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how is it that turk is older term than Bulgar when great old bulgaria can not be lemon fresh at 600 AD. in order something to be great and old it needs to be at least 100 years old if not more????????????????????????? Bulgars were turkic peoples who migrated from the tataristan today and they were tatars. the term bulgar means mixed.it is a turkish word.so,bulgar is a turkic tribe,a turkic word that the old turks used.that makes turks older than bulgars asterminology.You sound like a man who has a turkic hatred and complex.
Didn't a tribe of Pechengs convert to Zoroastrianism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.5.11.64 ( talk) 02:51, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Byzantine diplomat and scholar Michael Psellos in the 11th century: "They are more difficult to fight and harder to subdue than any other people . . .They wear no breastplates, greaves or helmets, and carry no shields or swords. Their only weapon and sole means of defence is the spear . . .They build no protective palisades or ditches around their camps. In one dense mass, encouraged by sheer desperation, they shout their thunderous war-cries and hurl themselves pell-mell upon their adversaries and push them back, pressing against themselves in solid blocks, like towers, then pursuing them and slaying them without mercy. If on the other hand the opposing force withstands their assault, they turn about and seek safety in flight (Norwich p. 335) . . ."
http://www.geocities.com/egfroth1/Pechenegs.htm
Message for Adam Bishop ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Pechenegs&diff=73043337&oldid=73000533. 1)Wusun is the old chinese pronunciation of Ashina aka 突厥 (Gokturks). 3)The Petchenegs appear after the Western Gokturk Khaganate collapsed. The Khazar rulers were from Ashina. Did my report condense these facts too much? I am sorry. Please re-write.Kaz 01:13, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Just to correct a definition: Max Wasmer's Bacanak does not mean brother in law. That particular word is used only by men. Because it actually means my wife's sister's husband Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 13:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
The Vlachs and the Pechenegs fought against Magyars in 1068 at Chiraleş, in Transilvania and finally lost the battle
Русскій хронографъ, 2,Хронографъ Западно-Русской редакціи,in PSRL, XXII,2, Petrograd, 1914, p.211
V. Spinei, The Romanians and the Turkik nomads North of The Danube Delta from the Tenth to Mid Thirteen Century, Brill, 2009, p.118
Spinei showed the correct date of battle. The cited chronicle is not refused, is cited! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.112.49.190 ( talk) 07:15, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
I found there are persons who deny the old chronicles. In old chronicles KUN is sometime the name of Pechenegs or Cumans. They have close languages. A lot of chronicles made this association. Are we forced to declare unreliable a chronicle for this association and to deny a whole chronicle? I found BorsoKa is a person who denies old chronicles.(Русскій хронографъ, 2,Хронографъ Западно-Русской редакціи,in PSRL, XXII,2, Petrograd, 1914, p.211) Back to negationism ? Eurocentral ( talk) 13:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Those who are interested in reading about the Padjanaks (Pechenegs) and their origin should take a look at The Padjans (Padjanaks, Pechenegs) by Joseph Amyot Padjan. He demonstrates that the Padjanaks were actually the Kushans, and it's pretty hard to disagree with him once you've read his book. He shows that they were actually a tribe of Huns, known as white Huns. Very interesting. Check it out:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/203601298/The-Padjans-Padjanaks-Pechenegs
http://www.josephamyotpadjan.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amongkol ( talk • contribs) 04:37, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
The current map posits that Karakalpaks lived near the Kievan Rus' states. This is false according to the very article about them which says that there is an unproven theory tying Karakalpaks of Uzbekistan to the Kievan Rus' Cherniye Klobuki. Could the map be corrected then?-- Adûnâi ( talk) 15:27, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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how is it that turk is older term than Bulgar when great old bulgaria can not be lemon fresh at 600 AD. in order something to be great and old it needs to be at least 100 years old if not more????????????????????????? Bulgars were turkic peoples who migrated from the tataristan today and they were tatars. the term bulgar means mixed.it is a turkish word.so,bulgar is a turkic tribe,a turkic word that the old turks used.that makes turks older than bulgars asterminology.You sound like a man who has a turkic hatred and complex.
Didn't a tribe of Pechengs convert to Zoroastrianism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.5.11.64 ( talk) 02:51, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Byzantine diplomat and scholar Michael Psellos in the 11th century: "They are more difficult to fight and harder to subdue than any other people . . .They wear no breastplates, greaves or helmets, and carry no shields or swords. Their only weapon and sole means of defence is the spear . . .They build no protective palisades or ditches around their camps. In one dense mass, encouraged by sheer desperation, they shout their thunderous war-cries and hurl themselves pell-mell upon their adversaries and push them back, pressing against themselves in solid blocks, like towers, then pursuing them and slaying them without mercy. If on the other hand the opposing force withstands their assault, they turn about and seek safety in flight (Norwich p. 335) . . ."
http://www.geocities.com/egfroth1/Pechenegs.htm
Message for Adam Bishop ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Pechenegs&diff=73043337&oldid=73000533. 1)Wusun is the old chinese pronunciation of Ashina aka 突厥 (Gokturks). 3)The Petchenegs appear after the Western Gokturk Khaganate collapsed. The Khazar rulers were from Ashina. Did my report condense these facts too much? I am sorry. Please re-write.Kaz 01:13, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Just to correct a definition: Max Wasmer's Bacanak does not mean brother in law. That particular word is used only by men. Because it actually means my wife's sister's husband Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 13:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
The Vlachs and the Pechenegs fought against Magyars in 1068 at Chiraleş, in Transilvania and finally lost the battle
Русскій хронографъ, 2,Хронографъ Западно-Русской редакціи,in PSRL, XXII,2, Petrograd, 1914, p.211
V. Spinei, The Romanians and the Turkik nomads North of The Danube Delta from the Tenth to Mid Thirteen Century, Brill, 2009, p.118
Spinei showed the correct date of battle. The cited chronicle is not refused, is cited! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.112.49.190 ( talk) 07:15, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
I found there are persons who deny the old chronicles. In old chronicles KUN is sometime the name of Pechenegs or Cumans. They have close languages. A lot of chronicles made this association. Are we forced to declare unreliable a chronicle for this association and to deny a whole chronicle? I found BorsoKa is a person who denies old chronicles.(Русскій хронографъ, 2,Хронографъ Западно-Русской редакціи,in PSRL, XXII,2, Petrograd, 1914, p.211) Back to negationism ? Eurocentral ( talk) 13:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Those who are interested in reading about the Padjanaks (Pechenegs) and their origin should take a look at The Padjans (Padjanaks, Pechenegs) by Joseph Amyot Padjan. He demonstrates that the Padjanaks were actually the Kushans, and it's pretty hard to disagree with him once you've read his book. He shows that they were actually a tribe of Huns, known as white Huns. Very interesting. Check it out:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/203601298/The-Padjans-Padjanaks-Pechenegs
http://www.josephamyotpadjan.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amongkol ( talk • contribs) 04:37, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
The current map posits that Karakalpaks lived near the Kievan Rus' states. This is false according to the very article about them which says that there is an unproven theory tying Karakalpaks of Uzbekistan to the Kievan Rus' Cherniye Klobuki. Could the map be corrected then?-- Adûnâi ( talk) 15:27, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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