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Does anyone else feel the criticism section is a bit disjointed and incoherent? Also I feel that some of the diction needs improvement. Alvie3 00:29, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
i think this article really doesn't even need a criticism section, at least not as it is. if there's actual criticism, the section has merit, but the current criticism section offers no criticism beyond "we all stand together was a bad song." and the rest of it is just vague references of him being "soft edged" or "not so soft edged". bland.
I don't have "Wingspan" so I can't comment on the exact given quote. On the other hand, Lennon's quote on it was "daft", and McCartney has been quoted in Miles and (via Linda) in Playboy as "daft." Daft strikes me as more what Lennon would say, and so my suggestion is to use the Miles quote. The Playboy quote is second hand:
I wish people would understand that we're writing an encyclopedia not a chronicle or a newspaper. Recent additions have paragraphs starting:
This is very dull prose and suggestive of an article thrown together by anons from news reports. Can we tidy these new additions so that they have historical perspective and fit into the existing narrative? We might want to lose altogether mention of the forthcoming album as it's not out yet. -- kingboyk 15:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Who are the people Paul McCartney played with at Live 8? I mean the two guitarists, the pianist and the drummer? 77.162.32.197 20:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
This article suffered from multiple and repeated deletion vandalism. I restored a bit that wasn't missed.
However, I think the Genre has been vandalized, but as I'm not a music expert, I'm unwilling to restore the Genre to an older version without some sort of concensus.
At one point the Genre was:
Genre =
Rock
Pop
Rock and roll
Soft rock
Psychedelic rock
and it's now:
Genre =
Pop-rock
Rock & roll
Classical music
Ambient music
I personally think the older one is correct. Sockettome 08:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Under record-breaker it says "McCartney has achieved 24 number-ones in the U.K.: solo (1), Wings (1), with Stevie Wonder (1), Ferry Aid (1), Band Aid (1), Band Aid 20 (1) and the Beatles (17)." The numbers add up to 23 not not 24. What's up? 75.177.84.51 21:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
If you look at the photo of Sutcliffe and Harrison on the Stuart Sutcliffe page, you will see a left-handed Hofner bass by Sutcliffes's leg, on the left. How is that possible when Macca started playing bass after Sutcliffe left?? Something is amiss here, methinks... andreasegde 14:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I added the occupations of the children - 7 words - because readers might want to know which of the children is which. If we're worried about space, then we can remove "and the reception included a vegetarian banquet." from the Heather Mills paragraph. Tvoz | talk 19:12, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
I have just realised that Dot Rhone is not in, which is terrible because she was his first girlfriend/shag and almost married her. egde 17:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, Dot Rhone is very relevant. It's a biography, for fuck's sake-- Crestville 17:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
The "Beatles" section seems to chronicle the Beatles' rise and fall and whatnot, but there's very little relating to Paul's role in the Beatles, and his associated place in music history. I mean the guy was pretty much the driving force behind Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road, but there's literally no mention; I think he deserves some credit there. The Beatles chronology belongs in the Beatles article. Look at the Ringo Starr article for a good role model. It's much more condensed, much more relevant to the topic. 24.11.154.189 04:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I've heard him referred to as Macca before though it is not mentioned in the article. Shouldn't it be mentioned? I assume it is a abbreviation of sorts for the last name McCartney, right? -- Cab88 13:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
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Why do we need to put "known as Paul McCartney" after "Sir James Paul McCartney? It should be obvious, as the title of the article is "Paul McCartney". If he was better known as "Sir James Paul McCartney", that would be the title of the article. Why the confusion? -- DearPrudence 21:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Guess what? they are thick! They either come in and describe him as "Sir Paul", elevate him to KBE, or remove his Knighthood because they say "he's only an MBE." Is that thick or is that thick? And I don't believe you Steve! This is how The Beatles project was ripped to pieces!!! Well, I've had enough of your silly little compendium. I'm off lad, I've got a real job to do, I'm proud to do it, even for the thickies. Say bye bye Sooty: "Bye bye Sooty." citation needed Vera, Chuck & Dave 13:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Re: "Where else would you place the important fact that his legal name is (now) "Sir James...", ...":
McCartney's legal name is not Sir James Paul McCartney. Sir is a form of address; it is not part of a name. TheScotch 06:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Obviously a form of address is a reference; that doesn't make it a name. "Mister" is not part of your name. Even though he's been knighted, McCartney has as much right to call himself "mister" as you do. Arthur Conan Doyle was knighted, and he was a medical doctor (although he eventually gave up his practice). That makes him alternatively Mr. Arthur Conan Doyle, Dr. Arthur Conan Doyle, or Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. Neither Mr., Dr., nor Sir is (or ever was) part of his name. TheScotch 06:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you can explain who this person is and why I should care. I don't know how hard it is to renounce a knighthood (and as an American I don't suppose I'll ever know), but a name, in contradistinction to a title, isn't all that hard to dispose of legally--at least in the United States it isn't. TheScotch ( talk) 10:15, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone tell me whether he was called James or Paul by his family and friends prior to Beatledom or did he just decide himself to go by his middle name when the Beatles started to take off (or perhaps some time earlier)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.167.174 ( talk) 06:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I've seen a couple references today that are simply posts or comments on things saying Paul McCartney 1941-2007 RIP. Sure its not true, just figured i'd point it out in case someone tries to put it in the article -- Pollard666 07:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I vaguely recall a report that McCartney released some kind of dance record under the name "Big M" at some point. Can't find anything in the article or online about it, anyone else heard of it? Exxolon 02:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
This is on John Lennon's page too so I'm going to mention this again; since when has Paul McCartney won an Academy Award?
