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This should be merged to Jenny Hocking. There is no need to have an entire article about this case.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 05:43, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Comment: There is clear consensus against the merge, even discounting the fact that Thejoebloggsblog has decided to "vote" twice. I don't understand the logic of "waiting" when the article has already been creation, but there's no point in continuing this "discussion", so I've decided to close it.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 01:39, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
The title is not specific enough. Which palace? Which letters? The article is not neutral. It is written from the point of view of Hocking and Whitlam, and uses Hocking as a source. It's not true to say "When Gough Whitlam became the Prime Minister of Australia he quickly....replaced God Save the Queen with the current Australian national anthem" - see the article Advance Australia Fair. And this and several other statements are of very questionable relevance.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 05:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
I question this. When the Queen communicates with her Australian governor-general or her Australian ministers, she does so as the Queen of Australia, not the Queen of the UK. Any decisions she may have taken or may yet take in relation to these letters, regardless of which of her personal staff advised her, are decisions of the Queen of Australia. British control does not enter into the matter.
I can't access the source (The Australian) but I think the journalist was just being sensationalist. Should a recognised authority on Australian constitutional affairs back up the claim, I would naturally withdraw my objection. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 05:33, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Here are some reactions to the release, which I note here although won't yet add any reactions into the article since nobody has yet had time to look at many of the letters. Please feel free to add to this list: ( Errantius ( talk) 14:05, 14 July 2020 (UTC); additions Errantius ( talk) 01:47, 15 July 2020 (UTC) Errantius ( talk) 21:31, 15 July 2020 (UTC))
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This letter (in the book by Kelly and Bramston) raises at least three issues: (1) why this letter was not in the original Palace Letters collection; (2) what else may have been omitted from that collection, by error or design; and (3) Charles's suitability and/or acceptability as King of Australia. The book by Kelly and Bramston will also reproduce a lengthy reflection by Kerr on his close relationship with Charles.
Can we reassess the status of the article now that the letters have been released, and they don't seem to have any earth-shattering information?-- Jack Upland ( talk) 08:38, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
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This should be merged to Jenny Hocking. There is no need to have an entire article about this case.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 05:43, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Comment: There is clear consensus against the merge, even discounting the fact that Thejoebloggsblog has decided to "vote" twice. I don't understand the logic of "waiting" when the article has already been creation, but there's no point in continuing this "discussion", so I've decided to close it.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 01:39, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
The title is not specific enough. Which palace? Which letters? The article is not neutral. It is written from the point of view of Hocking and Whitlam, and uses Hocking as a source. It's not true to say "When Gough Whitlam became the Prime Minister of Australia he quickly....replaced God Save the Queen with the current Australian national anthem" - see the article Advance Australia Fair. And this and several other statements are of very questionable relevance.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 05:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
I question this. When the Queen communicates with her Australian governor-general or her Australian ministers, she does so as the Queen of Australia, not the Queen of the UK. Any decisions she may have taken or may yet take in relation to these letters, regardless of which of her personal staff advised her, are decisions of the Queen of Australia. British control does not enter into the matter.
I can't access the source (The Australian) but I think the journalist was just being sensationalist. Should a recognised authority on Australian constitutional affairs back up the claim, I would naturally withdraw my objection. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 05:33, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Here are some reactions to the release, which I note here although won't yet add any reactions into the article since nobody has yet had time to look at many of the letters. Please feel free to add to this list: ( Errantius ( talk) 14:05, 14 July 2020 (UTC); additions Errantius ( talk) 01:47, 15 July 2020 (UTC) Errantius ( talk) 21:31, 15 July 2020 (UTC))
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This letter (in the book by Kelly and Bramston) raises at least three issues: (1) why this letter was not in the original Palace Letters collection; (2) what else may have been omitted from that collection, by error or design; and (3) Charles's suitability and/or acceptability as King of Australia. The book by Kelly and Bramston will also reproduce a lengthy reflection by Kerr on his close relationship with Charles.
Can we reassess the status of the article now that the letters have been released, and they don't seem to have any earth-shattering information?-- Jack Upland ( talk) 08:38, 6 August 2020 (UTC)