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This article has improved tremendously. With a bit of copyediting it will really sparkle. Something to watch out for is impairment of readability by over-long sentences, which is a very common problem with Wikipedia in general. What apparently happens is that someone looks at the material and decides to add a fact, then someone else adds their own qualification, and another expansion of the topic gets included so that eventually the sentence drifts around and contains various nuances, and by the time the reader gets to the end of the sentence he can't quite figure out what the main point is supposed to be -- which is clearly something that we want to avoid, so if there's any way you can help out it would be a really good idea to simplify sentences like that, assuming you have the time and are confident in your writing skills. Raymond Arritt 04:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
It is an encyclopedia for adults as well - lets write it in an adult manner. Clarity over brevity (as was commented on another topic above) LessHeard vanU 20:27, 31 December 2006 (UTC)Paul McCartney is a famous person. He wrote songs and played in The Beatles. The Beatles were a famous band. They are the most famous band in the world. Then The Beatles broke up. Paul McCartney became a famous solo singer. He then formed another band. It was called Wings. They became famous.... ad nauseam
I have just read through a few paragraphs, and it does look a bit 'sticky' sometimes, (that's the only word I could think of.) I think we should nominate it (but not me, 'cos I'm a back-room boy) and see what the 'big boys/girls upstairs' think. (Sound of fingers tapping/drumming on desktop...) andreasegde 18:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Bugger - I have just read (and remembered) that Macca made a film about the 'Dead'. Does this man never stop? He's got his bus pass hasn't he? andreasegde 16:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
This page should be protected. andreasegde 04:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Anyone know what this project was about? R o gerthat Talk 08:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Does the sentence "McCartney later took his A-level exams, but only passed one subject, which was English,[226] or Art.[227]" mean "McCartney later took his A-level exams, but only passed one subject. Sources disagree as to whether it was English,[226] or Art.[227]" or does it mean that McCartney is currently capable of choosing which subject he failed in? Geuiwogbil 20:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I have made a few comments at the above place, mostly directly relating to frustrations I have encountered while contributing to this Project and the articles The Beatles and Paul McCartney. My festering resentment has leaked out in the form of WP:FAR and WP:GAR are the enemies of WP:The Encyclopedia That Anyone Can Edit. Please feel free to disassociate yourselves from me... ;~) LessHeard vanU 01:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I have been chopping out the ones that were not needed, and condensing others. andreasegde 12:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
This is the 'ugly duckling' of articles. Quotes I have read: It's too long, it's not long enough, it does not correspond to Wikipedia style (no-one knows who wrote these style rules) it should be forked/merged, drugs were not so important to The Beatles that they should have such a long section (oh, really?) "swathes" of information have been left out, more should be put back in.... need I go on?
I see no way to reconcile these differing 'points of view', and can only predict that McCartney will never, ever reach FA. Such is life... andreasegde 08:08, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I thought the following made some good points, but needs wikifying (a lot)
McCartney's songwriting has benefited from friendly competition, Lennon in the 60's, Rolling Stones in the 60's, and Lennon again in the 70's. McCartney's critical success with songwriter Elvis Costello in the late 1980's has not transcended to his latter works, "It's as if Costello's McCartney songs were written not for the actual Paul McCartney but for an idea of Paul McCartney. Trippy? Perhaps. But Costello's generous perspective made McCartney something he hasn't been for decades -- interesting." [1]
Is the unquoted section taken from anywhere because if it hasn't then it is opinion and cannot be used. If it is from another source then it needs citing. If it is from the same source as the quoted section, it needs to be made clear. If only the quote section can be used, then it needs context adding which is not original research or opinion. LessHeard vanU 22:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
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This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | → | Archive 10 |
This article has improved tremendously. With a bit of copyediting it will really sparkle. Something to watch out for is impairment of readability by over-long sentences, which is a very common problem with Wikipedia in general. What apparently happens is that someone looks at the material and decides to add a fact, then someone else adds their own qualification, and another expansion of the topic gets included so that eventually the sentence drifts around and contains various nuances, and by the time the reader gets to the end of the sentence he can't quite figure out what the main point is supposed to be -- which is clearly something that we want to avoid, so if there's any way you can help out it would be a really good idea to simplify sentences like that, assuming you have the time and are confident in your writing skills. Raymond Arritt 04:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
It is an encyclopedia for adults as well - lets write it in an adult manner. Clarity over brevity (as was commented on another topic above) LessHeard vanU 20:27, 31 December 2006 (UTC)Paul McCartney is a famous person. He wrote songs and played in The Beatles. The Beatles were a famous band. They are the most famous band in the world. Then The Beatles broke up. Paul McCartney became a famous solo singer. He then formed another band. It was called Wings. They became famous.... ad nauseam
I have just read through a few paragraphs, and it does look a bit 'sticky' sometimes, (that's the only word I could think of.) I think we should nominate it (but not me, 'cos I'm a back-room boy) and see what the 'big boys/girls upstairs' think. (Sound of fingers tapping/drumming on desktop...) andreasegde 18:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Bugger - I have just read (and remembered) that Macca made a film about the 'Dead'. Does this man never stop? He's got his bus pass hasn't he? andreasegde 16:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
This page should be protected. andreasegde 04:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Anyone know what this project was about? R o gerthat Talk 08:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Does the sentence "McCartney later took his A-level exams, but only passed one subject, which was English,[226] or Art.[227]" mean "McCartney later took his A-level exams, but only passed one subject. Sources disagree as to whether it was English,[226] or Art.[227]" or does it mean that McCartney is currently capable of choosing which subject he failed in? Geuiwogbil 20:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I have made a few comments at the above place, mostly directly relating to frustrations I have encountered while contributing to this Project and the articles The Beatles and Paul McCartney. My festering resentment has leaked out in the form of WP:FAR and WP:GAR are the enemies of WP:The Encyclopedia That Anyone Can Edit. Please feel free to disassociate yourselves from me... ;~) LessHeard vanU 01:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I have been chopping out the ones that were not needed, and condensing others. andreasegde 12:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
This is the 'ugly duckling' of articles. Quotes I have read: It's too long, it's not long enough, it does not correspond to Wikipedia style (no-one knows who wrote these style rules) it should be forked/merged, drugs were not so important to The Beatles that they should have such a long section (oh, really?) "swathes" of information have been left out, more should be put back in.... need I go on?
I see no way to reconcile these differing 'points of view', and can only predict that McCartney will never, ever reach FA. Such is life... andreasegde 08:08, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I thought the following made some good points, but needs wikifying (a lot)
McCartney's songwriting has benefited from friendly competition, Lennon in the 60's, Rolling Stones in the 60's, and Lennon again in the 70's. McCartney's critical success with songwriter Elvis Costello in the late 1980's has not transcended to his latter works, "It's as if Costello's McCartney songs were written not for the actual Paul McCartney but for an idea of Paul McCartney. Trippy? Perhaps. But Costello's generous perspective made McCartney something he hasn't been for decades -- interesting." [1]
Is the unquoted section taken from anywhere because if it hasn't then it is opinion and cannot be used. If it is from another source then it needs citing. If it is from the same source as the quoted section, it needs to be made clear. If only the quote section can be used, then it needs context adding which is not original research or opinion. LessHeard vanU 22:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 7 ounces, use 7 ounces, which when you are editing the page, should look like: 7 ounces.
[?]You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Mal 11:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)