Should they possibly have a mention in the article? Mr Richardson 14:20, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
On youtube there is a video from a radio station featuring John Lennon. the main question was about the Paul is Dead rumor, even John says it was just a joke and some people people took it was to far! gameplaya 4:53 September 23, 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.198.104.92 ( talk) 20:53, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
In view of the amount of vandalism, I am very wary about any new Paul Mccartney 'fact' that I have not seen before. I would be surprised if he owned the rights to Grease because I have never seen that mentioned before, and IIRC this was a big Robert Stigwood venture. Does anyone know if there is any truth in this part of the article? DavidFarmbrough 10:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
What about Paul's recent venture into being a radio show host, thus effectively ripping off Dylan (the next big leisure thing after pot that Paul's obviously learned from Bob)? -- Tlatosmd 05:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
In actual fact, McCartney hosted a radio series long before Bob Dylan. His syndicated "Oobu Jubu" radio show ran on the Westwood One network in the early 90's and featured Paul playing his favorite records, spinning a few solo rarities from the vaults and had a weekly cooking segment hosted by Linda. Ringo was the first Beatle to host a radio show. "Ringo's Yellow Submarine" aired in the early 1980's. Ghostysshow 23:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Should there be a photo of Mills in here? Say no if you want to... :) -- andreasegde 17:31, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
If you like contributing to articles about The Beatles, you should add your name to this list... :) -- andreasegde 22:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
John Paul George Ringo we knew them as the fab four. Paul was there leader
But i consider John to be the most creative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.70.232 ( talk) 12:40, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I have noticed that sentences and paragraphs are creeping in that are not referenced. They will deleted if no references are supplied. We had to do this about a year ago, and it took awhile. Please find references from books, web pages or newspapers/magazines. -- andreasegde 17:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Books are being put in the Notes section when they should be in References. The page numbers from the books should be in Notes. -- andreasegde 13:58, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Is it just me, or are all these instruments that Macca allegedly plays gettin out of hand a teeny bit? Someone needs to put in the musical saw, the bike pump, whoopie cushion and the squeeky water glass! Vera, Chuck & Dave 23:49, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I fixed this subsection to remove the idiotic tabloid detail that had been included there, and to add the straight facts as well as fix the references, but I seriously question whether this should be in the article at all. It is tabloid rumor, unconfirmed by either party or anyone else, and even if true strikes me as an example of recentism - I don't think we want to include every woman he is seen with and gives a kiss to, do we? I would take it out and wait until there's better evidence of a relationship. I think this is silly. Tvoz | talk 07:16, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
For one this is NOT old news. Here, let me say that again. This is NOT old news. This has been notable info for a while yet Wikipedia absolutely refuses to add this info in. Hell, I'm on my nintendo wii reading a news article about him, and he says his wealth is 1.6 billion. This is from AP. Please add this long overdue info in, or I'll do it myself. Glencoe999 ( talk) 04:14, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I think there is a point here and I think his wealth should be mentioned. Also I wondered how many years he and Linda smoked pot. Always seemed ironic to me that they would want such pure food yet inhale toxins into their lungs. And I wonder if the pot smoking had any thing to do with her cancer. Showerrug 00:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I guess I think his whole wealth thing should be closer to the top. And that anti cancer chemical is not administered by smoking. I really how much pot Linda smoked and I really do think that filling your lungs with toxins has a bad effect on a person. Does Paul still support smoking pot? Showerrug 00:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
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Does anyone else feel the criticism section is a bit disjointed and incoherent? Also I feel that some of the diction needs improvement. Alvie3 00:29, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
i think this article really doesn't even need a criticism section, at least not as it is. if there's actual criticism, the section has merit, but the current criticism section offers no criticism beyond "we all stand together was a bad song." and the rest of it is just vague references of him being "soft edged" or "not so soft edged". bland.
