Pannonian, the Hungarian collocation Kárpát-medence (Carpathian Basin) is the exact equivalent for the collocation Pannonian Plain, therefore these two articles should be merged. The Hungarian name is also used in older Slovak texts as the old name for the Pannonian Plain. Maybe you are confused by the fact that it is called "plain" in English while it is a basin in all the other languages, but that's just a tradition. Juro 20:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure are you correct here - I will make some research and then some things would be perhaps more clear. Basically, we have to find exact definition of the terms:
When we find exact definitions, then we can say do we speak about 3 different regions or about 2 (i.e. if Pannonian plain is same as Great Alföld or as Pannonian Basin).
So, let first find some sources and then we will analyze them:
I will continue research latter, but you can also present what your sources say about this. PANONIAN (talk) 09:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, I found this:
So, these sites claim that Pannonian Plain is indeed same as Great Hungarian Plain. Now, I believe we should do the following:
Do you agree with this? PANONIAN (talk) 11:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I do not have much time right now (I recommend you to use google book search for this, I remember having found there a professional encyclopaedia for these "units" months ago: Encyclopedia of European and Asian Regional Geology), but I definitely think that we should not move Great Hungarian Plain to Pannonian Plain for an ENGLISH text, because I am quite sure that Pannonian Plain (Pannonische Tiefebene in German) is also used for western Slovakia and that is Little Alfold. Personally, I think it is the same only in Serbian/Croatian texts. Also, Britannica uses Great Alfold. The problem with your quotes is that as far as I remember, the part of the Pannonian Basin situated in ex-Yugoslavia is only the Great Hungarian Plain, therefore it is very easy to confuse those two terms for the territory of ex-Yugoslavia, i.e. the Pannonian Plain is always the Great Hungarian Plain there (if we ignore the hills). I would keep the name Great Hungarian Plain and make a disambiguation for Pannonian Plain, which would say something like Pannonian Plain = a) plane parts of the Basin or loosely = Pannonian Basin b) esp. in ex-Yugoslavia: Great Hungarian Plain only. The rest you have changed seems to be OK. Juro 15:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
P.S.: And to increase the confusion :): see [1] Juro 16:48, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
While I'm not attacking the text (haven't had time to read it), a map of the area would be very helpful. Larklight 09:40, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Especially the part about how Hungarians call the territory between Carpathians and Transylvania. That's irrelevant, this is the English Wikipedia, Hungary doesn't even have those territories anymore so it's pretty irrelevant how they call them, it's like Turkey naming part of Greek territory. That's highly offensive, using imperial names for territories that are no longer under the occupation of that country. To understand this concept think about Hungarian city names presented in Wikipedia with Turkish or Austrian names when there's a Hungarian and most importantly an English name for them (if the English name is derived from a foreign name is more tricky, but this is not the case here).
Also, even if we assumed this refers to Hungarian territory, it would still be an unwarranted presentation because Wikipedia doesn't present things from the POV of the subject, basically it's irrelevant how Hungarians call the territory, that shouldn't be presented from the Hungarian POV, it should be presented using English names and from the English geographic literature POV -- which to my knowledge doesn't include Transylvania into the Pannonian Basin. 70.108.110.55 ( talk) 23:18, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
There is no such thing as a "Carpathian basin" only Carpathian mountain range,its got none of the geological or "Artistic" attributes to make it a basin+the lower lands are on the eastern side of the Carpathians(Moldova and Wallachia regions of Romania actually forming a structural basin),you really suck at geography.
Pannonian, the Hungarian collocation Kárpát-medence (Carpathian Basin) is the exact equivalent for the collocation Pannonian Plain, therefore these two articles should be merged. The Hungarian name is also used in older Slovak texts as the old name for the Pannonian Plain. Maybe you are confused by the fact that it is called "plain" in English while it is a basin in all the other languages, but that's just a tradition. Juro 20:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure are you correct here - I will make some research and then some things would be perhaps more clear. Basically, we have to find exact definition of the terms:
When we find exact definitions, then we can say do we speak about 3 different regions or about 2 (i.e. if Pannonian plain is same as Great Alföld or as Pannonian Basin).
So, let first find some sources and then we will analyze them:
I will continue research latter, but you can also present what your sources say about this. PANONIAN (talk) 09:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, I found this:
So, these sites claim that Pannonian Plain is indeed same as Great Hungarian Plain. Now, I believe we should do the following:
Do you agree with this? PANONIAN (talk) 11:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I do not have much time right now (I recommend you to use google book search for this, I remember having found there a professional encyclopaedia for these "units" months ago: Encyclopedia of European and Asian Regional Geology), but I definitely think that we should not move Great Hungarian Plain to Pannonian Plain for an ENGLISH text, because I am quite sure that Pannonian Plain (Pannonische Tiefebene in German) is also used for western Slovakia and that is Little Alfold. Personally, I think it is the same only in Serbian/Croatian texts. Also, Britannica uses Great Alfold. The problem with your quotes is that as far as I remember, the part of the Pannonian Basin situated in ex-Yugoslavia is only the Great Hungarian Plain, therefore it is very easy to confuse those two terms for the territory of ex-Yugoslavia, i.e. the Pannonian Plain is always the Great Hungarian Plain there (if we ignore the hills). I would keep the name Great Hungarian Plain and make a disambiguation for Pannonian Plain, which would say something like Pannonian Plain = a) plane parts of the Basin or loosely = Pannonian Basin b) esp. in ex-Yugoslavia: Great Hungarian Plain only. The rest you have changed seems to be OK. Juro 15:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
P.S.: And to increase the confusion :): see [1] Juro 16:48, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
While I'm not attacking the text (haven't had time to read it), a map of the area would be very helpful. Larklight 09:40, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Especially the part about how Hungarians call the territory between Carpathians and Transylvania. That's irrelevant, this is the English Wikipedia, Hungary doesn't even have those territories anymore so it's pretty irrelevant how they call them, it's like Turkey naming part of Greek territory. That's highly offensive, using imperial names for territories that are no longer under the occupation of that country. To understand this concept think about Hungarian city names presented in Wikipedia with Turkish or Austrian names when there's a Hungarian and most importantly an English name for them (if the English name is derived from a foreign name is more tricky, but this is not the case here).
Also, even if we assumed this refers to Hungarian territory, it would still be an unwarranted presentation because Wikipedia doesn't present things from the POV of the subject, basically it's irrelevant how Hungarians call the territory, that shouldn't be presented from the Hungarian POV, it should be presented using English names and from the English geographic literature POV -- which to my knowledge doesn't include Transylvania into the Pannonian Basin. 70.108.110.55 ( talk) 23:18, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
There is no such thing as a "Carpathian basin" only Carpathian mountain range,its got none of the geological or "Artistic" attributes to make it a basin+the lower lands are on the eastern side of the Carpathians(Moldova and Wallachia regions of Romania actually forming a structural basin),you really suck at geography.