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The section on The Complete Peanuts needs updating. The series is now complete, after it was extended to 26 volumes rather than the announced 25 (the 26th collects various beyond-the-newspaper-strip Peanuts works by Schulz.) I will not do it myself, as I have a strong WP:COI (I led the group gathering pieces for vol. 26.) -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 19:53, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
There is currently a statement in the text that, except for the run of golf strips, no adult figures were see in the strip. That might be accurate if we said "Schulz-drawn adult figures" (I'm not coming up with exceptions off the top of my head.) However, the veteran's day strip from 1998 merges an old Bill Mauldin Willie & Joe cartoon with some Peanuts content, and if memory serves at least one other Veteran's Day strip contained photo images of people. Oh, and the Washington Crossing The Delaware image on Dec 20, 1999 (don't look for that in the Complete Peanuts, they left out the image overlay that contained the figures. Peanuts 2000 has it.) I will not make the corrections myself due to my Peanuts COI. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 19:20, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
An editor just added a link to AAUGH.com to the external links section. As the owner/operator of that site, I have on obvious conflict of interest with regard to whether the site deserves to be on the list. However, I will suggest that linking to the front page of the site is likely not the best choice, as that is (at this point) primarily a sales page (I'm planning for that to change in the near future... but sometimes my plans don't come through.) I would instead suggest that the link, if it is to remain, be targeted at http://blog.AAUGH.com, which is the news-and-reviews page (in which case the text name for the link should be The Aaugh Blog); or possibly at http://AAUGH.com/guide/ , which is the Peanuts book collecting guide. But probably the former. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 13:50, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
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I requested this 2.5 years ago, to no response, but since I have such a conflict of interest in this matter, I am reluctant to edit this in myself. The part of this article on The Complete Peanuts refer to it as a 25-volume set, and refer to the publication of the 25th volume as the end of it. In actuality, The Complete Peanuts is a 26 volume set, the 26th volume was published in the fall of 2016. You can find the WorldCat entry on it here. I was part of the team gathering the outside-the-strip Peanuts material for it, so as I say, I'm too involved to be the best person to edit this... but it really should be included. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 14:29, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
References 14 and 22 are to two articles from Hogan's Alley magazine, blogged onto their website cartoonician.com. The author for both of them are listed here as Tom Heintjes... but that's the blog's software entry for the user who entered them onto the blog, Hogan's Alley head-honcho. As the introductory paragraphs to both make clear, I am the author of both of those articles. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 06:13, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
The infobox currently lists three parties as each partial "publishers" of Peanuts. This is a misuse of the term; what is being listed are the owners of Peanuts (well, the owners of Peanuts Worldwide LLC, which owns Peanuts), and that's different from publishers. The conflation of owner and publisher s problematic in comics, where a long history of work-for-hire in the comic book business often left the owner and publisher as one and the same, but that is certainly not inherent. DHX does not publish comics. Creative Associates... well, I think they were technically the publishers of some digital editions at some point, but generally, no, that's not what they do. "Publisher" is a term that doesn't make much sense for a syndicated comic strip. Peanuts has been published in book form by many publishers, at any one given point even for American English editions has had multiple publishers pretty much at any time since the early 1960s. It would probably be best to simply do away with this field. Additionally, I'm not certain that Creative Associates owns the smaller portion; the press release on the Sony purchase says it's "members of the family of Charles M. Schulz". (I will not delete the field myself due to a Peanuts conflict of interest.) -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 14:39, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Back in December, Peanuts made a deal with apple to make new specials for apple tv+, is there any information on this, and can someone add it here? Chiz109 ( talk) 23:50, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Heya all, earlier placed the pop culture template on top of the article. I'm concerned in particular with the bottom section Peanuts#Other_licensed_appearances_and_merchandise. A while ago (few years ago I think) I actually split up this section into retail, advertising... etc (yes, it was just a big wall of text) and vaguely hoped that was enough of a push for it to self-organised, but I don't think much has improved since. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a valid to have this section, but it seems a lot of the material written for it has very low quality citations or has none at all. This makes it particularly sensitive to capricious additions that aren't notable or vandalism possibly.
A good example to imitate would be The_Adventures_of_Tintin#Adaptations_and_memorabilia, which goes into appropriate detail into each aspect of how things have been adapted, rather that dwell on pieces of popular culture.
I don't intend to concertedly work on this issue soon, but if anyone would like to make manoeuvrers to address this issue it would be appreciated.
