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The Park Avenue Tunnel is the much longer tunnel from Grand Central to 125th Street, which is still in use. I'm not sure how to change the redirection.... 69.202.67.35 ( talk) 10:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I live at 35th. St. and Park Avenue, right by the tunnel. Myself, and everybody I've every heard speak of it, refer to this tunnel as the Park Avenue Tunnel. The only time I've ever heard the phrase Murray Hill Tunnel was on this page. I'm afraid you are wrong as far as common usage goes, and you should change the name to Park Avenue Roadway Tunnel or some such. You are causing confusion by pedantically insisting on a your claimed nomenclature which does not correspond to common usage. 75.146.224.18 ( talk) 04:07, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I've decided to be a little more emphatic about this. When New Yorkers talk about tunnels they are talking about roadway tunnels almost exclusively. Nobody needs to refer to subway or railroad tunnels by name apart from professionals. The Brooklyn-Battery tunnel means the road tunnel; the 1st. Avenue tunnel means the road tunnel; the the midtown tunnel means the road tunnel; the Lincoln tunnel means the road tunnel. Nobody here knows or cares what the names of the railroad tunnels are. If you take the F train to park slope you care about station names, not the tunnel names. 75.146.224.18 ( talk) 04:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, using official historical names is pedantic. It's an encyclopedia, after all, not a tabloid newspaper. As it happens, the name changes were anonymous, so I simply reverted them rather than check the talk pages first. Had I known the changes were based on opinions I disagree with rather than simple anonymous thoughtlessness, maybe I would have held off for a day, but no regrets. Jim.henderson ( talk) 05:38, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Nobody's going to search for the Murray Hill Tunnel because nobody uses that name. Can you cite any usage of that name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.146.224.18 ( talk)
Here is a photograph of a New York City Dept. of Transport sign, taken on 26th. July 2008 on 5th. Avenue in Manhattan. This sign is clearly referring to the Park Avenue Tunnel and not the Murray Hill Tunnel. This is a road traffic warning and is referring to the roadway tunnel. I think this is pretty concrete evidence that the NYC Dept. of Transit calls the tunnel the Park Avenue Tunnel.
Farmhouse121 ( talk) 02:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Goodness; my new interior pic has stirred a controversy among our thoughtful editors. One side thinks it atypical and the other thinks it's more informative, if they don't mind my reading their minds. I like my picture, but of course I would, so I shall leave the arguments to less biased minds. Better to put the arguments here in Talk, however, than carry on an edit war. Jim.henderson ( talk) 23:03, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Is this the same tunnel which has occasional art installations like this: http://news.artnet.com/art-world/dive-into-the-park-avenue-tunnels-aquatic-sound-art-installation-73030 And if so, what's the deal? Do they close it to traffic? Do cars and people and art all mingle at the same time? Thanks Cramyourspam ( talk) 15:16, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
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The Park Avenue Tunnel is the much longer tunnel from Grand Central to 125th Street, which is still in use. I'm not sure how to change the redirection.... 69.202.67.35 ( talk) 10:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I live at 35th. St. and Park Avenue, right by the tunnel. Myself, and everybody I've every heard speak of it, refer to this tunnel as the Park Avenue Tunnel. The only time I've ever heard the phrase Murray Hill Tunnel was on this page. I'm afraid you are wrong as far as common usage goes, and you should change the name to Park Avenue Roadway Tunnel or some such. You are causing confusion by pedantically insisting on a your claimed nomenclature which does not correspond to common usage. 75.146.224.18 ( talk) 04:07, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I've decided to be a little more emphatic about this. When New Yorkers talk about tunnels they are talking about roadway tunnels almost exclusively. Nobody needs to refer to subway or railroad tunnels by name apart from professionals. The Brooklyn-Battery tunnel means the road tunnel; the 1st. Avenue tunnel means the road tunnel; the the midtown tunnel means the road tunnel; the Lincoln tunnel means the road tunnel. Nobody here knows or cares what the names of the railroad tunnels are. If you take the F train to park slope you care about station names, not the tunnel names. 75.146.224.18 ( talk) 04:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, using official historical names is pedantic. It's an encyclopedia, after all, not a tabloid newspaper. As it happens, the name changes were anonymous, so I simply reverted them rather than check the talk pages first. Had I known the changes were based on opinions I disagree with rather than simple anonymous thoughtlessness, maybe I would have held off for a day, but no regrets. Jim.henderson ( talk) 05:38, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Nobody's going to search for the Murray Hill Tunnel because nobody uses that name. Can you cite any usage of that name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.146.224.18 ( talk)
Here is a photograph of a New York City Dept. of Transport sign, taken on 26th. July 2008 on 5th. Avenue in Manhattan. This sign is clearly referring to the Park Avenue Tunnel and not the Murray Hill Tunnel. This is a road traffic warning and is referring to the roadway tunnel. I think this is pretty concrete evidence that the NYC Dept. of Transit calls the tunnel the Park Avenue Tunnel.
Farmhouse121 ( talk) 02:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Goodness; my new interior pic has stirred a controversy among our thoughtful editors. One side thinks it atypical and the other thinks it's more informative, if they don't mind my reading their minds. I like my picture, but of course I would, so I shall leave the arguments to less biased minds. Better to put the arguments here in Talk, however, than carry on an edit war. Jim.henderson ( talk) 23:03, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Is this the same tunnel which has occasional art installations like this: http://news.artnet.com/art-world/dive-into-the-park-avenue-tunnels-aquatic-sound-art-installation-73030 And if so, what's the deal? Do they close it to traffic? Do cars and people and art all mingle at the same time? Thanks Cramyourspam ( talk) 15:16, 5 August 2014 (UTC)