I don't have "Wingspan" so I can't comment on the exact given quote. On the other hand, Lennon's quote on it was "daft", and McCartney has been quoted in Miles and (via Linda) in Playboy as "daft." Daft strikes me as more what Lennon would say, and so my suggestion is to use the Miles quote. The Playboy quote is second hand:
I wish people would understand that we're writing an encyclopedia not a chronicle or a newspaper. Recent additions have paragraphs starting:
This is very dull prose and suggestive of an article thrown together by anons from news reports. Can we tidy these new additions so that they have historical perspective and fit into the existing narrative? We might want to lose altogether mention of the forthcoming album as it's not out yet. -- kingboyk 15:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Who are the people Paul McCartney played with at Live 8? I mean the two guitarists, the pianist and the drummer? 77.162.32.197 20:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
This article suffered from multiple and repeated deletion vandalism. I restored a bit that wasn't missed.
However, I think the Genre has been vandalized, but as I'm not a music expert, I'm unwilling to restore the Genre to an older version without some sort of concensus.
At one point the Genre was:
Genre =
Rock
Pop
Rock and roll
Soft rock
Psychedelic rock
and it's now:
Genre =
Pop-rock
Rock & roll
Classical music
Ambient music
I personally think the older one is correct. Sockettome 08:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Under record-breaker it says "McCartney has achieved 24 number-ones in the U.K.: solo (1), Wings (1), with Stevie Wonder (1), Ferry Aid (1), Band Aid (1), Band Aid 20 (1) and the Beatles (17)." The numbers add up to 23 not not 24. What's up? 75.177.84.51 21:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
If you look at the photo of Sutcliffe and Harrison on the Stuart Sutcliffe page, you will see a left-handed Hofner bass by Sutcliffes's leg, on the left. How is that possible when Macca started playing bass after Sutcliffe left?? Something is amiss here, methinks... andreasegde 14:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I added the occupations of the children - 7 words - because readers might want to know which of the children is which. If we're worried about space, then we can remove "and the reception included a vegetarian banquet." from the Heather Mills paragraph. Tvoz | talk 19:12, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
I have just realised that Dot Rhone is not in, which is terrible because she was his first girlfriend/shag and almost married her. egde 17:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, Dot Rhone is very relevant. It's a biography, for fuck's sake-- Crestville 17:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
The "Beatles" section seems to chronicle the Beatles' rise and fall and whatnot, but there's very little relating to Paul's role in the Beatles, and his associated place in music history. I mean the guy was pretty much the driving force behind Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road, but there's literally no mention; I think he deserves some credit there. The Beatles chronology belongs in the Beatles article. Look at the Ringo Starr article for a good role model. It's much more condensed, much more relevant to the topic. 24.11.154.189 04:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I've heard him referred to as Macca before though it is not mentioned in the article. Shouldn't it be mentioned? I assume it is a abbreviation of sorts for the last name McCartney, right? -- Cab88 13:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
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Why do we need to put "known as Paul McCartney" after "Sir James Paul McCartney? It should be obvious, as the title of the article is "Paul McCartney". If he was better known as "Sir James Paul McCartney", that would be the title of the article. Why the confusion? -- DearPrudence 21:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Guess what? they are thick! They either come in and describe him as "Sir Paul", elevate him to KBE, or remove his Knighthood because they say "he's only an MBE." Is that thick or is that thick? And I don't believe you Steve! This is how The Beatles project was ripped to pieces!!! Well, I've had enough of your silly little compendium. I'm off lad, I've got a real job to do, I'm proud to do it, even for the thickies. Say bye bye Sooty: "Bye bye Sooty." citation needed Vera, Chuck & Dave 13:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Re: "Where else would you place the important fact that his legal name is (now) "Sir James...", ...":
McCartney's legal name is not Sir James Paul McCartney. Sir is a form of address; it is not part of a name. TheScotch 06:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Obviously a form of address is a reference; that doesn't make it a name. "Mister" is not part of your name. Even though he's been knighted, McCartney has as much right to call himself "mister" as you do. Arthur Conan Doyle was knighted, and he was a medical doctor (although he eventually gave up his practice). That makes him alternatively Mr. Arthur Conan Doyle, Dr. Arthur Conan Doyle, or Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. Neither Mr., Dr., nor Sir is (or ever was) part of his name. TheScotch 06:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you can explain who this person is and why I should care. I don't know how hard it is to renounce a knighthood (and as an American I don't suppose I'll ever know), but a name, in contradistinction to a title, isn't all that hard to dispose of legally--at least in the United States it isn't. TheScotch ( talk) 10:15, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone tell me whether he was called James or Paul by his family and friends prior to Beatledom or did he just decide himself to go by his middle name when the Beatles started to take off (or perhaps some time earlier)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.167.174 ( talk) 06:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I've seen a couple references today that are simply posts or comments on things saying Paul McCartney 1941-2007 RIP. Sure its not true, just figured i'd point it out in case someone tries to put it in the article -- Pollard666 07:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I vaguely recall a report that McCartney released some kind of dance record under the name "Big M" at some point. Can't find anything in the article or online about it, anyone else heard of it? Exxolon 02:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
This is on John Lennon's page too so I'm going to mention this again; since when has Paul McCartney won an Academy Award?
