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PFLAG's history page [1] has the banner slogan as "We Love Our Gay Children."
Also I'd like to add back in the Queens Chapter under here (1st major LGBT Groups to name a award after an out Bisexual person), it's important in the Bisexual part of modern LGBT history).
Are there any other noteable chapters? Such as what was the first chapeter, etc. All help and answers cheerfully accepted. CyntWorkStuff 06:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Without slapping a million flags on this article, I'll just write that it is poorly written, sourced, and doesn't even really tell me what PFLAG is or what it does as if inherently everyone in the world has common knowledge of it. This might as well be moved to Wikidictionary as a definition for the acronym PFLAG. It also doesn't talk about PFLAG action and controversy in terms of its control over its own chapters and its chapters' activities in their communities. The study of such organizations like P-FLAG is frequently written about in scholarly fields and in newspaper articles. 75.72.162.175 07:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Is PFOX really an opposition group to PFLAG? It seems like it has its own mission, apart from PFLAG. I'm fixing it, unless there is some source that PFLAG's "popularity triggered creation of an opposition group, PFOX." -- Knulclunk ( talk) 03:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Excellent reporting. I think everything that you added is good, except the opinion that PFOX was founded as a counter to PFLAG; this is the section that came from:
Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays admitted to a certain satisfaction about the chaos and hostility between the anti-Gay groups, especially considering, she said, that P-FOX was founded as a counter to P-FLAG. She added that she’s not surprised by current events. "When you try to build something on a foundation of fear and ignorance, I don’t believe it’s going to be lasting," she said of "ex-Gay" ministries.
Hardly a source. It would be better to have reporting that uncovers or a press statement that confirms PFOX's opposition to PFLAG. -- Knulclunk ( talk) 13:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Better.... -- Knulclunk ( talk) 14:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Why is PFOX even discussed in this article? PFOX has its own entry, and that organization's mission, goals, etc. should be discussed there and not in this article. This section should focus on controversies or debates involving both groups. Less discussion of PFOX itself is warranted.-- S trinitrotoluene ( talk) 13:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Here's the text of I letter I just sent to PFLAG's national office:
I'm editing the Wikipedia PFLAG page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents,_Families_and_Friends_of_Lesbians_and_Gays
and want to document the fact that the acronym once was styled "P-FLAG". I've found nothing about this in the various history pages on PFLAG's website, other than a photo (pasted at bottom) of a banner at
http://community.pflag.org/Page.aspx?pid=279
I've inserted this URL as Ref 3 to the paragraph reading:
<<< The acronym PFLAG is pronounced as P-FLAG [piːflæg], and was once officially styled in that manner.[3] >>>
And I also put in "Redirects" in case a searcher looks for "P-FLAG".
The hyphen went away around the mid-1990's at the time the logo was revised to incorporate some horizontal stripes. And had they asked me I would have voted "no" for pronounceability reasons. (Several times I have had people look at my name tag and say "What's Pflouggh?")
Anyway, the "P-FLAG" rendition is part of PFLAG's history and I think ought to be documented somewhere in the two History pages on the PFLAG website. The boilerplate states that PFLAG is a registered trademark or service mark; I bet P-FLAG still is also. Just for kicks I checked IBM's official website. In the History portion for the year 1924 it states:
<<< The Computing- Tabulating- Recording Co. is renamed International Business Machines Corporation (IBM). >>>
and the IBM history pages prior to 1924 use only the then-applicable name. A case can be made that PFLAG's history pages ought to follow the same model.
In any event, I would appreciate it if you could send me a publicly searchable reference (ideally, an updated version of the history pages mentioned above) of the old style for the Wiki page -- something more official looking than that banner. And if you can confirm the date of switchover I'll note that on the History page on the Wiki site.
PS: I actually may have been in the cropped part of that photo, because attended both the National convention in Arlington and participated in PFLAG-Houston's "Mother's March on Washington" about that time, and was in at least one official group photo on the capitol steps.
Irv ( talk) 02:48, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your email. The hyphen was removed from the PFLAG acronym in 1993. I hope that’s helpful. If you need anything else, just let me know.
Thanks again,
Steve Ralls
Director of Communications
Voice: (202) 467-8180 ext. 214
Fax: (202) 467-8194
Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) National1726 M Street, NW
Suite 400
Washington, D.C. 20036
www.pflag.org
I had heard a while ago (more than a decade ago) that PFLAG stood for Proud Friends of Lesbians and Gays. Was this also an acceptable and official acronym for the organization, or did someone make that up randomly? biancasimone ( talk) 09:11, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
As of this year, the organization has gone from fully calling out its name to the acronym only, in order to represent its full inclusion of bisexual and transgender people. What is the best way to designate that, given the title of the article is the spell out? Pflagnational ( talk) 19:35, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
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PFLAG's history page [1] has the banner slogan as "We Love Our Gay Children."
