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It's not like he made any physical damage. Futhermore, why is the notes not made with <ref> and </ref> and <references /> tags? Or inline sources for that matter. -- Ysangkok 18:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I didn't want to place the {{
refstyle}} tag on the main article because although it uses the old {{fn}}
style of referencing it's still clear and consistent. --
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Hi all, the external reference #9 ( http://archives.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/02/15/hacker.security/) does not work (cnn.com reports the is no such page). -- WikiReviewer.de ( talk) 10:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I just read this "paper" (which this article calls pioneering) and found it rather unremarkable. Is it true that these techniques were not known in '95? I tend to doubt it. Maybe unknown to the general public, and even unknown to most programmers, but I'm sure a particular niche of programmer was well aware of it and could have written a much better treatment of the subject. What mudge himself writes seems to show a general lack of understanding; for instance he calls x86 instructions "commands", and to find the machine code he instructs the reader to write C code with asm()
statements, use GCC and look at the binary, when using a simple assembler would do.
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The paper is simplistic by modern standards. But, at the time there were no other papers available on the topic. Hard to believe, but true. This was one of the earliest public papers on the subject. Buffer overflows had only just been demonstrated by groups such as 8lgm but details about how they worked was being held a close secret. Jeff Moss acknowledged at BlackHat 2011 that Aleph1's Phrack paper (smashing the stack for fun and profit) was written after he (Elias aka Aleph1) had requested and received an early copy of the Mudge paper. So Mudge's paper qualifies as pioneering. x86 instructions being referred to as "commands" is non-standard, but acceptable when referencing opcodes and operands. Dr. T.C. Pip ( talk) 20:09, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
I'll add one thing: If you look at the number of buffer overflows in the wild, you'll see a huge spike after the publication of Aleph1's paper, which never went away. Before that paper, buffer overflows were rare; afterwards, common. So, yes, historically speaking, the paper was 100% pioneering. It's a tribute to its success that it's now considered common knowledge. Int80 ( talk) 02:57, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Is the neutrality tag a remnant of a previous discussion? Can it be removed? DouglasCalvert ( talk) 14:39, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
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The latest change 5 days ago added that Julian Assange was also a member of L0pht along with Peiter Zaiko. No references are provided to support this claim and I didn't find any either in the Internet. Either that claim should be removed and the article reverted to the previous version or a reference should be provided. ChusoPR ( talk) 09:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
https://www.vox.com/2017/5/8/15557846/stripe-peiter-mudge-zatko-jon-kaltwasser-security-hire — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.25.110.208 ( talk) 18:52, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus against the proposed move. ( closed by non-admin page mover) feminist (talk) 04:03, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Peiter Zatko →
Mudge (hacker) – Mudge seems to be his
WP:COMMONNAME. Use a disambiguation because there are multiple people named like that.
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This sentence appears to be missing the name of the company (Twitter) at the end
“ In 2020, he was hired as head of security at .”
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"Sarah Zatko said “Dishonesty is definitely something that frustrates him,” says his wife Sarah, ..."
is awkward (repetition of "said"/"says"). I'd recommend to change the paragraph to
"On 11 August 2007 he married Sarah Lieberman, a co-worker at BBN and a former mathematician at the National Security Agency. Remarking about her husband’s time at Twitter in an article in Time Magazine, Sarah Zatko said: “Dishonesty is definitely something that frustrates him”[35]"— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jschauma ( talk • contribs)
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It's not like he made any physical damage. Futhermore, why is the notes not made with <ref> and </ref> and <references /> tags? Or inline sources for that matter. -- Ysangkok 18:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I didn't want to place the {{
refstyle}} tag on the main article because although it uses the old {{fn}}
style of referencing it's still clear and consistent. --
OlEnglish (
Talk)
01:25, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi all, the external reference #9 ( http://archives.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/02/15/hacker.security/) does not work (cnn.com reports the is no such page). -- WikiReviewer.de ( talk) 10:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I just read this "paper" (which this article calls pioneering) and found it rather unremarkable. Is it true that these techniques were not known in '95? I tend to doubt it. Maybe unknown to the general public, and even unknown to most programmers, but I'm sure a particular niche of programmer was well aware of it and could have written a much better treatment of the subject. What mudge himself writes seems to show a general lack of understanding; for instance he calls x86 instructions "commands", and to find the machine code he instructs the reader to write C code with asm()
statements, use GCC and look at the binary, when using a simple assembler would do.
174.31.231.72 (
talk)
17:58, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
The paper is simplistic by modern standards. But, at the time there were no other papers available on the topic. Hard to believe, but true. This was one of the earliest public papers on the subject. Buffer overflows had only just been demonstrated by groups such as 8lgm but details about how they worked was being held a close secret. Jeff Moss acknowledged at BlackHat 2011 that Aleph1's Phrack paper (smashing the stack for fun and profit) was written after he (Elias aka Aleph1) had requested and received an early copy of the Mudge paper. So Mudge's paper qualifies as pioneering. x86 instructions being referred to as "commands" is non-standard, but acceptable when referencing opcodes and operands. Dr. T.C. Pip ( talk) 20:09, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
I'll add one thing: If you look at the number of buffer overflows in the wild, you'll see a huge spike after the publication of Aleph1's paper, which never went away. Before that paper, buffer overflows were rare; afterwards, common. So, yes, historically speaking, the paper was 100% pioneering. It's a tribute to its success that it's now considered common knowledge. Int80 ( talk) 02:57, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Is the neutrality tag a remnant of a previous discussion? Can it be removed? DouglasCalvert ( talk) 14:39, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
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The latest change 5 days ago added that Julian Assange was also a member of L0pht along with Peiter Zaiko. No references are provided to support this claim and I didn't find any either in the Internet. Either that claim should be removed and the article reverted to the previous version or a reference should be provided. ChusoPR ( talk) 09:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
https://www.vox.com/2017/5/8/15557846/stripe-peiter-mudge-zatko-jon-kaltwasser-security-hire — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.25.110.208 ( talk) 18:52, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus against the proposed move. ( closed by non-admin page mover) feminist (talk) 04:03, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Peiter Zatko →
Mudge (hacker) – Mudge seems to be his
WP:COMMONNAME. Use a disambiguation because there are multiple people named like that.
PhotographyEdits (
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17:04, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
This sentence appears to be missing the name of the company (Twitter) at the end
“ In 2020, he was hired as head of security at .”
Viewing on iPhone / search from inside Washington post in case that’s just a rendering problem. 162.217.73.165 ( talk) 19:21, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
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"Sarah Zatko said “Dishonesty is definitely something that frustrates him,” says his wife Sarah, ..."
is awkward (repetition of "said"/"says"). I'd recommend to change the paragraph to
"On 11 August 2007 he married Sarah Lieberman, a co-worker at BBN and a former mathematician at the National Security Agency. Remarking about her husband’s time at Twitter in an article in Time Magazine, Sarah Zatko said: “Dishonesty is definitely something that frustrates him”[35]"— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jschauma ( talk • contribs)