Should they possibly have a mention in the article? Mr Richardson 14:20, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
On youtube there is a video from a radio station featuring John Lennon. the main question was about the Paul is Dead rumor, even John says it was just a joke and some people people took it was to far! gameplaya 4:53 September 23, 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.198.104.92 ( talk) 20:53, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
In view of the amount of vandalism, I am very wary about any new Paul Mccartney 'fact' that I have not seen before. I would be surprised if he owned the rights to Grease because I have never seen that mentioned before, and IIRC this was a big Robert Stigwood venture. Does anyone know if there is any truth in this part of the article? DavidFarmbrough 10:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
What about Paul's recent venture into being a radio show host, thus effectively ripping off Dylan (the next big leisure thing after pot that Paul's obviously learned from Bob)? -- Tlatosmd 05:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
In actual fact, McCartney hosted a radio series long before Bob Dylan. His syndicated "Oobu Jubu" radio show ran on the Westwood One network in the early 90's and featured Paul playing his favorite records, spinning a few solo rarities from the vaults and had a weekly cooking segment hosted by Linda. Ringo was the first Beatle to host a radio show. "Ringo's Yellow Submarine" aired in the early 1980's. Ghostysshow 23:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Should there be a photo of Mills in here? Say no if you want to... :) -- andreasegde 17:31, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
If you like contributing to articles about The Beatles, you should add your name to this list... :) -- andreasegde 22:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
John Paul George Ringo we knew them as the fab four. Paul was there leader
But i consider John to be the most creative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.70.232 ( talk) 12:40, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I have noticed that sentences and paragraphs are creeping in that are not referenced. They will deleted if no references are supplied. We had to do this about a year ago, and it took awhile. Please find references from books, web pages or newspapers/magazines. -- andreasegde 17:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Books are being put in the Notes section when they should be in References. The page numbers from the books should be in Notes. -- andreasegde 13:58, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Is it just me, or are all these instruments that Macca allegedly plays gettin out of hand a teeny bit? Someone needs to put in the musical saw, the bike pump, whoopie cushion and the squeeky water glass! Vera, Chuck & Dave 23:49, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I fixed this subsection to remove the idiotic tabloid detail that had been included there, and to add the straight facts as well as fix the references, but I seriously question whether this should be in the article at all. It is tabloid rumor, unconfirmed by either party or anyone else, and even if true strikes me as an example of recentism - I don't think we want to include every woman he is seen with and gives a kiss to, do we? I would take it out and wait until there's better evidence of a relationship. I think this is silly. Tvoz | talk 07:16, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
For one this is NOT old news. Here, let me say that again. This is NOT old news. This has been notable info for a while yet Wikipedia absolutely refuses to add this info in. Hell, I'm on my nintendo wii reading a news article about him, and he says his wealth is 1.6 billion. This is from AP. Please add this long overdue info in, or I'll do it myself. Glencoe999 ( talk) 04:14, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I think there is a point here and I think his wealth should be mentioned. Also I wondered how many years he and Linda smoked pot. Always seemed ironic to me that they would want such pure food yet inhale toxins into their lungs. And I wonder if the pot smoking had any thing to do with her cancer. Showerrug 00:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I guess I think his whole wealth thing should be closer to the top. And that anti cancer chemical is not administered by smoking. I really how much pot Linda smoked and I really do think that filling your lungs with toxins has a bad effect on a person. Does Paul still support smoking pot? Showerrug 00:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)