Thank youuuuuu ^_^ Derick1259 ( talk) 20:26, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
Heya all. The section Television and film productions will be split into its own article, which will be titled Peanuts animated specials. What will replace this section is a brief summary of Peanuts animated adaptations in general. This is a bold split, but inline with recommend procedure, I have developed in two sandboxes the replacement summary and the new article. The new article will largely retain the text that was in this section, with an infobox, but nonetheless will be a stub article which I'm sure many of you are keen to develop. The summary I've produced actually has more citations than the entire section I'm splitting out XD.
Speaking of citations, I've written this summary using shortened footnotes. In the future, I will be rewriting and restructuring the entire Peanuts article to use this citation style - this is a topic with significant literature in books and journals, so it will be appropriate. It will look unusual having this hybrid footnote style for a while, and as it happens this summary I wrote uses a fair amount of online resources, but it will be worth it.
Thank you. Derick1259 ( talk) 10:13, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus. ( non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 09:21, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Peanuts →
Peanuts (comic strip) –
WP:ASTONISH DAB from
Peanut,
Peanuts (1996 film),
Peanuts (2006 film),
Peanuts (TV series),
Peanuts (Strength game),
Peanuts (The Police song) and
Peanuts (game). Even though readers are used to seeing things at the plural the nut gets more views [
[1]]. The nut gets 46,959 views but the comic strip has only 20,969 meaning the nut has over 2.2x the views. The other uses of "Peanuts" get 2,250 views meaning the comic strip gets less than 10x the views of the others.
The Peanuts Movie also gets 8,684 views but probably isn't a major contender for "Peanuts" The nut is likely primary by PT#2 (although both are level 4 vital articles) and the comic strip is not clearly primary by PT#1 and per
WP:NOPRIMARY a DAB page makes sense rather than a redirect to
Peanut per
User:Andrewa/Incoming links.
Cars is a primary redirect to
Car even though the film gets similar views so arguably by both long-term significance and pageviews "Peanuts" could be a {{
R from plural}} to
Peanut but at minimum there's no primary topic. The comic strip appears to get its name from the nut and the nut does frequently come in the plural. "Peanuts" appears 126 times in the article
Peanut so its clearly common to refer to the nut in the plural form. A Google search returns mainly results for the nut, as does a Google Images search and Google Books. A site:wikipedia.org Peanuts returns the
Peanut article first then the
Peanuts article. Either "Peanuts" should redirect to
Peanut (disambiguation) (like
Freaks) or become a separate DAB page like
Hearts. In the category namespace where the NC is to use plurals the nut is at
Category:Peanuts and the comic strip is at
Category:Peanuts (comic strip). On Commons,
Commons:Category:Peanuts is also about the nut and the conic strip is at
Commons:Category:Peanuts (comic strip).
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16:32, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
There has been undoings around a release date for Snoopy in Space, due to lack of a source. This should do (while it doesn't say November 1 of what year, obviously if you're saying it now, it's this year.) I will not add it myself due to my Peanuts COI. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 17:08, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
The page number of the Bang Li'l Folks book that covers the use of a dog and of Charlie Brown is page 5. (Although I will note that Li'l Folks was not a continuity strip but unrelated gag panels, and while the name "Charlie Brown" is used four times there, it is not drawn as the same character twice... although the last one, he's buried in the sand and could, I suppose, be any of the earlier three.) As usual, I have a Peanuts COI, not making the change itself, yadda yadda. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 17:23, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
The show featured an audience of children who were seated in the "Peanuts Gallery", and were referred to as "Peanuts". - the name of the bleachers on Howdy Doody was the "peanut gallery", no "s". -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 00:53, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
Currently, the
characters section is unstructured and has zero citations. I am in the course of rewriting this section. I am pretty inspired by the
characters section of The Adventures of Tintin, a Featured Article. I am imitating the basic structure of that, though going into more detail than that does. I am sourcing a lot of stuff from the books of Inge and Michaelis. Going to do big, high-level details of Charlie Brown and Snoopy, Linus and Lucy, and Peppermint Patty and Marcie, and breeze over some of the other supporting characters. I am working on it in my sandbox: User:JAYFAX/sandbox. I guess I'm announcing this because I'm coming to realise that this is going to take forever. I don't know if there's anyway someone can help me, or have access to good sources to write about the Peanuts characters. I don't mind if you wade into my sandbox with some nice additions. Yeah.
