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For starters, I'll admit I'm not well versed on mobsters or wiki editing policies, so this request may be misguided but in short:
In the last few years of edit history, claims have sprung up asserting that article subject is deceased. Sourcing isn't great on this article in general, so these claims of death are not only added without sources, but also the alleged date of death varies wildly. As of now, there's no semblance of consensus whatsoever. In my attempt to fill out other parts of the article, I came across a recent court case (28 Sep, 2022) where the parties involved are close relatives:
Plaintiff Anthony Conte, appearing pro se, commenced this action against Defendants Tapps Supermarket, Inc., Seven Seas Partners, Inc., Anthony C. Conte, Paul S. Conte, and Pasquale Conte, Jr., the Estate of Pasquale Conte, Sr., Anthony Bileddo, and Feder Kaszovitz LLP, for purportedly stealing/depriving Plaintiff of stock, ...
It can be reliably inferred from this that Pasquale is deceased(recently?), no? I imagine Pasquale Conte, Sr. has to be him, and Pasquale junior is some descendant. Can this be construed into a valid citation somehow? There are no other credible sources, not even dubious sources, that have reported on this. I believe the article should state he's deceased, but I can't really support the edit with my original research on some tangentially related court case that happens to mention Pasquale's estate.
Ommar365 ( talk) 09:14, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
the matter of Pasquale being deceased seems settled, but there is no previous discussion on this page, nor are there any links to pages where it might have occurred - did it occur elsewhere? Please see WP:RFCBEFORE. -- Redrose64 🦌 ( talk) 14:58, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
Regarding the court link you suggested, while that is a plausible source to cite, actually we usually avoid that kind of source ( WP:PRIMARY SOURCES). It often takes legal expertise to properly interpret legal documents, the source implies he's dead rather than directly stating it, and it's not safe to assume a court will verify or correct submitted-false-claims if they are irrelevant to the final ruling. Newspapers can generally be relied upon to check that an obituary is basically legit before printing it, and can generally be relied upon to retract it if someone did dupe them into publishing a phony obituary. Alsee ( talk) 04:51, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
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For starters, I'll admit I'm not well versed on mobsters or wiki editing policies, so this request may be misguided but in short:
In the last few years of edit history, claims have sprung up asserting that article subject is deceased. Sourcing isn't great on this article in general, so these claims of death are not only added without sources, but also the alleged date of death varies wildly. As of now, there's no semblance of consensus whatsoever. In my attempt to fill out other parts of the article, I came across a recent court case (28 Sep, 2022) where the parties involved are close relatives:
Plaintiff Anthony Conte, appearing pro se, commenced this action against Defendants Tapps Supermarket, Inc., Seven Seas Partners, Inc., Anthony C. Conte, Paul S. Conte, and Pasquale Conte, Jr., the Estate of Pasquale Conte, Sr., Anthony Bileddo, and Feder Kaszovitz LLP, for purportedly stealing/depriving Plaintiff of stock, ...
It can be reliably inferred from this that Pasquale is deceased(recently?), no? I imagine Pasquale Conte, Sr. has to be him, and Pasquale junior is some descendant. Can this be construed into a valid citation somehow? There are no other credible sources, not even dubious sources, that have reported on this. I believe the article should state he's deceased, but I can't really support the edit with my original research on some tangentially related court case that happens to mention Pasquale's estate.
Ommar365 ( talk) 09:14, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
the matter of Pasquale being deceased seems settled, but there is no previous discussion on this page, nor are there any links to pages where it might have occurred - did it occur elsewhere? Please see WP:RFCBEFORE. -- Redrose64 🦌 ( talk) 14:58, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
Regarding the court link you suggested, while that is a plausible source to cite, actually we usually avoid that kind of source ( WP:PRIMARY SOURCES). It often takes legal expertise to properly interpret legal documents, the source implies he's dead rather than directly stating it, and it's not safe to assume a court will verify or correct submitted-false-claims if they are irrelevant to the final ruling. Newspapers can generally be relied upon to check that an obituary is basically legit before printing it, and can generally be relied upon to retract it if someone did dupe them into publishing a phony obituary. Alsee ( talk) 04:51, 27 December 2022 (UTC)