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Manually archived at Talk:Paul Kelly (musician)/Archive 1 by -- shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 22:24, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
From my understanding of the second failed FAC the following may still require fixing:
All up, some assistance from other interested editors would be much appreciated. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 22:56, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
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shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 07:20, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
According to The Age the couple were happy to pose together on 24 October 2011. In November, User:Yonipr made four edits implying the relationship had ended but these changes were reverted and I asked on the User's talkpage for Yonipr to provide a reliable source for these changes. Since that time I have searched news media for any statement citing either Prior or Kelly that they had separated.
Subsequently similar edits have recurred from time to time: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7.
The latter edit had a summary which said, "Paul Kelly and Sian Prior separated in late 2011. She wishes the information on this page to represent this truthfully. Multiple attempts have been made to correct factual errors on this page, and requests have been made by Ms Prior to Wikipedia". I explained on User:202.161.23.238's talkpage why I reverted the edits and asked for a source. This edit summary implies that the user is associated with Prior. I have still have not seen any statement in the news media verifying the separation. I request other editors to help see whether they can find such a source. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 10:48, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure that the replacement photo supplied by Happy Waldo is better for this article:
I would like to discuss this matter before returning the earlier image. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 09:25, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
I have upload a new photo of the Espy. I think it's better than the one currently used on Kelly's page. Change or not to change? - HappyWaldo ( talk) 03:25, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
It seems like a significant portion of at least the lead (I haven't read the rest of this article) was taken from directly from http://maton.com.au/artists/paul-Kelly, without that source being cited anywhere and without that text being placed in quotation marks. I suppose that it's also possible that that site plagiarized this article as many sites mirror Wikipedia, but that seems unlikely for three reasons:
I don't want to just blank the lead without being absolutely certain of the plagiarism, and I don't know the subject well enough to do a good job replacing that stuff, so hopefully some other editor with more knowledge of Kelly will want to take up the task of sorting out what is plagiarized and what to replace it with. Sorry to just dump you with this, whoever you hopefully are, but thanks for the excellent job I'm sure you'll do :) BreakfastJr ( talk) 04:26, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Paul Kelly (Australian musician)/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Deleted comments as no longer relevant – they related to its earlier status up to becoming B-class. Article is now GA and has since failed FA twice. The previous Assessment summary comments are now archived for interested editors. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 22:39, 14 December 2011 (UTC) |
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Manually archived at Talk:Paul Kelly (musician)/Archive 1 by -- shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 22:24, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
From my understanding of the second failed FAC the following may still require fixing:
All up, some assistance from other interested editors would be much appreciated. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 22:56, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Start with the toolbox at right.
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shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 07:20, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
According to The Age the couple were happy to pose together on 24 October 2011. In November, User:Yonipr made four edits implying the relationship had ended but these changes were reverted and I asked on the User's talkpage for Yonipr to provide a reliable source for these changes. Since that time I have searched news media for any statement citing either Prior or Kelly that they had separated.
Subsequently similar edits have recurred from time to time: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7.
The latter edit had a summary which said, "Paul Kelly and Sian Prior separated in late 2011. She wishes the information on this page to represent this truthfully. Multiple attempts have been made to correct factual errors on this page, and requests have been made by Ms Prior to Wikipedia". I explained on User:202.161.23.238's talkpage why I reverted the edits and asked for a source. This edit summary implies that the user is associated with Prior. I have still have not seen any statement in the news media verifying the separation. I request other editors to help see whether they can find such a source. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 10:48, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure that the replacement photo supplied by Happy Waldo is better for this article:
I would like to discuss this matter before returning the earlier image. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 09:25, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
I have upload a new photo of the Espy. I think it's better than the one currently used on Kelly's page. Change or not to change? - HappyWaldo ( talk) 03:25, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
It seems like a significant portion of at least the lead (I haven't read the rest of this article) was taken from directly from http://maton.com.au/artists/paul-Kelly, without that source being cited anywhere and without that text being placed in quotation marks. I suppose that it's also possible that that site plagiarized this article as many sites mirror Wikipedia, but that seems unlikely for three reasons:
I don't want to just blank the lead without being absolutely certain of the plagiarism, and I don't know the subject well enough to do a good job replacing that stuff, so hopefully some other editor with more knowledge of Kelly will want to take up the task of sorting out what is plagiarized and what to replace it with. Sorry to just dump you with this, whoever you hopefully are, but thanks for the excellent job I'm sure you'll do :) BreakfastJr ( talk) 04:26, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Paul Kelly (Australian musician)/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Deleted comments as no longer relevant – they related to its earlier status up to becoming B-class. Article is now GA and has since failed FA twice. The previous Assessment summary comments are now archived for interested editors. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 22:39, 14 December 2011 (UTC) |
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