JAYFAX (
talk)
20:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
I have rewritten in the characters sections, with vastly more sourced material than before. I haven't actually finished rewriting it, but I'm becoming fatigued from working on this exclusively in my sandbox and I don't think it's good practice to hoard away this volume of writing from sunlight.
Immediate remarks I would like to make, since it is incomplete...
General remarks about the this section:
I am describing this all as a guidance for anyone who would like to also develop this section. I would be happy if anyone would! Copyedit it, etc. It's a long road to GA Status. JAYFAX ( talk) 17:16, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
A recent edit has left the article saying that Peanuts was first animated for the unreleased documentary A Boy Named Charlie Brown in 1963. However, that is not true; they'd been animated years earlier as part of The Tennessee Ernie Ford Show. The documentary was neither the first time they were animated, nor was it the first time it was a full-length animation, as most of the documentary was not animated. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 23:17, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
The statement about A Boy Named Charlie Brown (1963 film) (hey, there's a wikilink to add! And hey, the sourcing I mention here should be added to that article as well) having been produced in 1963 but not sold can be source to A Charlie Brown Christmas: The Making of a Tradition by Lee Mendelson, 2000, p. 11-14. That it's been produced and for sale at the Schulz Museum can be sourced to https://shop.schulzmuseum.org/Products/ABoyNamedCharlieBrownDVD.aspx?skuid=1000401 (yeah, a sales page, not everyone's favorite source. I'm waking up and don't feel like digging further at the moment. The piece about the Jazz Impressions album based on the documentary can be sourced to this reference swiped for the article on the album: {{cite web |url= http://fivecentsplease.org/dpb/ |title= Vince Guaraldi on LP and CD|last= Bang |first=Derrick |date= |website= fivecentsplease.org |publisher= Derrick Bang, Scott McGuire |access-date= January 31, 2020 |quote=}} -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 15:43, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
I removed the patently false claim that Peanuts is "the longest story ever told by one human being." It's just a glib line with nothing backing it up. The source of the line goes on to suggest that Peanuts was "longer than any epic poem," but at 18,250 strips, it's at most only half the length of the Shahnama (an epic poem of 50,000 couplets), for example. - Ishtirak ( talk) 02:41, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Many characters made only short appearances during the strip's duration. For example Shermy, Patty and Violet were core characters when the strip began in 1950. - the most obvious problem with this is that not only was Violet not a core character in 1950, but, as we note later in the article, she didn't appear at all, but premiered in 1951. The other is that none of the characters listed as examples only made short appearances. Shermy was still having speaking parts at times as late as 1969, and Patty and Violet can still be seen occasionally appearing in the late 1990s. They may have been eclipsed as core characters by the Van Pelts, but we're not exactly talking the short runs of Charlotte Braun or Tapioca Pudding, so these three make poor examples of characters that only made only short appearances. (Where it my essay, I'd just add to the first sentence "...the strip's duration, or faded out of prominence.") Please note: I have a strong Peanuts COI, and will not be making these edits myself. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 13:12, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
An IP editor recently changed the date of Woodstock's first appearance, and was reverted by Wizzito with the edit summary "Rv date fuckery".
I just wanted to note that this is not "fuckery". While there are sources that give the April 1967 date, as I've previously noted at Talk:Woodstock_(Peanuts)#First_appearance_date_is_controversial, the earlier date is sourcable and likely correct. I am not going to be editing in the details and sources myself, both because I'm retired from article editing (and most commenting, this is just something I am multiply involved in -- although before anyone suggests it, no, I was not that IP editor), and because there is a strong conflict of interest, as the most obvious source to use is one that I wrote. I just don't like seeing someone unfairly accused. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 13:16, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
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Among the sources cited here is an article by my wife, Renee Tawa. For some inexplicable reason, her name appears here as "Reta" I am not attaching anything since the source is linked. However, for reasons I cannot begin to explain, her name is misspelled on the LAT page as "Rene"--which is a man's name. Her name is Renee.
Tawa, Reta (December 25, 2014). "Beloved 'Peanuts' creator Charles Schulz is mourned worldwide". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved January 25, 2020.
David Gordon 2600:1702:31B0:D700:7198:A7A2:C0B5:1AEB ( talk) 12:03, 19 September 2022 (UTC) 2600:1702:31B0:D700:7198:A7A2:C0B5:1AEB ( talk) 12:03, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
I am not going to make any changes myself, because of my Peanuts WP:COI, but it seems to me that the final paragraph has snowballed into a mess of oddly-picked details that don't fit with the bigger picture sensibility that an intro should have.
