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We do not normally give lists of aircraft, pilots, etc. on Wikipedia. I have reverted some recent additions, in part because no justification for breaking this guideline has been given in recent edits, and in part because the editor concerned, FFA P-16 ( Talk), has broken WP:BRD. Please contribute to this discussion below. — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 11:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
O.K. I should use "Tailnumber", but in switzerland the therm Immatriculation is often used for the Tailnumber /Regristation . About the callsing, might I /you /we.. should just point out that this callsigns come from the Bambini Code, and the Patrouille Suisse and PC-7Team. But we should not go into the details of the Bambini-code here. May I should create (as sub page to the Swiss Air Force topic) about the Bambini Code .. It was established short for WW2 and used until around 1997, then replaced by the NATO brevity code).
Usualy the aircrafts are relatet to a Pilot (each aircraft is wearing the Pilot name next to the cokpit but (exept spare aircraft J-3089) unfortunatly I was not (yet)able to finde out what pilot has in 2013 wich aircraft. FFA P-16 ( talk) 16:08, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
The Position and the Patrouile suisse call sign can be found her , relatet to every Member of the team in 2013 [2]. All Swiss Air Force aircrafts tailnumber ever are here [3].The Patrouile Suisse is part of the Swiss Air Force and the Bambini-code and the callsigns who are based on the Bambini-code are part of the Patrouille Suisse and the Swiss Air Force's history so it is worth to point this out. the PS is to see at airshows outside Switzerland and there often visitors who also listend to the radio and might are interestet to knew what this is about because of this (and the fact that the article here about the Patrouille suisse is not realy big) adding this informations here is not an overload of informations and the list i had ad was easy to read and understand. You can't compair it with other aerobicteams if they don't have such kinde of use of the call-sign and tactical code. FFA P-16 ( talk) 16:19, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
I have started a discussion on the notability of the Bambini-Code article and its content at Talk:Bambini-Code#Notability. I am concerned that much or all of the present content is not notable. Hoping you can contribute. This note is just to let you know, please do not run a parallel discussion here. — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 10:28, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, but the main author sounds like a member of the marketing department who assumes every little detail is important for the world, even without independent sources. The Banner talk 18:59, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Patrouille Suisse don't need any marketing, they are well known enoug, and they don't doe the shows for money. t was a unique thing never before 15 AC jets & props had flown such a display evere, and it was unique because of the 100 year Brithday of the airforce, 50 years of the ps and 25years of the pc-7 Team. at the air14 the biggest airshow in 2014 on the continent. This page is about the PS and this event is part of the history of the PS. So no need to delet it out. ~The reference was a youtube clib, as you don't acepptet youtube as ref, i add the ref direct from the saf homepage FFA P-16 ( talk) 19:30, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Unfortunately, we have an edit war now. FFA P-16 does not allow irrelevant, poorly sourced info me left out of the article. He is now on four reverts, so playing with fire...
The contested parts are the following:
To my opinion, both sections are irrelevant and could be left out of the article without any damage. The Banner talk 19:42, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
that they are irrelevant is your opinion, i see this differend. One is part of the history of the PS, such a formation was special for the Air14, and such a formation a display of two teams at the same time fliying together a display was a world premier.
And deleting out the PC-6T is wrong, the V-622 "Felix"is the only PC-6T in PS colors it belongsas suport aircraft to the Team, remeber the Blue angles fly F/A-18 but you can also finde the C-130 "Fat Albert" in the wikipedia page about the blue's. Exept the PS F-5 Tiger there is the PC-6T V-622 the only aircraft in PS color no other PC-6T, PC-7, PC-9, PC-12, PC-21 BE20, BE1900 , F/A-18 DHC-6 Daimond42 or Falcon900 of the swiss air Force is wearing this PS colors or Patrouille suisse tittle.. It belongs to the Team and so it is right to have this information here on the page FFA P-16 ( talk) 19:55, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
For this Display from the PS and PC-7 Team are mote than one referenc, see for ex. Tele Züri (its not Youtube, its a private TV station) [4]. Also [ [5]] FFA P-16 ( talk) 20:04, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Well you ask NOW for the opinion of others. After deleting out this informations several times ( I could say this tast~'s for me like an edit war.. every thing has two sides). It would look diffrend if you had put up this question here after the first time. But i think to blame each other is not constructive work. I know you are fast in saying some informations are irrelevant, in this we are not the same opinien. How ever, I think deleting informatons out is very easy but to bring in informations is not so easy. So I think deleting out informations should not taken to easy.
