirectly related to the article's subject seems to apply. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 03:54, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
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If an external link is to a page that automatically plays music or other sounds when visited, please add the template ( Page will play audio when loaded)
as a courtesy, according to the principle of least surprise.
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Hey Walter - please see the above bolded sections in support of my claim. Under the reasoning of gameplay should not be linked to sites, I feel like it's only reasonable to compare to other art forms: Under that reasoning, you should not be allowed to link an article to a wiki that contain the article contents - which removes all music linked on wikipedia, any links to trailers or speeches, etc.
I am pushing hard as a game developer - your opinion, if it is that of wikipedia, seems to disqualify gameplay as a relevant piece of information in the artform of games.
I only pushed my comment because you seemed to keep one link that broke the policies of wikipedia to a much higher extent. I added the new link as it is more friendly to more browsers and does not require personal information to be shared.
Shieldsy7 ( talk) 03:58, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Draughts /info/en/?search=Go_(game) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shieldsy7 ( talk • contribs) 04:23, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Hm, seems like I looked at the preponderance of the site "curly" across board games, which seems to lead to a discussion board and provide links to a bunch of playable games. That being said, I still don't agree with your claim that gameplay is not relevant to external links. Is there a way I can make an appeal to an administrator? I think there is quite a body of evidence suggesting that free, accessible links to the content described in a wikipedia article is probably beneficial to wikipedia users, especially when those links are open sourced. Shieldsy7 ( talk) 04:55, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
"...1931 he proposed the change from Go-board with 19x19 intersections to Renju-board with only 15x15 intersections."
https://renju.se/rif/r1rulhis.htm
The board size of Gomoku and Renju was changed in 1931 from the 19x19 Goban to the current 15x15 gomoku size. Omok is a variant that currently uses the 19x19 size still. By the time Gary Gabrel heard of Ninuki-Renju in the 70's, gomoku and renju were already being played on the 15x15 board size. He borrowed the Goban and simplified the Ninuki-Renju first player restrictions to create Pente.
The current standard for gomoku remains the 15x15 board, while Omok, as stated above, uses the older 19x19 board and is closer to kakugo/freestyle gomoku from around 700 AD.
https://www.renju.net/study/rules.php
http://gomokuworld.com/gomoku/1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by T0afer ( talk • contribs) 14:38, 28 July 2021 (UTC)