Going sentence by sentence:
First off, it should probably be "has achieved", as new Peanuts specials continue to be produced. Secondly, it seems odd to highlight Great Pumpkin here, as it did not win an Emmy, when there are other specials (such as A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving) which did. Perhaps better something to the effect of "Peanuts has achieved considerable success with its television specials. The first special, A Charlie Brown Christmas, won an Emmy, and subsequent specials have won four more Emmys, from a total of over 30 nominations. (The five-emmys-and-over-thirty-noms figure can be cited to the book Charles M. Schulz: The Art and Life of the Peanuts Creator in 100 Objects, cowritten by Benjamin L. Clark and myself, published by The Charles M. Schulz Museum and Research Center, 2022, page 140.
It seems unbalanced not to mention its network home of more than three decades and the next network home of two decades but to name the corporate host of three years. Possibly "The Peanuts holiday specials remain popular, having been regularly broadcast on commercial television networks for over 50 years before moving to streaming in 2020.
This is just a picky level of detail that has no space in the introduction. We're not going into the array of other ways the specials have been used (various home video media, cable networks running less-known specials, Viewmaster reels, etc.), not to mention the dubious accuracy of saying that they "could not" renew the contract when they merely did not. This whole sentence should be given the ol' Charlotte Braun ax.
I'm not sure how we measure "success" in theater -- it's a term that applies to You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown almost no matter how you define it, but more dubiously to Snoopy: The Musical, and definition-dependebtly to the recent A Charlie Brown Christmas stagings.
So we've bounced from the animated specials to theater and then back again?
Picking one of five feature films and then going into detail on the subsequent ownership history of its production companies seems odd and a matter of recentism. For those last three sentences, bop the TV Guide sentence to the top of that batch, and maybe combine the other two into "Peanuts has been successfully adapted into both motion pictures (with five animated feature films released between 1969 and 2015) and theatre (with the notable success of the musical You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown).
I've said my piece, and shall leave it to others to decide if my suggestions are worth implementing. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 14:42, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
The article currently claims that "Peanuts" focuses entirely on a social circle of young children, which doesn't explain the many, many strips that are just Snoopy and Woodstock, or Spike and cacti. I suggest removing the "entirely". -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 17:29, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
We need to add a list of the Peanuts video games! It would go great in the Adaptions section of the Peanuts page. 74.132.203.31 ( talk) 23:04, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Since we make a point of "In 2016, the 31-year licensing relationship with MetLife ended", it may be worth noting that relationship resumed in 2023, albeit on a more limited basis. (just for their pet insurance.) -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 17:22, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
I've known and seen a lot of people call Peanuts just the Charlie Brown or Snoopy comic strip but I don't really have many sources proving this. Am I wrong, and even if I had sources would I be able to add this SpriteSens ( talk) 11:41, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
The article currently includes One strip on May 20, 1962, even had an icon that stated "Defend Freedom, Buy US Savings Bonds.", and yes, it's true that that strip had that logo in it (and that strip is the only source given for the statement.) Thing is, this may not be due for inclusion, and if it is, we need to remove the "even" that makes it sound like it's unusual. Including small savings bond ads in comic strips was quite normal during World War II, and even in 1962, there were a number of strips taking part in that campaign. For example, here's a Strictly Business cartoon, here's Rick O'Shay, Judge Parker, Dixie Dugan. Barring the discovery of some knowing, reliable third-party source indicating that this plug is worth of mention, it's probably best to delete that sentence. I will not be doing so because of WP:COI -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 06:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
@ ChrisP2K5: You added a comment that Schulz did not see his final Peanuts strip published. This is not the case, as some papers still at the time distributed the non-news sections of their Sunday paper on Saturday. Schulz was, I am told, shown a copy from one such paper before his death. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 17:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
This edit replaced the descriptor of Franklin-suggester Harriet Glickman as "white" with "Jewish", and with good reason, as her Jewish background was indeed a motivator for her. However, the fact that she was white (or at least not Black) is important to the dynamics of the tale... and despite what people may assume, there are indeed Black Jews in America, so saying she's Jewish does not erase that.