I was in an article also the opinion that something has to be deletet out, but I first raised the question in the talk page about this, and the waited some days what people say about it. FFA P-16 ( talk) 20:27, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Thiis is what you say, but in my eyes you are the one wo are constantly deleting out interesting or important facts on articlles with swiss air force topics. That the Patrouille Suisse has not only F-5e but also a sole PC-6t is important and should be written. It is not a big text its just one sentens about it. But you go so far and have now also deletet the whole page about the swiss air force traget drone. A system of 60 (now 30) drones used by the swiss air Force is not something irrelevant.... FFA P-16 ( talk) 11:57, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
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Patrouille Suisse article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
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We do not normally give lists of aircraft, pilots, etc. on Wikipedia. I have reverted some recent additions, in part because no justification for breaking this guideline has been given in recent edits, and in part because the editor concerned, FFA P-16 ( Talk), has broken WP:BRD. Please contribute to this discussion below. — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 11:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
O.K. I should use "Tailnumber", but in switzerland the therm Immatriculation is often used for the Tailnumber /Regristation . About the callsing, might I /you /we.. should just point out that this callsigns come from the Bambini Code, and the Patrouille Suisse and PC-7Team. But we should not go into the details of the Bambini-code here. May I should create (as sub page to the Swiss Air Force topic) about the Bambini Code .. It was established short for WW2 and used until around 1997, then replaced by the NATO brevity code).
Usualy the aircrafts are relatet to a Pilot (each aircraft is wearing the Pilot name next to the cokpit but (exept spare aircraft J-3089) unfortunatly I was not (yet)able to finde out what pilot has in 2013 wich aircraft. FFA P-16 ( talk) 16:08, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
The Position and the Patrouile suisse call sign can be found her , relatet to every Member of the team in 2013 [2]. All Swiss Air Force aircrafts tailnumber ever are here [3].The Patrouile Suisse is part of the Swiss Air Force and the Bambini-code and the callsigns who are based on the Bambini-code are part of the Patrouille Suisse and the Swiss Air Force's history so it is worth to point this out. the PS is to see at airshows outside Switzerland and there often visitors who also listend to the radio and might are interestet to knew what this is about because of this (and the fact that the article here about the Patrouille suisse is not realy big) adding this informations here is not an overload of informations and the list i had ad was easy to read and understand. You can't compair it with other aerobicteams if they don't have such kinde of use of the call-sign and tactical code. FFA P-16 ( talk) 16:19, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
I have started a discussion on the notability of the Bambini-Code article and its content at Talk:Bambini-Code#Notability. I am concerned that much or all of the present content is not notable. Hoping you can contribute. This note is just to let you know, please do not run a parallel discussion here. — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 10:28, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, but the main author sounds like a member of the marketing department who assumes every little detail is important for the world, even without independent sources. The Banner talk 18:59, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Patrouille Suisse don't need any marketing, they are well known enoug, and they don't doe the shows for money. t was a unique thing never before 15 AC jets & props had flown such a display evere, and it was unique because of the 100 year Brithday of the airforce, 50 years of the ps and 25years of the pc-7 Team. at the air14 the biggest airshow in 2014 on the continent. This page is about the PS and this event is part of the history of the PS. So no need to delet it out. ~The reference was a youtube clib, as you don't acepptet youtube as ref, i add the ref direct from the saf homepage FFA P-16 ( talk) 19:30, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Unfortunately, we have an edit war now. FFA P-16 does not allow irrelevant, poorly sourced info me left out of the article. He is now on four reverts, so playing with fire...
The contested parts are the following:
To my opinion, both sections are irrelevant and could be left out of the article without any damage. The Banner talk 19:42, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
that they are irrelevant is your opinion, i see this differend. One is part of the history of the PS, such a formation was special for the Air14, and such a formation a display of two teams at the same time fliying together a display was a world premier.
And deleting out the PC-6T is wrong, the V-622 "Felix"is the only PC-6T in PS colors it belongsas suport aircraft to the Team, remeber the Blue angles fly F/A-18 but you can also finde the C-130 "Fat Albert" in the wikipedia page about the blue's. Exept the PS F-5 Tiger there is the PC-6T V-622 the only aircraft in PS color no other PC-6T, PC-7, PC-9, PC-12, PC-21 BE20, BE1900 , F/A-18 DHC-6 Daimond42 or Falcon900 of the swiss air Force is wearing this PS colors or Patrouille suisse tittle.. It belongs to the Team and so it is right to have this information here on the page FFA P-16 ( talk) 19:55, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
For this Display from the PS and PC-7 Team are mote than one referenc, see for ex. Tele Züri (its not Youtube, its a private TV station) [4]. Also [ [5]] FFA P-16 ( talk) 20:04, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Well you ask NOW for the opinion of others. After deleting out this informations several times ( I could say this tast~'s for me like an edit war.. every thing has two sides). It would look diffrend if you had put up this question here after the first time. But i think to blame each other is not constructive work. I know you are fast in saying some informations are irrelevant, in this we are not the same opinien. How ever, I think deleting informatons out is very easy but to bring in informations is not so easy. So I think deleting out informations should not taken to easy.
I was in an article also the opinion that something has to be deletet out, but I first raised the question in the talk page about this, and the waited some days what people say about it. FFA P-16 ( talk) 20:27, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Thiis is what you say, but in my eyes you are the one wo are constantly deleting out interesting or important facts on articlles with swiss air force topics. That the Patrouille Suisse has not only F-5e but also a sole PC-6t is important and should be written. It is not a big text its just one sentens about it. But you go so far and have now also deletet the whole page about the swiss air force traget drone. A system of 60 (now 30) drones used by the swiss air Force is not something irrelevant.... FFA P-16 ( talk) 11:57, 17 January 2015 (UTC)