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In regard to this edit In my view an apparently factual statement of the educational institutions attended, degrees earned, and positions held, without adjectives of evaluation ("outstanding" or the like) is not puffery, and is the kind of content normally accepted as unsourced but sourcable. The policy is verifibility, not verification. It is not required that uncontroversial, plausible, effectively routine info be sourced, any more than we routinely source the parents names in a biography article. If such info is challanged and a source is required, this is exactly the sort of thing that a staff list section of a university web site would be a reliable source for. True, such a source is not fully independent. But a major university or other institution has little or no reason to puff up the CVs of its faculty, and considerable to lose it it is know to have done so. For not controversial details, at least, they can be treated as an independent source. DES (talk) DESiegel Contribs 22:41, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
The information under "Professional positions, is incorrect, and is not the same Paolo Casali. References 1, 7, 17, 18 are not the same man as the Italian-American Immunologist that is the Chairman on the Microbiology Department at the University of Texas Health Science Center San Antonio. These references and the information related to them should be removed immediately. Also, additional information regarding Paolo Casali can be located at: ( https://www.harrisandassociates.com/web/z/1/1908/Dr._Paolo_Casali/) ( http://gsbs.uthscsa.edu/faculty/paolo-casali-m.d) ( https://news.uthscsa.edu/immunologist-casali-to-occupy-zachry-distinguished-chair/) ( https://wp.uthscsa.edu/mimg/team-member/paolo-casali-m-d-2/) ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Paolo+Casali) ( https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/blog/2014/05/health-science-center-s-casali-awarded-lupus.html) ( https://bionews-tx.com/news/2013/09/25/immunologist-paolo-casali-to-occupy-university-of-texas-health-science-center-at-san-antonio-zachry-distinguished-chair/)
Also, the first two publication should be updated. They have been published; please see link below: ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=binding+to+switch+region+DSB+ends+to+modulate+immunoglobulin+class+switch+DNA) ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Rab7+inhibitor+impairs+B+cell+class-class+switching+and+plasma+cell+survival+t)
Again, Paolo G. Casali is not the same man as Paolo Casali, to whom this page is referring. The information provided above, and at the very least the photos, should provide evidence enough to remove the incorrect information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.111.82.89 ( talk • contribs) 14:23, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
My name is Paul and I am a colleague of Mr. Casali. I have come here to hopefully help out with the information on this Wikipedia page. First, let me say I see (and have been told) there have been many issues with the article, especially from those who may have conflicting reasons for being here. I have read through those guidelines so I am letting you know that I will not edit the article directly and will instead use this page to talk about content changes. With that in mind, I will be uploading an image in the next day and was wondering if this is something that I can place directly on the article or should I request someone else here do it? Also, I read through the different notices at the top of the page and will be finding better references to propose for the article. -- Meriville ( talk) 03:27, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Can we please add the image at this link ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Paolo_Casali_Photo.jpg) to the main article on Mr. Casali? -- Meriville ( talk) 03:20, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you!! -- Meriville ( talk) 03:32, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
The day I left the first message here, a notice was placed on the article saying that it was editing for payment that was not disclosed. This may have been previously, but I have disclosed my affiliation so I am going to believe it is for the previous editing prior to March. There was also a notice saying that someone with a conflict of interest may have edited the article which is true. My question is what is needed at this point to remove both notices? Jytdog did extensive editing and cleanup of the article back in March. Did those edits suffice the cleanup that is linked from the notices at the top? If not, what other cleanup is required to remove those notices? -- Meriville ( talk) 03:27, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
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The following is a proposed change for the education section of the article. The proposed version eliminates some references and is shorter. I used two of the references that were already in the article but removed three others. I removed some of the information such as the year of his graduation, years of his postgraduate work, and other fine details. While true, they are not supported by the references so they should not be in the article. I know my opinion doesn't matter, but I believe the new version reads less like a LinkedIn profile than the current version and more like an entry I would read in an encyclopedia. -- Meriville ( talk) 00:23, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Current version:
Casali received a degree in medicine and surgery (M.D.) magna cum laude,[1] from the University of Milan in 1974.[3] He completed an internship at the University of Milan’s School of Medicine & Surgery, as well as obtained National Medical Board Certification.[4] Casali holds two specialty diplomas and board certifications from the University of Milan in the fields of allergy and clinical immunology as well as microbiology and virology.[5] From 1977–1978 he completed his postgraduate work at the World Health Organization's (W.H.O.) Immunology Research and Training Centre where, as W.H.O Medical Officer, he was assigned to ALERT medical facility (then named the All-Africa Leprosy Rehabilitation and Training Center) located in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.[6]
Proposed version:
Casali received his degree in medicine and surgery magna cum laude from the University of Milan and served as a resident in the Department of Internal Medicine. [1] His postgraduate education includes research in immunology at the University of Geneva medical school and working as a field officer in Ethiopia with the World Health Organization. [2] Casali holds two specialty diplomas and board certifications from the University of Milan in the fields of Allergy and Clinical Immunology as well as Microbiology and Virology. [1]
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Thanks for the response. You saved me a lot of time by pulling out some of the content as it would likely have taken me weeks to go through everythign before it was determined that it didn't belong. Prior to suggesting additional edits to address the notices at the top of the page, can you tell me if the sources currently in the article are considered reliable? If not, can we remove the ones that are not along with the content they support? I am also wondering if based on the few references that are there if he would even qualify for a page. If he does, then it would make sense to simply cut out everything that is not sourced to a reliable source. If he doesn't, then maybe the page shouldn't exist. Sorry for all the questions. If you can let me know so I know how to proceed here. -- Meriville ( talk) 03:29, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
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Please remove ALL of the content on the article with the exception of the first sentence which reads as follows:
"Paolo Casali is an Italian-American immunologist. He is the Zachry Foundation Distinguished Professor at the Long School of Medicine of the University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio, and chairman of its department of microbiology, immunology and molecular genetics."