I was a friend of Harriet's and will not be restoring the information that she was white due to WP:COI reasons, but I ask that others consider the case above and, if they deem it proper, add "white". -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 21:17, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
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The section on The Complete Peanuts needs updating. The series is now complete, after it was extended to 26 volumes rather than the announced 25 (the 26th collects various beyond-the-newspaper-strip Peanuts works by Schulz.) I will not do it myself, as I have a strong WP:COI (I led the group gathering pieces for vol. 26.) -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 19:53, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
There is currently a statement in the text that, except for the run of golf strips, no adult figures were see in the strip. That might be accurate if we said "Schulz-drawn adult figures" (I'm not coming up with exceptions off the top of my head.) However, the veteran's day strip from 1998 merges an old Bill Mauldin Willie & Joe cartoon with some Peanuts content, and if memory serves at least one other Veteran's Day strip contained photo images of people. Oh, and the Washington Crossing The Delaware image on Dec 20, 1999 (don't look for that in the Complete Peanuts, they left out the image overlay that contained the figures. Peanuts 2000 has it.) I will not make the corrections myself due to my Peanuts COI. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 19:20, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
An editor just added a link to AAUGH.com to the external links section. As the owner/operator of that site, I have on obvious conflict of interest with regard to whether the site deserves to be on the list. However, I will suggest that linking to the front page of the site is likely not the best choice, as that is (at this point) primarily a sales page (I'm planning for that to change in the near future... but sometimes my plans don't come through.) I would instead suggest that the link, if it is to remain, be targeted at http://blog.AAUGH.com, which is the news-and-reviews page (in which case the text name for the link should be The Aaugh Blog); or possibly at http://AAUGH.com/guide/ , which is the Peanuts book collecting guide. But probably the former. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 13:50, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
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I requested this 2.5 years ago, to no response, but since I have such a conflict of interest in this matter, I am reluctant to edit this in myself. The part of this article on The Complete Peanuts refer to it as a 25-volume set, and refer to the publication of the 25th volume as the end of it. In actuality, The Complete Peanuts is a 26 volume set, the 26th volume was published in the fall of 2016. You can find the WorldCat entry on it here. I was part of the team gathering the outside-the-strip Peanuts material for it, so as I say, I'm too involved to be the best person to edit this... but it really should be included. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 14:29, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
References 14 and 22 are to two articles from Hogan's Alley magazine, blogged onto their website cartoonician.com. The author for both of them are listed here as Tom Heintjes... but that's the blog's software entry for the user who entered them onto the blog, Hogan's Alley head-honcho. As the introductory paragraphs to both make clear, I am the author of both of those articles. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 06:13, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
The infobox currently lists three parties as each partial "publishers" of Peanuts. This is a misuse of the term; what is being listed are the owners of Peanuts (well, the owners of Peanuts Worldwide LLC, which owns Peanuts), and that's different from publishers. The conflation of owner and publisher s problematic in comics, where a long history of work-for-hire in the comic book business often left the owner and publisher as one and the same, but that is certainly not inherent. DHX does not publish comics. Creative Associates... well, I think they were technically the publishers of some digital editions at some point, but generally, no, that's not what they do. "Publisher" is a term that doesn't make much sense for a syndicated comic strip. Peanuts has been published in book form by many publishers, at any one given point even for American English editions has had multiple publishers pretty much at any time since the early 1960s. It would probably be best to simply do away with this field. Additionally, I'm not certain that Creative Associates owns the smaller portion; the press release on the Sony purchase says it's "members of the family of Charles M. Schulz". (I will not delete the field myself due to a Peanuts conflict of interest.) -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 14:39, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Back in December, Peanuts made a deal with apple to make new specials for apple tv+, is there any information on this, and can someone add it here? Chiz109 ( talk) 23:50, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Heya all, earlier placed the pop culture template on top of the article. I'm concerned in particular with the bottom section Peanuts#Other_licensed_appearances_and_merchandise. A while ago (few years ago I think) I actually split up this section into retail, advertising... etc (yes, it was just a big wall of text) and vaguely hoped that was enough of a push for it to self-organised, but I don't think much has improved since. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a valid to have this section, but it seems a lot of the material written for it has very low quality citations or has none at all. This makes it particularly sensitive to capricious additions that aren't notable or vandalism possibly.
A good example to imitate would be The_Adventures_of_Tintin#Adaptations_and_memorabilia, which goes into appropriate detail into each aspect of how things have been adapted, rather that dwell on pieces of popular culture.
I don't intend to concertedly work on this issue soon, but if anyone would like to make manoeuvrers to address this issue it would be appreciated.
