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-- Kevjonesin ( talk) 19:29, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
hello, we are adding a Carbon storage section on this article. The information includes the affects of mires on the biogeochemical cycling of carbon, the impacts on climate change, and the impacts on the economy, society, and the industries related to mires. Herryhen ( talk) 17:38, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
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We are a group of students at Uppsala University, Sweden, and we have been tasked with improving this article as part of our course 'Ecological Effects of Climate Change'.
Over the next few days, we will be applying our edits to this article, please communicate with us if you have any thoughts to share on what we are doing!
Is there a difference between floating mat and a quagmire or/and quaking bog ?
There are inconsistent numbers used for global fossil fuel emissions or the units are not clear in the "Greenhouse gases and fires" section. Specifically the first sentence says CO2 emissions are 2 Gt-C/yr or 7% of fossil fuel emissions, but later estimates of .81-2.57 Gt is equal to 13% to 40% of fossil fuel emissions.
Separately earlier this sentence is put in, but could be slightly revised (or similar numbers should be put everytime a fraction is mentioned) Due to this, mires are collectively a major carbon store, containing between 500 and 700 billion tonnes of carbon, despite accounting for just 3% of Earth's land surfaces. Why not use Gt as a consistent unit everywhere or indicate equivalence for those not immediately familiar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:5A66:9800:E968:7B82:74B6:B768 ( talk) 02:38, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
Looks like there's confusion and/or contradictions related to mires, bogs, fens, swamps, and marshes. The pages for swamps and marshes say they're not mires, the page for mires say they are. The bog and fen pages agree those are the two different kinds of mires... but the mire page doesn't spend any time differentiating between the two (which pages make the distinction based on pH), and instead has a section on tropical mires, which are mentioned in neither bog nor fen. The page for wetlands at least agrees that bogs and fens are both kinds of mires, but doesn't describe any of them. It also notes the problem of regional variation. Feels like some of these pages could use some clean up, expansion, clarification, and links to external sources... by someone who knows what these all are. I came here to find the differences and found this.
Hi all, I am part of a course at Brown University led by Prof. Baylor Fox-Kemper aiming to update various pages to reflect new findings published in the IPCC AR6 WG1, WG2, and WG3 Reports. * IPCC (2021). Masson-Delmotte, V.; Zhai, P.; Pirani, A.; Connors, S. L.; et al. (eds.). Climate Change 2021: The Physical Science Basis (PDF). Contribution of Working Group I to the Sixth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Cambridge University Press (In Press).
I will keep you updated on my edits for this page.
Current goals include: add a reference to IPCC AR6; update information to be up to date with AR6; emphasize the role of climate change in destroying peatlands and/or their role in fighting climate change; and offer comments and suggestions for future edits. MarinersApartmentLandlord ( talk) 23:12, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
A comment for a more experienced editor to consider:
Should the article be renamed to "Peatland", since this is a more commonly used term than Mire? Just for consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarinersApartmentLandlord ( talk • contribs) 00:16, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
It is unclear why there is a section titled “Greenhouse gases and fires” and another titled just “Fires”. It would be more intuitive to move the discussion on Greenhouse gases to under “Impacts on Global Climate”, and perhaps integrating the Fires section as a sub-section under “Greenhouse gases”.
As for content, the “Greenhouse gases and fires” section needs to be updated to reflect recent developments in scientific research and the state of global climate change. I will try to add a reference to the latest IPCC report.
Additionally, I recommend moving the El Nino Event sentences as well as The Mega Rice Project sentences (everything from “During the El Nino event…” to “...marshes and fens due to rice production.”) into a dedicated sub-section that describes Climate Impacts of Peatland Destruction. This would make this section more clear, distinguish individual events from general trends, and make it easier to keep these sections updated with new scientific information.
Lastly, most of the citations in this section are from before 2010, and should be updated to reflect new scientific developments. (e.g., is it still the case that “The draining of peatlands is probably the most important and long lasting threat to peatlands all over the world but especially in the tropics.”?). However, the IPCC does not dive into much detail on wetlands, so it may also be the case that there is a lack of new research.
MarinersApartmentLandlord ( talk) 00:01, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi @ MarinersApartmentLandlord: and welcome to the page. I took a look at the link you posted to the IPCC AR6 pdf and I am concerned that a substantial number of pages say 'Do Not Cite, Quote, or Distribute'. Is this the version you intended to post? Is there possibly another form that is intended to be released for public consumption? It seems strange that this would be the disclaimer on a final report that is supposed to be shared widely. Looking forward to seeing your contributions and working with you. Best, Kazamzam ( talk) 01:06, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I'm working with peatland experts Drs Terhi Riutta and Caroline Signori-Muller to review this article as part of the WiR for Climate. There's a confusion in this article between mires and peatlands. According to the experts I have been consulting + additional research:
a mire = A peatland where peat is actively being formed, while drained and converted peatlands might still have a peat layer, but are not considered mires, as the formation of new peat has ceased.
a peatland = Peatlands are wetlands whose soils consist almost entirely of organic matter derived from the remains of dead and decaying plant material. From: Creating and Restoring Wetlands, 2016
See also Joosten, H., D. Clark., 2002 (see Table 7.1 here in Science Direct).
The majority of this article is about peatlands, not mires specifically.
I propose moving / renaming this article "Peatland" to 1) align with the existing content on peatlands in the article, 2) match the broader scope of the article (peatlands generally), and 3) align with the term more frequently used in science and on a policy level when discussing these environments. TatjanaClimate ( talk) 10:22, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Material Works 10:21, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
Mire → Peatland – See rationale above. This discussions was initiated on 19 September. TatjanaClimate ( talk) 11:06, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
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This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 04:16, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Talk:Bog/Archive_1#Bogs.2C_Fens_.26_Mires
-- Kevjonesin ( talk) 19:29, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
hello, we are adding a Carbon storage section on this article. The information includes the affects of mires on the biogeochemical cycling of carbon, the impacts on climate change, and the impacts on the economy, society, and the industries related to mires. Herryhen ( talk) 17:38, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 21:52, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi!