Please use this references - https://www.tandfonline.com/action/journalInformation?show=editorialBoard&journalCode=iaut20
This is based on the conversations above about that being the only reliable source in the article. Since all the other information is supported by unreliable sources, I would request it be removed. Once removed, the notices at the top of the page should be satisfied and removed as well. -- Meriville ( talk) 05:44, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
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There is an image currently in Wikimedia Commons that I am requesting to be uploaded to this article. This one was uploaded in 2015 and appears that it can be used. It is at this link - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Casali.jpg Thank you again for your consideration. -- Meriville ( talk) 04:27, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
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More than one major contributor to this article appears to have a close personal or professional connection to the topic, and thus to have a conflict of interest. Conflict-of-interest editors are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly, but are always welcome to propose changes on the talk page (i.e., here). You can attract the attention of other editors by putting {{ request edit}} (exactly so, with the curly parentheses) at the beginning of your request, or by clicking the link on the lowest yellow notice above. Requests that are not supported by independent reliable sources are unlikely to be accepted.
Please also note that our Terms of Use state that "you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation." An editor who contributes as part of his or her paid employment is required to disclose that fact. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 22:14, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
In regard to this edit In my view an apparently factual statement of the educational institutions attended, degrees earned, and positions held, without adjectives of evaluation ("outstanding" or the like) is not puffery, and is the kind of content normally accepted as unsourced but sourcable. The policy is verifibility, not verification. It is not required that uncontroversial, plausible, effectively routine info be sourced, any more than we routinely source the parents names in a biography article. If such info is challanged and a source is required, this is exactly the sort of thing that a staff list section of a university web site would be a reliable source for. True, such a source is not fully independent. But a major university or other institution has little or no reason to puff up the CVs of its faculty, and considerable to lose it it is know to have done so. For not controversial details, at least, they can be treated as an independent source. DES (talk) DESiegel Contribs 22:41, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
The information under "Professional positions, is incorrect, and is not the same Paolo Casali. References 1, 7, 17, 18 are not the same man as the Italian-American Immunologist that is the Chairman on the Microbiology Department at the University of Texas Health Science Center San Antonio. These references and the information related to them should be removed immediately. Also, additional information regarding Paolo Casali can be located at: ( https://www.harrisandassociates.com/web/z/1/1908/Dr._Paolo_Casali/) ( http://gsbs.uthscsa.edu/faculty/paolo-casali-m.d) ( https://news.uthscsa.edu/immunologist-casali-to-occupy-zachry-distinguished-chair/) ( https://wp.uthscsa.edu/mimg/team-member/paolo-casali-m-d-2/) ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Paolo+Casali) ( https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/blog/2014/05/health-science-center-s-casali-awarded-lupus.html) ( https://bionews-tx.com/news/2013/09/25/immunologist-paolo-casali-to-occupy-university-of-texas-health-science-center-at-san-antonio-zachry-distinguished-chair/)
Also, the first two publication should be updated. They have been published; please see link below: ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=binding+to+switch+region+DSB+ends+to+modulate+immunoglobulin+class+switch+DNA) ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Rab7+inhibitor+impairs+B+cell+class-class+switching+and+plasma+cell+survival+t)
Again, Paolo G. Casali is not the same man as Paolo Casali, to whom this page is referring. The information provided above, and at the very least the photos, should provide evidence enough to remove the incorrect information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.111.82.89 ( talk • contribs) 14:23, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
My name is Paul and I am a colleague of Mr. Casali. I have come here to hopefully help out with the information on this Wikipedia page. First, let me say I see (and have been told) there have been many issues with the article, especially from those who may have conflicting reasons for being here. I have read through those guidelines so I am letting you know that I will not edit the article directly and will instead use this page to talk about content changes. With that in mind, I will be uploading an image in the next day and was wondering if this is something that I can place directly on the article or should I request someone else here do it? Also, I read through the different notices at the top of the page and will be finding better references to propose for the article. -- Meriville ( talk) 03:27, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Can we please add the image at this link ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Paolo_Casali_Photo.jpg) to the main article on Mr. Casali? -- Meriville ( talk) 03:20, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you!! -- Meriville ( talk) 03:32, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