Thank youuuuuu ^_^ Derick1259 ( talk) 20:26, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
Heya all. The section Television and film productions will be split into its own article, which will be titled Peanuts animated specials. What will replace this section is a brief summary of Peanuts animated adaptations in general. This is a bold split, but inline with recommend procedure, I have developed in two sandboxes the replacement summary and the new article. The new article will largely retain the text that was in this section, with an infobox, but nonetheless will be a stub article which I'm sure many of you are keen to develop. The summary I've produced actually has more citations than the entire section I'm splitting out XD.
Speaking of citations, I've written this summary using shortened footnotes. In the future, I will be rewriting and restructuring the entire Peanuts article to use this citation style - this is a topic with significant literature in books and journals, so it will be appropriate. It will look unusual having this hybrid footnote style for a while, and as it happens this summary I wrote uses a fair amount of online resources, but it will be worth it.
Thank you. Derick1259 ( talk) 10:13, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus. ( non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 09:21, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Peanuts →
Peanuts (comic strip) –
WP:ASTONISH DAB from
Peanut,
Peanuts (1996 film),
Peanuts (2006 film),
Peanuts (TV series),
Peanuts (Strength game),
Peanuts (The Police song) and
Peanuts (game). Even though readers are used to seeing things at the plural the nut gets more views [
[1]]. The nut gets 46,959 views but the comic strip has only 20,969 meaning the nut has over 2.2x the views. The other uses of "Peanuts" get 2,250 views meaning the comic strip gets less than 10x the views of the others.
The Peanuts Movie also gets 8,684 views but probably isn't a major contender for "Peanuts" The nut is likely primary by PT#2 (although both are level 4 vital articles) and the comic strip is not clearly primary by PT#1 and per
WP:NOPRIMARY a DAB page makes sense rather than a redirect to
Peanut per
User:Andrewa/Incoming links.
Cars is a primary redirect to
Car even though the film gets similar views so arguably by both long-term significance and pageviews "Peanuts" could be a {{
R from plural}} to
Peanut but at minimum there's no primary topic. The comic strip appears to get its name from the nut and the nut does frequently come in the plural. "Peanuts" appears 126 times in the article
Peanut so its clearly common to refer to the nut in the plural form. A Google search returns mainly results for the nut, as does a Google Images search and Google Books. A site:wikipedia.org Peanuts returns the
Peanut article first then the
Peanuts article. Either "Peanuts" should redirect to
Peanut (disambiguation) (like
Freaks) or become a separate DAB page like
Hearts. In the category namespace where the NC is to use plurals the nut is at
Category:Peanuts and the comic strip is at
Category:Peanuts (comic strip). On Commons,
Commons:Category:Peanuts is also about the nut and the conic strip is at
Commons:Category:Peanuts (comic strip).
Crouch, Swale (
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16:32, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
There has been undoings around a release date for Snoopy in Space, due to lack of a source. This should do (while it doesn't say November 1 of what year, obviously if you're saying it now, it's this year.) I will not add it myself due to my Peanuts COI. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 17:08, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
The page number of the Bang Li'l Folks book that covers the use of a dog and of Charlie Brown is page 5. (Although I will note that Li'l Folks was not a continuity strip but unrelated gag panels, and while the name "Charlie Brown" is used four times there, it is not drawn as the same character twice... although the last one, he's buried in the sand and could, I suppose, be any of the earlier three.) As usual, I have a Peanuts COI, not making the change itself, yadda yadda. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 17:23, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
The show featured an audience of children who were seated in the "Peanuts Gallery", and were referred to as "Peanuts". - the name of the bleachers on Howdy Doody was the "peanut gallery", no "s". -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 00:53, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
Currently, the
characters section is unstructured and has zero citations. I am in the course of rewriting this section. I am pretty inspired by the
characters section of The Adventures of Tintin, a Featured Article. I am imitating the basic structure of that, though going into more detail than that does. I am sourcing a lot of stuff from the books of Inge and Michaelis. Going to do big, high-level details of Charlie Brown and Snoopy, Linus and Lucy, and Peppermint Patty and Marcie, and breeze over some of the other supporting characters. I am working on it in my sandbox: User:JAYFAX/sandbox. I guess I'm announcing this because I'm coming to realise that this is going to take forever. I don't know if there's anyway someone can help me, or have access to good sources to write about the Peanuts characters. I don't mind if you wade into my sandbox with some nice additions. Yeah.