We are a group of students at Uppsala University, Sweden, and we have been tasked with improving this article as part of our course 'Ecological Effects of Climate Change'.
Over the next few days, we will be applying our edits to this article, please communicate with us if you have any thoughts to share on what we are doing!
Is there a difference between floating mat and a quagmire or/and quaking bog ?
There are inconsistent numbers used for global fossil fuel emissions or the units are not clear in the "Greenhouse gases and fires" section. Specifically the first sentence says CO2 emissions are 2 Gt-C/yr or 7% of fossil fuel emissions, but later estimates of .81-2.57 Gt is equal to 13% to 40% of fossil fuel emissions.
Separately earlier this sentence is put in, but could be slightly revised (or similar numbers should be put everytime a fraction is mentioned) Due to this, mires are collectively a major carbon store, containing between 500 and 700 billion tonnes of carbon, despite accounting for just 3% of Earth's land surfaces. Why not use Gt as a consistent unit everywhere or indicate equivalence for those not immediately familiar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:5A66:9800:E968:7B82:74B6:B768 ( talk) 02:38, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
Looks like there's confusion and/or contradictions related to mires, bogs, fens, swamps, and marshes. The pages for swamps and marshes say they're not mires, the page for mires say they are. The bog and fen pages agree those are the two different kinds of mires... but the mire page doesn't spend any time differentiating between the two (which pages make the distinction based on pH), and instead has a section on tropical mires, which are mentioned in neither bog nor fen. The page for wetlands at least agrees that bogs and fens are both kinds of mires, but doesn't describe any of them. It also notes the problem of regional variation. Feels like some of these pages could use some clean up, expansion, clarification, and links to external sources... by someone who knows what these all are. I came here to find the differences and found this.
Hi all, I am part of a course at Brown University led by Prof. Baylor Fox-Kemper aiming to update various pages to reflect new findings published in the IPCC AR6 WG1, WG2, and WG3 Reports. * IPCC (2021). Masson-Delmotte, V.; Zhai, P.; Pirani, A.; Connors, S. L.; et al. (eds.). Climate Change 2021: The Physical Science Basis (PDF). Contribution of Working Group I to the Sixth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Cambridge University Press (In Press).
I will keep you updated on my edits for this page.
Current goals include: add a reference to IPCC AR6; update information to be up to date with AR6; emphasize the role of climate change in destroying peatlands and/or their role in fighting climate change; and offer comments and suggestions for future edits. MarinersApartmentLandlord ( talk) 23:12, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
A comment for a more experienced editor to consider:
Should the article be renamed to "Peatland", since this is a more commonly used term than Mire? Just for consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarinersApartmentLandlord ( talk • contribs) 00:16, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
It is unclear why there is a section titled “Greenhouse gases and fires” and another titled just “Fires”. It would be more intuitive to move the discussion on Greenhouse gases to under “Impacts on Global Climate”, and perhaps integrating the Fires section as a sub-section under “Greenhouse gases”.
As for content, the “Greenhouse gases and fires” section needs to be updated to reflect recent developments in scientific research and the state of global climate change. I will try to add a reference to the latest IPCC report.
Additionally, I recommend moving the El Nino Event sentences as well as The Mega Rice Project sentences (everything from “During the El Nino event…” to “...marshes and fens due to rice production.”) into a dedicated sub-section that describes Climate Impacts of Peatland Destruction. This would make this section more clear, distinguish individual events from general trends, and make it easier to keep these sections updated with new scientific information.
Lastly, most of the citations in this section are from before 2010, and should be updated to reflect new scientific developments. (e.g., is it still the case that “The draining of peatlands is probably the most important and long lasting threat to peatlands all over the world but especially in the tropics.”?). However, the IPCC does not dive into much detail on wetlands, so it may also be the case that there is a lack of new research.
MarinersApartmentLandlord ( talk) 00:01, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi @ MarinersApartmentLandlord: and welcome to the page. I took a look at the link you posted to the IPCC AR6 pdf and I am concerned that a substantial number of pages say 'Do Not Cite, Quote, or Distribute'. Is this the version you intended to post? Is there possibly another form that is intended to be released for public consumption? It seems strange that this would be the disclaimer on a final report that is supposed to be shared widely. Looking forward to seeing your contributions and working with you. Best, Kazamzam ( talk) 01:06, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I'm working with peatland experts Drs Terhi Riutta and Caroline Signori-Muller to review this article as part of the WiR for Climate. There's a confusion in this article between mires and peatlands. According to the experts I have been consulting + additional research:
a mire = A peatland where peat is actively being formed, while drained and converted peatlands might still have a peat layer, but are not considered mires, as the formation of new peat has ceased.
a peatland = Peatlands are wetlands whose soils consist almost entirely of organic matter derived from the remains of dead and decaying plant material. From: Creating and Restoring Wetlands, 2016
See also Joosten, H., D. Clark., 2002 (see Table 7.1 here in Science Direct).
The majority of this article is about peatlands, not mires specifically.
I propose moving / renaming this article "Peatland" to 1) align with the existing content on peatlands in the article, 2) match the broader scope of the article (peatlands generally), and 3) align with the term more frequently used in science and on a policy level when discussing these environments. TatjanaClimate ( talk) 10:22, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Material Works 10:21, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
Mire → Peatland – See rationale above. This discussions was initiated on 19 September. TatjanaClimate ( talk) 11:06, 29 September 2023 (UTC)