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It seems odd that both "groszes" and "groshes" are used in the same paragraph, apparently for the same thing. I don't know beans about them, though, so I don't know what the right word is. Jordan Brown 04:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Called "First Peace of Thorn" in recent sources 1411 "first peace of" date:1993-2007. The town of Thorn did not change its name to a Polish one anyway, not in 1411, not in 1466, but only after 1919.-- Matthead discuß! O 21:33, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I've got some additional information on the terms of this treaty, from an interesting source. I've been reading The Letters of John Hus, translated by Matthew Spinka (ISBN: 0874710219 9780874710212). In it is a letter dated in 1411 from Hus to the King of Poland, congratulating him on the win. It also mentions many of the terms from the treaty, and asks where the two swords are that the Teutonics gave the Poles before the battle in order to mock them. Noteworthy in the terms is that the Teutonics had to pledge 300 knights to the defense of the Polish king, if Bohemia ever attacked the Poles. Would some of this be worth quoting and including? Thanks! -- Dulcimerist ( talk) 18:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move. JPG-GR ( talk) 07:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
According to WP:COMMONNAME, an article's title should be at the most common phrasing used in English.
The following is a perusal of Google Books. Google results by themselves can be fickle and the exact numbers may differ depending when a query is conducted, but the proportions indicate primary English usage.
An examination of Google Books publications indicates the predominance of "Thorn" over Toruń/Torun in historical usage. Although there are many older publications within the results, newer books still slightly prefer Thorn over Toruń/Torun ( [1] [2]; [3] [4]). Although the city Toruń is in modern Poland, this is an article about a historic treaty. The better titles seem to me to be First Peace of Thorn or Peace of Thorn (1411). The current title, Peace of Toruń (1411), is rarely used in English compared to the alternatives. Olessi ( talk) 05:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Molobo advertised this discussion at Portal talk:Poland/Poland-related Wikipedia notice board#Important voting. I have subsequently listed it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Middle Ages/General#Medieval peace treaties and Wikipedia talk:German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board#Medieval peace treaties. Olessi ( talk) 15:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Comment: Suggesting a move to
First Peace of Thorn (1411) according to
Second Peace of Thorn (1466). The move request there is closed.--
Matthead
Discuß 21:23, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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It seems odd that both "groszes" and "groshes" are used in the same paragraph, apparently for the same thing. I don't know beans about them, though, so I don't know what the right word is. Jordan Brown 04:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Called "First Peace of Thorn" in recent sources 1411 "first peace of" date:1993-2007. The town of Thorn did not change its name to a Polish one anyway, not in 1411, not in 1466, but only after 1919.-- Matthead discuß! O 21:33, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I've got some additional information on the terms of this treaty, from an interesting source. I've been reading The Letters of John Hus, translated by Matthew Spinka (ISBN: 0874710219 9780874710212). In it is a letter dated in 1411 from Hus to the King of Poland, congratulating him on the win. It also mentions many of the terms from the treaty, and asks where the two swords are that the Teutonics gave the Poles before the battle in order to mock them. Noteworthy in the terms is that the Teutonics had to pledge 300 knights to the defense of the Polish king, if Bohemia ever attacked the Poles. Would some of this be worth quoting and including? Thanks! -- Dulcimerist ( talk) 18:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move. JPG-GR ( talk) 07:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
According to WP:COMMONNAME, an article's title should be at the most common phrasing used in English.
The following is a perusal of Google Books. Google results by themselves can be fickle and the exact numbers may differ depending when a query is conducted, but the proportions indicate primary English usage.
An examination of Google Books publications indicates the predominance of "Thorn" over Toruń/Torun in historical usage. Although there are many older publications within the results, newer books still slightly prefer Thorn over Toruń/Torun ( [1] [2]; [3] [4]). Although the city Toruń is in modern Poland, this is an article about a historic treaty. The better titles seem to me to be First Peace of Thorn or Peace of Thorn (1411). The current title, Peace of Toruń (1411), is rarely used in English compared to the alternatives. Olessi ( talk) 05:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Molobo advertised this discussion at Portal talk:Poland/Poland-related Wikipedia notice board#Important voting. I have subsequently listed it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Middle Ages/General#Medieval peace treaties and Wikipedia talk:German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board#Medieval peace treaties. Olessi ( talk) 15:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Comment: Suggesting a move to
First Peace of Thorn (1411) according to
Second Peace of Thorn (1466). The move request there is closed.--
Matthead
Discuß 21:23, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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