JAYFAX (
talk)
20:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
I have rewritten in the characters sections, with vastly more sourced material than before. I haven't actually finished rewriting it, but I'm becoming fatigued from working on this exclusively in my sandbox and I don't think it's good practice to hoard away this volume of writing from sunlight.
Immediate remarks I would like to make, since it is incomplete...
General remarks about the this section:
I am describing this all as a guidance for anyone who would like to also develop this section. I would be happy if anyone would! Copyedit it, etc. It's a long road to GA Status. JAYFAX ( talk) 17:16, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
A recent edit has left the article saying that Peanuts was first animated for the unreleased documentary A Boy Named Charlie Brown in 1963. However, that is not true; they'd been animated years earlier as part of The Tennessee Ernie Ford Show. The documentary was neither the first time they were animated, nor was it the first time it was a full-length animation, as most of the documentary was not animated. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 23:17, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
The statement about A Boy Named Charlie Brown (1963 film) (hey, there's a wikilink to add! And hey, the sourcing I mention here should be added to that article as well) having been produced in 1963 but not sold can be source to A Charlie Brown Christmas: The Making of a Tradition by Lee Mendelson, 2000, p. 11-14. That it's been produced and for sale at the Schulz Museum can be sourced to https://shop.schulzmuseum.org/Products/ABoyNamedCharlieBrownDVD.aspx?skuid=1000401 (yeah, a sales page, not everyone's favorite source. I'm waking up and don't feel like digging further at the moment. The piece about the Jazz Impressions album based on the documentary can be sourced to this reference swiped for the article on the album: {{cite web |url= http://fivecentsplease.org/dpb/ |title= Vince Guaraldi on LP and CD|last= Bang |first=Derrick |date= |website= fivecentsplease.org |publisher= Derrick Bang, Scott McGuire |access-date= January 31, 2020 |quote=}} -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 15:43, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
I removed the patently false claim that Peanuts is "the longest story ever told by one human being." It's just a glib line with nothing backing it up. The source of the line goes on to suggest that Peanuts was "longer than any epic poem," but at 18,250 strips, it's at most only half the length of the Shahnama (an epic poem of 50,000 couplets), for example. - Ishtirak ( talk) 02:41, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Many characters made only short appearances during the strip's duration. For example Shermy, Patty and Violet were core characters when the strip began in 1950. - the most obvious problem with this is that not only was Violet not a core character in 1950, but, as we note later in the article, she didn't appear at all, but premiered in 1951. The other is that none of the characters listed as examples only made short appearances. Shermy was still having speaking parts at times as late as 1969, and Patty and Violet can still be seen occasionally appearing in the late 1990s. They may have been eclipsed as core characters by the Van Pelts, but we're not exactly talking the short runs of Charlotte Braun or Tapioca Pudding, so these three make poor examples of characters that only made only short appearances. (Where it my essay, I'd just add to the first sentence "...the strip's duration, or faded out of prominence.") Please note: I have a strong Peanuts COI, and will not be making these edits myself. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 13:12, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
An IP editor recently changed the date of Woodstock's first appearance, and was reverted by Wizzito with the edit summary "Rv date fuckery".
I just wanted to note that this is not "fuckery". While there are sources that give the April 1967 date, as I've previously noted at Talk:Woodstock_(Peanuts)#First_appearance_date_is_controversial, the earlier date is sourcable and likely correct. I am not going to be editing in the details and sources myself, both because I'm retired from article editing (and most commenting, this is just something I am multiply involved in -- although before anyone suggests it, no, I was not that IP editor), and because there is a strong conflict of interest, as the most obvious source to use is one that I wrote. I just don't like seeing someone unfairly accused. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 13:16, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
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Among the sources cited here is an article by my wife, Renee Tawa. For some inexplicable reason, her name appears here as "Reta" I am not attaching anything since the source is linked. However, for reasons I cannot begin to explain, her name is misspelled on the LAT page as "Rene"--which is a man's name. Her name is Renee.
Tawa, Reta (December 25, 2014). "Beloved 'Peanuts' creator Charles Schulz is mourned worldwide". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved January 25, 2020.
David Gordon 2600:1702:31B0:D700:7198:A7A2:C0B5:1AEB ( talk) 12:03, 19 September 2022 (UTC) 2600:1702:31B0:D700:7198:A7A2:C0B5:1AEB ( talk) 12:03, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
I am not going to make any changes myself, because of my Peanuts WP:COI, but it seems to me that the final paragraph has snowballed into a mess of oddly-picked details that don't fit with the bigger picture sensibility that an intro should have.