The day I left the first message here, a notice was placed on the article saying that it was editing for payment that was not disclosed. This may have been previously, but I have disclosed my affiliation so I am going to believe it is for the previous editing prior to March. There was also a notice saying that someone with a conflict of interest may have edited the article which is true. My question is what is needed at this point to remove both notices? Jytdog did extensive editing and cleanup of the article back in March. Did those edits suffice the cleanup that is linked from the notices at the top? If not, what other cleanup is required to remove those notices? -- Meriville ( talk) 03:27, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. Please see below. |
The following is a proposed change for the education section of the article. The proposed version eliminates some references and is shorter. I used two of the references that were already in the article but removed three others. I removed some of the information such as the year of his graduation, years of his postgraduate work, and other fine details. While true, they are not supported by the references so they should not be in the article. I know my opinion doesn't matter, but I believe the new version reads less like a LinkedIn profile than the current version and more like an entry I would read in an encyclopedia. -- Meriville ( talk) 00:23, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Current version:
Casali received a degree in medicine and surgery (M.D.) magna cum laude,[1] from the University of Milan in 1974.[3] He completed an internship at the University of Milan’s School of Medicine & Surgery, as well as obtained National Medical Board Certification.[4] Casali holds two specialty diplomas and board certifications from the University of Milan in the fields of allergy and clinical immunology as well as microbiology and virology.[5] From 1977–1978 he completed his postgraduate work at the World Health Organization's (W.H.O.) Immunology Research and Training Centre where, as W.H.O Medical Officer, he was assigned to ALERT medical facility (then named the All-Africa Leprosy Rehabilitation and Training Center) located in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.[6]
Proposed version:
Casali received his degree in medicine and surgery magna cum laude from the University of Milan and served as a resident in the Department of Internal Medicine. [1] His postgraduate education includes research in immunology at the University of Geneva medical school and working as a field officer in Ethiopia with the World Health Organization. [2] Casali holds two specialty diplomas and board certifications from the University of Milan in the fields of Allergy and Clinical Immunology as well as Microbiology and Virology. [1]
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Comments and questions
Thanks for the response. You saved me a lot of time by pulling out some of the content as it would likely have taken me weeks to go through everythign before it was determined that it didn't belong. Prior to suggesting additional edits to address the notices at the top of the page, can you tell me if the sources currently in the article are considered reliable? If not, can we remove the ones that are not along with the content they support? I am also wondering if based on the few references that are there if he would even qualify for a page. If he does, then it would make sense to simply cut out everything that is not sourced to a reliable source. If he doesn't, then maybe the page shouldn't exist. Sorry for all the questions. If you can let me know so I know how to proceed here. -- Meriville ( talk) 03:29, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. The media file has been nominated for deletion. |
X | Y | Z |
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A verbatim description of old text coming out of the article. | A verbatim description of new text going into the article. | A reference which verifies the change. |
Please feel free to open a new edit request which makes use of the three elements shown above at your earliest convenience.
Regards,
spintendo
09:32, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered. |
Please remove ALL of the content on the article with the exception of the first sentence which reads as follows:
"Paolo Casali is an Italian-American immunologist. He is the Zachry Foundation Distinguished Professor at the Long School of Medicine of the University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio, and chairman of its department of microbiology, immunology and molecular genetics."
Please use this references - https://www.tandfonline.com/action/journalInformation?show=editorialBoard&journalCode=iaut20
This is based on the conversations above about that being the only reliable source in the article. Since all the other information is supported by unreliable sources, I would request it be removed. Once removed, the notices at the top of the page should be satisfied and removed as well. -- Meriville ( talk) 05:44, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered. |
There is an image currently in Wikimedia Commons that I am requesting to be uploaded to this article. This one was uploaded in 2015 and appears that it can be used. It is at this link - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Casali.jpg Thank you again for your consideration. -- Meriville ( talk) 04:27, 14 July 2018 (UTC)