Also I'd like to add back in the Queens Chapter under here (1st major LGBT Groups to name a award after an out Bisexual person), it's important in the Bisexual part of modern LGBT history).
Are there any other noteable chapters? Such as what was the first chapeter, etc. All help and answers cheerfully accepted. CyntWorkStuff 06:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Without slapping a million flags on this article, I'll just write that it is poorly written, sourced, and doesn't even really tell me what PFLAG is or what it does as if inherently everyone in the world has common knowledge of it. This might as well be moved to Wikidictionary as a definition for the acronym PFLAG. It also doesn't talk about PFLAG action and controversy in terms of its control over its own chapters and its chapters' activities in their communities. The study of such organizations like P-FLAG is frequently written about in scholarly fields and in newspaper articles. 75.72.162.175 07:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Is PFOX really an opposition group to PFLAG? It seems like it has its own mission, apart from PFLAG. I'm fixing it, unless there is some source that PFLAG's "popularity triggered creation of an opposition group, PFOX." -- Knulclunk ( talk) 03:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Excellent reporting. I think everything that you added is good, except the opinion that PFOX was founded as a counter to PFLAG; this is the section that came from:
Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays admitted to a certain satisfaction about the chaos and hostility between the anti-Gay groups, especially considering, she said, that P-FOX was founded as a counter to P-FLAG. She added that she’s not surprised by current events. "When you try to build something on a foundation of fear and ignorance, I don’t believe it’s going to be lasting," she said of "ex-Gay" ministries.
Hardly a source. It would be better to have reporting that uncovers or a press statement that confirms PFOX's opposition to PFLAG. -- Knulclunk ( talk) 13:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Better.... -- Knulclunk ( talk) 14:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Why is PFOX even discussed in this article? PFOX has its own entry, and that organization's mission, goals, etc. should be discussed there and not in this article. This section should focus on controversies or debates involving both groups. Less discussion of PFOX itself is warranted.-- S trinitrotoluene ( talk) 13:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Here's the text of I letter I just sent to PFLAG's national office:
I'm editing the Wikipedia PFLAG page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents,_Families_and_Friends_of_Lesbians_and_Gays
and want to document the fact that the acronym once was styled "P-FLAG". I've found nothing about this in the various history pages on PFLAG's website, other than a photo (pasted at bottom) of a banner at
http://community.pflag.org/Page.aspx?pid=279
I've inserted this URL as Ref 3 to the paragraph reading:
<<< The acronym PFLAG is pronounced as P-FLAG [piːflæg], and was once officially styled in that manner.[3] >>>
And I also put in "Redirects" in case a searcher looks for "P-FLAG".
The hyphen went away around the mid-1990's at the time the logo was revised to incorporate some horizontal stripes. And had they asked me I would have voted "no" for pronounceability reasons. (Several times I have had people look at my name tag and say "What's Pflouggh?")
Anyway, the "P-FLAG" rendition is part of PFLAG's history and I think ought to be documented somewhere in the two History pages on the PFLAG website. The boilerplate states that PFLAG is a registered trademark or service mark; I bet P-FLAG still is also. Just for kicks I checked IBM's official website. In the History portion for the year 1924 it states:
<<< The Computing- Tabulating- Recording Co. is renamed International Business Machines Corporation (IBM). >>>
and the IBM history pages prior to 1924 use only the then-applicable name. A case can be made that PFLAG's history pages ought to follow the same model.
In any event, I would appreciate it if you could send me a publicly searchable reference (ideally, an updated version of the history pages mentioned above) of the old style for the Wiki page -- something more official looking than that banner. And if you can confirm the date of switchover I'll note that on the History page on the Wiki site.
PS: I actually may have been in the cropped part of that photo, because attended both the National convention in Arlington and participated in PFLAG-Houston's "Mother's March on Washington" about that time, and was in at least one official group photo on the capitol steps.
Irv ( talk) 02:48, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your email. The hyphen was removed from the PFLAG acronym in 1993. I hope that’s helpful. If you need anything else, just let me know.
Thanks again,
Steve Ralls
Director of Communications
Voice: (202) 467-8180 ext. 214
Fax: (202) 467-8194
Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) National1726 M Street, NW
Suite 400
Washington, D.C. 20036
www.pflag.org
I had heard a while ago (more than a decade ago) that PFLAG stood for Proud Friends of Lesbians and Gays. Was this also an acceptable and official acronym for the organization, or did someone make that up randomly? biancasimone ( talk) 09:11, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
As of this year, the organization has gone from fully calling out its name to the acronym only, in order to represent its full inclusion of bisexual and transgender people. What is the best way to designate that, given the title of the article is the spell out? Pflagnational ( talk) 19:35, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to 2 external links on
PFLAG. Please take a moment to review
my edit. If necessary, add {{
cbignore}}
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