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A lot of this article derives from Wigram, who relied heavily on the recently-published Chronicle of Erbil. The Chronicle of Erbil, allegedly by Mshiha-zkha, is a deeply contested text; either a 1902 forgery by Alphonse Mingana or, at best, an unreliable sixth-century history that rewrote the early history of the Church of the East to backdate the creation of the institution of the patriarchate and the foundation of the diocese of Erbil. The tradition of Papa's appeal to the West was forged by the Nestorian patriarch Joseph in the sixth century (Bar Hebraeus and others).
The term 'catholicus' only emerged in the second half of the fifth century, and is anachronistic for Papa. Papa was merely bishop of Seleucia-Ctesiphon, and at best primus inter pares. At the synod of Isaac in 410 the bishop of Seleucia-Ctesiphon was called the 'grand metropolitan'.
I'll try to do some work on this article when I have time.
Djwilms ( talk) 07:18, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
- Papa was recognised not as a patriarch, nor even as an archbishop, but merely as the leading bishop of the Persian church. It could scarcely be otherwise, as the church in the Roman empire was not yet organised into the five classic patriarchates that existed in Justinian’s day. Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria and Antioch only became patriarchates in 381 and Jerusalem had to wait until 451 for recognition. Nevertheless, the synod of 315 marked a decisive step forward in the self-definition of the Church of the East. The bishop of Seleucia-Ctesiphon was henceforth recognised by most Persian bishops as the head of their church.
The result of the move request was: Moved. RM opened by a sock. I'm going to boldly call my proposal uncontroversial. Srnec ( talk) 00:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Papa (bishop) → Papa of Seleucia-Ctesiphon – Per notability. Papa Bar Aggai, or Papa, is the first historically attested bishop of Seleucia-Ctesiphon. It is unnecessary to provide a disambiguation here. Logosx127 ( talk) 03:17, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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A lot of this article derives from Wigram, who relied heavily on the recently-published Chronicle of Erbil. The Chronicle of Erbil, allegedly by Mshiha-zkha, is a deeply contested text; either a 1902 forgery by Alphonse Mingana or, at best, an unreliable sixth-century history that rewrote the early history of the Church of the East to backdate the creation of the institution of the patriarchate and the foundation of the diocese of Erbil. The tradition of Papa's appeal to the West was forged by the Nestorian patriarch Joseph in the sixth century (Bar Hebraeus and others).
The term 'catholicus' only emerged in the second half of the fifth century, and is anachronistic for Papa. Papa was merely bishop of Seleucia-Ctesiphon, and at best primus inter pares. At the synod of Isaac in 410 the bishop of Seleucia-Ctesiphon was called the 'grand metropolitan'.
I'll try to do some work on this article when I have time.
Djwilms ( talk) 07:18, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
- Papa was recognised not as a patriarch, nor even as an archbishop, but merely as the leading bishop of the Persian church. It could scarcely be otherwise, as the church in the Roman empire was not yet organised into the five classic patriarchates that existed in Justinian’s day. Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria and Antioch only became patriarchates in 381 and Jerusalem had to wait until 451 for recognition. Nevertheless, the synod of 315 marked a decisive step forward in the self-definition of the Church of the East. The bishop of Seleucia-Ctesiphon was henceforth recognised by most Persian bishops as the head of their church.
The result of the move request was: Moved. RM opened by a sock. I'm going to boldly call my proposal uncontroversial. Srnec ( talk) 00:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Papa (bishop) → Papa of Seleucia-Ctesiphon – Per notability. Papa Bar Aggai, or Papa, is the first historically attested bishop of Seleucia-Ctesiphon. It is unnecessary to provide a disambiguation here. Logosx127 ( talk) 03:17, 18 July 2022 (UTC)