Going sentence by sentence:
First off, it should probably be "has achieved", as new Peanuts specials continue to be produced. Secondly, it seems odd to highlight Great Pumpkin here, as it did not win an Emmy, when there are other specials (such as A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving) which did. Perhaps better something to the effect of "Peanuts has achieved considerable success with its television specials. The first special, A Charlie Brown Christmas, won an Emmy, and subsequent specials have won four more Emmys, from a total of over 30 nominations. (The five-emmys-and-over-thirty-noms figure can be cited to the book Charles M. Schulz: The Art and Life of the Peanuts Creator in 100 Objects, cowritten by Benjamin L. Clark and myself, published by The Charles M. Schulz Museum and Research Center, 2022, page 140.
It seems unbalanced not to mention its network home of more than three decades and the next network home of two decades but to name the corporate host of three years. Possibly "The Peanuts holiday specials remain popular, having been regularly broadcast on commercial television networks for over 50 years before moving to streaming in 2020.
This is just a picky level of detail that has no space in the introduction. We're not going into the array of other ways the specials have been used (various home video media, cable networks running less-known specials, Viewmaster reels, etc.), not to mention the dubious accuracy of saying that they "could not" renew the contract when they merely did not. This whole sentence should be given the ol' Charlotte Braun ax.
I'm not sure how we measure "success" in theater -- it's a term that applies to You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown almost no matter how you define it, but more dubiously to Snoopy: The Musical, and definition-dependebtly to the recent A Charlie Brown Christmas stagings.
So we've bounced from the animated specials to theater and then back again?
Picking one of five feature films and then going into detail on the subsequent ownership history of its production companies seems odd and a matter of recentism. For those last three sentences, bop the TV Guide sentence to the top of that batch, and maybe combine the other two into "Peanuts has been successfully adapted into both motion pictures (with five animated feature films released between 1969 and 2015) and theatre (with the notable success of the musical You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown).
I've said my piece, and shall leave it to others to decide if my suggestions are worth implementing. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 14:42, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
The article currently claims that "Peanuts" focuses entirely on a social circle of young children, which doesn't explain the many, many strips that are just Snoopy and Woodstock, or Spike and cacti. I suggest removing the "entirely". -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 17:29, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
We need to add a list of the Peanuts video games! It would go great in the Adaptions section of the Peanuts page. 74.132.203.31 ( talk) 23:04, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Since we make a point of "In 2016, the 31-year licensing relationship with MetLife ended", it may be worth noting that relationship resumed in 2023, albeit on a more limited basis. (just for their pet insurance.) -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 17:22, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
I've known and seen a lot of people call Peanuts just the Charlie Brown or Snoopy comic strip but I don't really have many sources proving this. Am I wrong, and even if I had sources would I be able to add this SpriteSens ( talk) 11:41, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
The article currently includes One strip on May 20, 1962, even had an icon that stated "Defend Freedom, Buy US Savings Bonds.", and yes, it's true that that strip had that logo in it (and that strip is the only source given for the statement.) Thing is, this may not be due for inclusion, and if it is, we need to remove the "even" that makes it sound like it's unusual. Including small savings bond ads in comic strips was quite normal during World War II, and even in 1962, there were a number of strips taking part in that campaign. For example, here's a Strictly Business cartoon, here's Rick O'Shay, Judge Parker, Dixie Dugan. Barring the discovery of some knowing, reliable third-party source indicating that this plug is worth of mention, it's probably best to delete that sentence. I will not be doing so because of WP:COI -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 06:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
@ ChrisP2K5: You added a comment that Schulz did not see his final Peanuts strip published. This is not the case, as some papers still at the time distributed the non-news sections of their Sunday paper on Saturday. Schulz was, I am told, shown a copy from one such paper before his death. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 17:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
This edit replaced the descriptor of Franklin-suggester Harriet Glickman as "white" with "Jewish", and with good reason, as her Jewish background was indeed a motivator for her. However, the fact that she was white (or at least not Black) is important to the dynamics of the tale... and despite what people may assume, there are indeed Black Jews in America, so saying she's Jewish does not erase that.
I was a friend of Harriet's and will not be restoring the information that she was white due to WP:COI reasons, but I ask that others consider the case above and, if they deem it proper, add "white". -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 21:17, 28 February 2024 (UTC)